This will be the last time I say it; Take the "when is the hack database coming" comments, snipes, questions and answers out of this thread please...

This thread only requires your comment on the current layout of the current 3.0 and 3.5 forum layouts, nothing else...

Also - Regs, please stop trying to push staff into your arguements by badmouthing or criticising us; It won't help your view of the arguement or you any, and will just make us less inclined to listen to what you and the people on your side have to say, since all we get is mostly abuse and criticism from you...

If you want to start up a "Hack database" thread, by all means, go ahead and do it, but stop polluting this and other threads with that same arguement over and over...

Chris

The staff is doing quite well pushing themselves into these arguements but whatever.

And Chris M, you brought any "abuse" from me on yourself. I've tried to be helpful in the past and you were an ++++ about it.

Now to the topic at hand... how do you figure that talk of the hack database in this thread is not relevant?!?!?

Goodness if that didn't give me the giggles. Way to give me my daily laugh.

Meanwhile, based on the poll, seems 2 out of 3 users like the way the hacks are classified in 3.0. Majority rules?

Please don't swear...

Secondly I was talking about the Staff as a whole, since you have attacked other staff members in this thread prior to your outburst against me...

Thirdly, regardless of how you view yourself or me, that may not be my take on the situation, or that of others - As far as I remember and can be bothered to look into, you have been trying to cause arguements and trouble for a while now - I simply asked you to stop, but if you choose to continue in this way it will be your problem in the long run...

I figure that talking about the hack database is irrelevant, because once again, this thread is about the difference in forum layout between 3.5 and 3.0 - We could have set up the 3.5 forums the same way as 3.0 but we didn't - The question here is which way do you prefer; It being categorised into plugins, extensions and code mods, or into the "forumhome enhancements" etc 3.0 system...

Chris

Well at least we know how valued our views are now ;) I don't actually recall saying it would go my way (whatever "it" is) but despite your OTT rants, I'm not going to stop voicing my views just because you don't like them. :)

Forum enhancements is a more logical choice as it would seem to make more sense for, what I assume to be, the majority of Jelsoft customers - non-coders. With the search feature here not up to snuff, one needs to do the best they can to make the generous offerings here easy to find.

As for swearing, you've got to be kidding me? If you need to go in and edit my post and not let the forums filter do it's job, then you are being extremely selective, don't you think?

For those at home, the word Chris M decided to take issue with is a-r-s-e.

Veiled threats of banning?!?!? Jesus H Christ!

Since not all swear words are blocked out by the incomplete filter, and some people take offence (myself included) to that word, I felt it was appropriate to filter it out manually... It has nothing to do with being selective...

Chris

You're such a fanny-bottom.

:rolleyes:

That would be noble, only:
It seems that the structure isn't going to change until the hack database comes. Unless that's not an official statement somehow.

My argument is that the hack database SHOULD be taken out of the equation since it is NOT coming soon. On that basis, 2/3rds of voters so far seem to prefer the 3.0 system.

Unless I'm reading it wrong, the actual vote seems to be 24/11 in favour of the 3.0 system. I prefer hacks classified into what they do, rather than how they do it, which is the 3.0 way. :)

on my side, i would prefer seeing the site itself updated to 3.5.x, and the hacks database updated later...

the goal of 3.5 was to add flexibility to plug any kind of external source to vb... if that hacks database is the reflect of that feature, why would it be complicated to be installed later?

i know that the vb guys want to upgrade only once, that's why i'm ok with that situation... i'm acting the same way.. my new community is not opened yet because some features are not up-to-date yet... the site will open when i'm ok with everything, that makes it undefinitively closed.. lol

i don't think that these votes would make things changes anyway... the poll was not called by the administration, and so have no power on things to be... democratic actions are not made by individuals, but by the entire community.

Another thought here is if the 3.5 section were setup like the 3.0 only you could cassify it when posting the mod. Say they are posting the mod they could have a dropdown that says something like:
Plugin
Extension
Code

Then that would show up like:
[Plugin] modofication name only in the same way it currently is in the 3.0 section.

Just thinking out loud :)

^ ^
you've touched on some features of the hacks database there.

A point loses some validity when it is made so long after the fact.

It's been implied my moderators for quite some time now. But still, the message doesn't get through.

Quite an assumption you've made there. After all this time, progress on it has actually occured. (zomg)

And this one thread is hardly represents the whole community. Not by far.

What I like in the 3.5 classification:
-Easier to find hacks that don't modify code
-Easier to find in which forum to release a hack

What I don't like:
-I don't find the separation between Extensions and plugins useful. Both don't modfy files, so what's the difference? FTP access? Is there an admin out there with no FTP access?
-I would like some classification about the purpose of the hack, like in 3.0 modifications, but definately combined with a separation based on whether it has code modifications or not. The best IMHO would be some thing like:
Template Mods
-Template mod Category 1
-Template mod Category 2
-Template mod Category 3
...etc
File modifications
-File modifications Category 1
-File modifications Category 2
-File modifications Category 3
...etc
Hacks w/o file mods
-Hacks w/o file mods Category 1
-Hacks w/o file mods Category 2
-Hacks w/o file mods Category 3
...etc

Just think of how many forums that would take up...

That, plus it means we have to move things, and then get people confused about where to find things and everything else that is associated with changing it...

Honestly, there is no point in changing the forum structure yet - Just rest assured that all will be completed soon ;)

Chris

I didn't imply that the subcategories should be as analytic as in the 3.0 forum. What I'm suggesting is the φ* of both.

*search google for that the number phi ( φ ) means in maths :p , I didn't know the term in english :P Something like the "golden cut"? :confused:

Golden Ratio :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio

Oh yes! Correct! :o

really intopic.. lol...

Hindsight is always 20/20.

The reason the grouping was changed with the 3.5.x forums was due to the major changes that where going to happen within the community once it was released. From the days of 1.x - 3.0.x the methods we used to hack vBulletin stayed mostly the same, in 3.5.x we were all introduced to plug-ins and the product manager. The forums were laid out so plug-ins and code hacks were separate in an attempt to promote using the plug-in system.

Here we are months later and plug-ins are well understood by most, so I agree that the grouping is now obsolete. But I also think the grouping did help nudge people towards working with the plug-in system, so I don't think it was a failure.

We also get complaints about the grouping used for 2.x/3.0.x modifications, mainly from coders who don't know were they should place their modification (some do apply to multiple forums).

Personally i agree that with the advent of vBulletin 3.5.X bringing forth the newly christened plugin system rendering file edits and other code modifications archaic that it was probally better to help deviate between the different sorts of modifications avaiable to users to make efficient use of. But i now that the userbase as a whole have become more accustomed with the different variations of modification types it would be probally more purposeful to occupy the same forum layout hierachy as the previous vBulletin version modification forums occupy.

As previously mentioned somewhere in this thread, and the uncoherant, and unneccessary rants it would probally is probally plausible and recommended for a sort of Thread Category system to be adopted within the individual subforum modification categorizations - therefore we are combining the differeniation of the plugin/extention/code modification system with the organisational aspect which the vBulletin 3.0.X provides.

EDIT:

Also, being a member of the InvisionFree free forum host community i can completely resonate with the anguish that perhaps members of this community are feeling with regards to the lack of apparant developments for upgrading vb.org and its hack and database system, in linking with InvisionFree, they where in working on the development of a new forum software system to help incorperate IPB 2.0 into their previously modified IPB 1.3 without encurring any lawsuits due to their policy changes - and what the members of the community often requested was some sort of demo, or perhaps even a screenshot of how the new forum software would look and function. Perhaps this could be applied here? Some sort of demo forum which members could individually make of and help iron bugs of the system which would be of course much more stringent than a small niche selection of vb.org staff working through them.