At the end of the day vBSEO own the right, so they can decide what they don't want there product used for. And you could argue this proves it not all about money for him. Otherwise the morals would have gone out the window and you would now own a vBSEO license.

I could be wrong, but I think he also refused to sell a license also to well know file sharing vbulletin site also based on morals

For those who are saying 'its against the law' or 'it`s not against the law' or 'it`s violating rights' etc etc, here`s the facts behind this.

Whether on the net, the high street, a service, a product phisical item or otherwise, this falls under the catagory of contractual law. For those who have studied accountancy, this should already be known.


VBSEO is not offering there service in any way shape or form in the eyes of hte law. What they are doing is an 'invitation to treat' meaning they are inviting others to make an offer on there product, and also showing a price in which they feel is reasonable for this product. When you make the offer, this is a contract offer, and they have the right to either accept, or decline that offer. If they accept, then they are bound by contractual law. If they decline (as they have done in this case), they they are not bound by any contract, and therefore can refuse to give you the product at the amount you have offered.

Basically they do have the right to say 'we ain`t gonna sell it to you'.

For my sins I am an accountant LOL .. had to learn all this borin rubbish :)

Lets not make this some politicaly debate :nervous: Though I strongly disagree with the decision and price of VBSEO, they have the right to deny anyones purchase as they own the software. Even as forum owners, we have the right to deny anyone a membership to our forums. Its the same thing to me.

I'm mixed about the topic,...

HR3rdGen said that as a Christian he wouldn't sell lthe script to the site in question either... we'll hypothetically speaking, what happens when the arguement is changed to:

- I wont sell you the script because your a non-christian / believe in something else
- You are Black / White / Purple

Because I own VBSEO and get tired of people bashing it when they don't use it and have never seen how it works ;)

I like the program, so I defend my purchase of it.

Good enough?

How many times are you going to ask this question? Seriously! How many times do I have to tell you I am nothing more than someone that likes the software and I am defending it because I purchased it and love it.

Would you please stop trolling my posts and asking the same questions over again? You bring nothing to this conversation.

Look who is talking! Your in this thread! You are always speaking up when I say something. Give me a break!

Your site will get indexed with dynamic urls. It doesn't take a genious to figure that out guy.

See you want to know why I am in these threads. The same reason you are always in these threads complaining about the price. You give your opinion I give mine.

I am pretty sure people have bought vBulletin and not liked it too. Your arguement holds no water.

What do you we have to make you understand?!?! It is quiet simple. The owner of VBSEO does not wish to have his name associated with Porn and other illegal activities or activiites that are against his beliefs.

Marijuana is not legal on a Federal level. Period.

Thank you :)

Errr...what? It wasn't an argument just trying to find the man a way to get vbSEO without the owners moral/legal/whatever opinions standing in his way.

I understand what you meant now. No there is no reselling vbseo without them knowing it. You must still contact them and register your license with them.

Impossible..it uses a database check on the site it's installed on which send the URL info to their online db. So no matter how they try to get around it, the content will be found, the person will be refunded (or possibly not, for breaking the EULA), and the host will be contacted if the script is not removed.

It only contacts VBSEO database when there is no license key in your config file. If you download the software from VBSEO itself the license key is already inside your config file and no call to home will exist.

Any business can refuse you service for any reason. Don't get me wrong, they can't go around saying 'We won't sell you x because you're black/mexican/white/etc' but they can refuse you service because you 'look funny' or they don't agree with certain things you do (in this case smoking/running a site about cannabis).

Compare it to a glass blower. I'm sure if he gets an order from a DEA agent for a glass bong that he isn't going to make it because the buyer is a 'pig'. Same thing.

Unless there offering him 200 grand for the bong. :rolleyes:

So you are saying if I go into Best Buy wearing a marijuana t-shirt or if I "look funny" then they can refuse to sell me their products? Technically we all can do whatever we want to do...it's just sad that some have to force their beliefs/opinions on others and discriminate to do so. And for the record the vBSeo servers are in New Jersey and therefore business is conducted in the US. Don't get me wrong everyone brings up great points..I just like to throw my 2 cents in :)

Yes but that is a chain store, so you don't see it often. Now if you walk into a local mom-and-pops store with a pot leaf on your t-shirt and smelling like a burned joint. The owner has every right to send you back out the door (and they will). I've seen it done before, and I can't tell you how many times I've seen the law remove someone from a store because they wouldn't leave at the owner's request.

However morally wrong this may seem, this is actually the case. The person/company/site is under no obligation to sell you the product/service and can actually refuse to do so without even an explaination.

Whats sad about it?...no one is forcing you to buy anything. Personally I can't understand the attitude that says "you have to sell to me cause I say so":ermm:

Who's morals? The porn pedeler's? The drug addict's?

Like marijuana or not, it's illegal - and thats why they denied you. You can't be stupid enough to not know that. Just because you like it, doesn't mean you can use it. If you like to rape people, does that mean you can create a website about it and expect companies to support you? NO! it's ILLEGAL! duhhhhh

If you read the post properly, you will see I was replying to the fact that someone can be discriminated against on the ground that they "look funny" in the same way that someone can not sell you something because of the colour of skin. I believe in the eyes of anyone who is not racist, this would be considered imoral?

If I where a tshirt with marajuana on it, am I a drug addict?

sorry, misunderstood you. I agree there are times when it's discrimination and when that's the case, it's wrong. But on the other hand, I suppose you could say my rules discriminate against porn sites and drug sites...but I'm fine with being labeled discriminatory in that case ;)

probably :lick:

Are you not forcing the person selling the product to accept porn and marijuana and have his name and business associated with such sites.

IT GOES BOTH WAYS

Nope, but the point is it's bad business either way you look at it. Discrimination on any level is bad and it doesn't matter if it's the law or not. The guy just wanted to buy an overpriced product to help better his site and what he enjoys doing. Sure the seller has the right to say no or restrict things like this...I think we can say we covered all aspects of this subject and can lay it to rest...my opinion is that it is wrong and bad business...thanks for reading :)

Then why do you use vBulletin, since they discriminate and won't sell to sites that contain illegal material?

I guess bad business is good business to them? Like I said they seem to be doing pretty well ;)

The software is fairly priced as well. The only people that complain are the ones with new sites that can not afford it. Honestly if your site is new you don't need this anyway, you got other things to spend your time and money on. ;)

but but but! That is different!

Look at it another way.

Maybe he feels he doesn't want vBSEO to help lead more people to his site that could lead to a person starting to smoke drugs that has never smoked drugs before. Maybe he doesn't like the thought that his vBSEO product could do something like this and be responsible for creating another smack head.

All becuase he sold that site vBSEO that lead him there in the first place. Maybe the guy from vBSEO looks at the wider aspect of things like this and it has nothing to do with discrimination whats so ever.

What's your point? I don't remember saying I was not going to buy anyones products because of their business practices...this is not a boycott...please read the whole thread instead of posting useless comments...thank you :)


Sorry I have to laugh at that...people who do drugs and smoke marijauna do it with friends..thats how it spreads...through the streets. :ermm:

So where are all your posts condemning Jelsoft's policy?

Again, read the thread..we are talking about vBSeo not vBulletin...and I don't agree with it no matter who it is...or what company.

Well I could tell you a long story about a brother in-law who died at the age of 21 through drugs, which all started off with "smoking blow with his mates for a laugh". But I'll spare you the story.

Not all people stop at smoking blow your know, it can lead to other things which no doubt was on his mind well he said: NO

And I don't know were you get it was discrimination from, it was a moral discussion not to sell it him with is totally different.

I have had on numerous occasions have script authors refuse to help me because my site 'supports' war. However misguided and as much I disagree with them it is thier right as a private entity to do it.

Just move on and ignore them, there are more important things in life.

-Jason

Hello Everyone,

The vBSEO Team has been discussing this topic. As a result, I thought it was only fair that I give you some insight as to our position on this matter, as opposed to forcing you to continue theorizing about the motivations behind our "Acceptable Usage Policy".

First of all, although we always strive to be fully aware of your concerns, we must firmly adhere to the company policies that we have in place. This means that, on occasion, we have disallowed the purchase of vBSEO from various forums including those related to the promotion of illegal drugs or pornography.

I do not intend to make any judgements regarding those of you who administer such forums. However, as a company, Crawlability believes in certain principles which are reflected in our vision, mission, and terms of use for all of our current and future product/service offerings.

Our software helps your forums gain more Web Traffic and more exposure. As a result, allowing vBSEO to be purchased for use with the types of forums restricted in our EULA, would essentially put Crawlability in the position of promoting content that we do not feel is a good fit with our understanding of positive social values.

Of course, I also have some concern related to issues such as (1) association of our company or products with such forums, and/or (2) general legal issues that could arise by deploying our software on certain forums.

Our License Agreement will be revised to provide a clearer definition of sites that wouldn't meet our "Acceptable Usage Policy". We are also going to modify the checkout process so that review of the EULA is emphasized prior to purchase.

Juan

No kidding... I was about to purchase their VBSEO script and my site is a big community that includes adult content (I got religion too). I guess I'll have to pass then. It is silly to be worrying about the contents of people's forums. Vbulletin doesn't, phpbb doesn't. Oh well, it's their software. They opened themselves to be liable for any legal problems that may arise from people's forums that have vseo installed.

I agree, somebody must come up with something cheaper and open source. Is vbulletin's source open? :)

vBulletin does.

Bravo Juan! In an age where moral decay rules the day your stand is refreshing and encouraging! There will always be critics...and it seems that the most vocal critics are either the one's who can't afford the product or can but don't qualify...which means there would be no critisism if no one was interested ;)

Merry Christmas all!

Really? Marihuana? Adult? If so why so many vbulletin forums with adult and growing marihuana contents? They even ask for support in vb boards and even show the links to their sites and last time I checked their forums are still there.

They do. Maybe not the current subject matter, but they do deny licenses to sites based on their content.

:rolleyes: actually the software is drastically over priced, and I Could afford it, in fact I could buy 2-3 packages of it ATM, that doesn't mean I will, for several reason that I've already expressed in other thread,
I laugh at you and other when they say this, the only ppl that dislike this product are the ones who can't afford it. I've been reading alot about how to promote your site and I still argue that you don't need any seo to be successful.
you can look at the largest boards on the net and they don't have fancy url's like this.
there are many other things you can do to your site to make it SEO, that doesn't involve some high priced product to have a like on your site :rolleyes:

a note to the thread starter or anyone interested in other editing you can do to seo your site, I'd check out this forum

http://www.vbwebmaster.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 some great info here and discussion

good luck to everyone

Please - Enlighten us as to your reference point for this information...

As I see it, they only disallow the use of their software for sites such as warez sites, due to the legalities of their own software being pirated, and the copyrights and legal issues with other company's software being pirated...

I know of at least one large cannabis related vBulletin site (Overgrow) and I know that Adult content is not prohibited by the vBulletin Licence terms...

Chris

From: http://www.vbulletin.com/order/license_agreement.php
Like I said, they do deny licenses based on the content of the site.

I bet they are super religious fanatics. Anyone that wouldn't let their software be used on a pot site is an idiot.

Like I said, that's only warez, something not supported by most if not all companies with commercial product(s)...

So as for disagreeing with that particular policy, well, most places won't sell you software if they believe you are going to rip them or other people off ;)

And technically, that's not "denying licences" - That's revoking and/or taking legal action if your licence is found to be used for such activities...

Chris

Software piracy is only one of the items listed. Intellectual property, trademarks, etc covers many different things.

Again, as I said, and I'll say it again, Jelsoft does have policies that pertain to the content of the site. Period. Two people have said that they don't, and I'm just pointing out that they do.