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Jenta 11-26-2005 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Boofo
Ah, you must know something I don't? ;)
Well since you asked. I think some will do it just to spite John. That's all.

Vizionz 11-26-2005 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris M
You can't - They would simply alter the code to make it function...

However - These people should be aware that they could be sued over doing so...

For all coders wishing to release scripts involving new pages and functionality, invest some time in making a licence agreement and include it in your .zip file - You will stand better chance of winning any legal action if it is included with your code :)

Chris
ya need to know how to alter that code though while most the people just removing the code itself. are just downloading free hacks and changing a simple line. or altering a phraze

Boofo 11-26-2005 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Vizionz
i suggest waiting till tonight and looking at both for yourself. i prefer v3arcade because it already has the abilty to have both games from both systems where ibproarcade dont as far as i know. but others might prefer ibproarcade . but untill both are launched its just one sides so far

http://www.v3arcade.com/forums/
Did you even bother to read the first post in the arcade thread? IBProArcade had the ability to play v3Arcade games in the last version and it was not removed or changed.

Vizionz 11-26-2005 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Jenta
Well since you asked. I think some will do it just to spite John. That's all.
and then like chris said ther can be taken to court

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boofo
Did you even bother to read the first post in the arcade thread? IBProArcade had the ability to play v3Arcade games in the last version and it was not removed or changed.
nope i didnt bother reading it i looked for a demo of it and i dont like the way it looks so havent tried to look at what it can import. untill i can figure a way to make it look better with the templates it is not interesting enough to me..

Mark.B 11-26-2005 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Vizionz
well there ya go :) good job mark
Thanks.

I've got to do it all again now for 3.5.....sob....

I have already got the new version of ibPro running on my test install of vB 3.5.1, and it has all the filenames etc changed to ibproarcade as above *so* all things being equal, I should be able to put v3Arcade on as well when it comes out later.

I am so sure it isn't going to be that simple, it wasn't last time, but you never know.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenta
Well since you asked. I think some will do it just to spite John. That's all.
That would be pretty nasty of them. John has also worked very hard on his hack.

Boofo 11-26-2005 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Jenta
Well since you asked. I think some will do it just to spite John. That's all.
And they will be asked to replace the copyright and if not, asked to remove the hack. For those that do not comply, we will take it further. ;)

It isn't only Zero's copyright, but the original author's copyright, too. They will have 2 sources coming after them. ;)

Vizionz 11-26-2005 02:24 PM
and hes talking about v3arcade :P

MrZeropage 11-26-2005 02:25 PM
ibProArcade is (as you all can read in its thread) compatible to ibPro-Games, v3arcade-Games and even PNflashgames (www.pnflashgames.com)

v3arcade will not be compatible with PNflashgames with this first release that must be coming soon.


So you should better be informed before telling something wrong ;)

Boofo 11-26-2005 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Vizionz
nope i didnt bother reading it i looked for a demo of it and i dont like the way it looks so havent tried to look at what it can import. untill i can figure a way to make it look better with the templates it is not interesting enough to me..
Maybe read before you post something false next time? ;)

Looks can be decieving. It's what's under the hood that counts. Changing the templates is easy if you know html. The skin files handle all of that.

Vizionz 11-26-2005 02:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boofo
And they will be asked to replace the copyright and if not, asked to remove the hack. For those that do not comply, we will take it further. ;)

It isn't only Zero's copyright, but the original author's copyright, too. They will have 2 sources coming after them. ;)
and how can you find out anyway. its not required to download hacks without it being clicked that it was installed. there is no way vbulletin staff will be able to check every forum out there for the arcade copyrights specially that you need to be registered to view the arcade,

Boofo 11-26-2005 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Vizionz
and hes talking about v3arcade :P
Once again, we need to read the post before responding to it. He said they would remove the copyright on this arcade just to spite John for having to pay to do it on that arcade (unless I read it totally wrong). ;)

Boofo 11-26-2005 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Vizionz
and how can you find out anyway. its not required to download hacks without it being clicked that it was installed. there is no way vbulletin staff will be able to check every forum out there for the arcade copyrights specially that you need to be registered to view the arcade,
All it takes is one person saying something to someone or us doing a spot check or whatever. The Internet isn't private by any means. ;)

And vbulletin staff have nothing to do with this hack.

Vizionz 11-26-2005 02:30 PM
remove the copyrights from v3arcade despite john charging 60 to remove it

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boofo
All it takes is one person saying something to someone or us doing a spot check or whatever. The Internet isn't private by any means. ;)
well theres plenty of sites out there so start checking

Jenta 11-26-2005 02:34 PM
I meant John's. Why would anyone want to spite MrZeropage?

Vizionz 11-26-2005 02:36 PM
thats a ignorant post right there. spite john because he offers a option to remove a copyright from a product hes doing for free that he wrote himself. but all praise zero because he made a code from someones original hack :( *shakes head*

Chris M 11-26-2005 02:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vizionz
remove the copyrights from v3arcade despite john charging 60 to remove it


well theres plenty of sites out there so start checking
It's not up to us to do so...

However if we come accross a site running a version of the software without any copyright information we will report them to the author :)

Chris

Vizionz 11-26-2005 02:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris M
It's not up to us to do so...

However if we come accross a site running a version of the software without any copyright information we will report them to the author :)

Chris
yeah i know chris but it happens everyday. example go www.packetnews.com or torrentspy.com and search vbulletin

Boofo 11-26-2005 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Vizionz
yeah i know chris but it happens everyday. example go www.packetnews.com or torrentspy.com and search vbulletin
Just because it happens doesn't make it acceptable or right, does it?

Vizionz 11-26-2005 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Boofo
Just because it happens doesn't make it acceptable or right, does it?
i know it isnt right thats why i own two licenses but it really isnt that easy to stop it .. thats what i am saying. anyone can edit the forum to remove these type of copyrights. its simple if ya want too. should you absolutely not but plenty do it and plenty get away with it..

http://groups.google.com/group/macro...fcca2e8bc92cbb mentions the arcade for vbulletin

EricaJoy 11-26-2005 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MrZeropage
ibProArcade is (as you all can read in its thread) compatible to ibPro-Games, v3arcade-Games and even PNflashgames (www.pnflashgames.com)

v3arcade will not be compatible with PNflashgames with this first release that must be coming soon.


So you should better be informed before telling something wrong ;)
I would venture to say that the ability to support PNflashgames isn't a factor, given the status of that domain.

Vizionz 11-26-2005 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by princessfrozen
I would venture to say that the ability to support PNflashgames isn't a factor, given the status of that domain.
i would have to agree with ya so as of now they both as far as importing are the same. now its all on what extras v3arcade comes with its release to see whos arcade is the bad boy of the vbulletin hack world

yayvb 11-26-2005 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Vizionz
i would have to agree with ya so as of now they both as far as importing are the same. now its all on what extras v3arcade comes with its release to see whos arcade is the bad boy of the vbulletin hack world
vbarcade will definitely triumph :) once there is realtime multiplayer support!!!

Once again, I can not wait until John makes this happen. :speechless:

Boofo 11-26-2005 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by yayvb
vbarcade will definitely triumph :) once there is realtime multiplayer support!!!

Once again, I can not wait until John makes this happen. :speechless:
Realtime multi-player support will be great IF it ever happens. It's not as easy to incorporate as everyone seems to think it is. Expect a long wait for that to happen. ;)

Boofo 11-26-2005 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by princessfrozen
I would venture to say that the ability to support PNflashgames isn't a factor, given the status of that domain.
Which is?

Cole2026 11-26-2005 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Boofo
Which is?
The domain has expired. :\

yoyoyoyo 11-26-2005 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by bfoot045
The domain has expired. :\
I am sure it is just a temporary domain thing... sourcekit software acquired pnFlashGames in march of this year, so I doubt they will let it drop...

http://carolinanewswire.com/news/New...e&id=2671&op=t

http://www.sourcekitsoftware.com/pnflash-5000.htm

You can always contact SourceKit and ask them what is up if you are really curious...

LEAD_WEIGHT 11-27-2005 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by yayvb
vbarcade will definitely triumph :) once there is realtime multiplayer support!!!

Once again, I can not wait until John makes this happen. :speechless:
$3.00/hr for more than two people playing at once, unless you use something from macromedia and still that will not make it free. If you have money and bandwidth, then you can do this. You going to ask money from your members anyways, cause it will cost you in the end.

Vizionz 11-27-2005 12:56 AM
well you cant expect free for multi player online play unless your a ceo of a multi million dollar company. bandwidth is costly. but even though multi player is fresh i dont see any flash games cool enough to play multiplayer and worth spending anything on. i could see if it was doom or counterstrike but its flash games

Oblivion Knight 11-27-2005 06:24 AM
Just to clarify things a little, v3arcade is not a commercial hack and is completely within the rules here at vbulletin.org.. You are effectively donating to remove the copyright, which also entitles you to "premium" support.

The staff team at v3arcade.com will be supporting everyone, whether they're branding free users or not. Due to certain issues over the last couple of years, we are offering users that want a legal arcade the chance to do so - this could mean a small licensing fee for some games (not all), which is negotiated with the author(s).

The system at v3arcade does not act as a backdoor, and we do not have access to any file on your server. John will post clear information about this in his release thread.. You can opt out of game installation reports if you wish, although this may reduce the amount of games that are available to you.

So let the rumours be put down to rest once and for all.. :p

Jenta 11-27-2005 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Oblivion Knight
You can opt out of game installation reports if you wish, although this may reduce the amount of games that are available to you.
Can you give us more info on this?

Boofo 11-27-2005 07:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oblivion Knight
Just to clarify things a little, v3arcade is not a commercial hack and is completely within the rules here at vbulletin.org.. You are effectively donating to remove the copyright, which also entitles you to "premium" support.

The staff team at v3arcade.com will be supporting everyone, whether they're branding free users or not. Due to certain issues over the last couple of years, we are offering users that want a legal arcade the chance to do so - this could mean a small licensing fee for some games (not all), which is negotiated with the author(s).

The system at v3arcade does not act as a backdoor, and we do not have access to any file on your server. John will post clear information about this in his release thread.. You can opt out of game installation reports if you wish, although this may reduce the amount of games that are available to you.

So let the rumours be put down to rest once and for all.. :p
Sorry, OK, this doesn't really wash very well. Call it what you want, but having to pay for better support and negotiating a fee from "non-branding" seems like just a whitewash for a paid hack. ;)

Oblivion Knight 11-27-2005 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Jenta
Can you give us more info on this?
Well, some authors require installation reports of their games in return for using them on your site with v3arcade. I guess this provides them with some data to market their games better or something.. Although because some may regard this as a privacy issue, they can disable their arcade sending these reports - but in doing so, the games that require the option to be enabled will not be installable through the official system.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Boofo
Sorry, OK, this doesn't really wash very well. Call it what you want, but having to pay for better support and negotiating a fee from "non-branding" seems like just a whitewash for a paid hack. ;)
It's only the same as vBulletin or vBadvanced charging for a branding free option, so I don't see what the big deal is. The premium support thing? As mentioned, we're going to support ALL users, but the premium support forum will be checked for problems first. I'd hardly call it a paid hack..

Jenta 11-27-2005 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Oblivion Knight
It's only the same as vBulletin or vBadvanced charging for a branding free option, so I don't see what the big deal is.
vBadvanced is no longer distributed here. ;)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oblivion Knight
they can disable their arcade sending these reports - but in doing so, the games that require the option to be enabled will not be installable through the official system.
So users opting out will be able to download them the regular way from John's site?

BamaStangGuy 11-27-2005 07:37 AM
Point is I can download it and use it without paying.

Not a paid hack

Jenta 11-27-2005 07:47 AM
It's not as simple as that. There are questions in some peoples minds as to exactly how things are going to work and this veiled "branding removal fee" that as far as I know, no other hack here has. Most just put up a donate email.

LEAD_WEIGHT 11-27-2005 07:49 AM
I will see what vb.org staff say after they get the complete code and including what John has at his end. As for paying for any flash games??? That is like saying " Their is a sucker born every minute" It is a flash game! Only a sucker would buy a flash game and that is what you guy's are hoping for. Lamo

Edit
*If games that come with v3arcade in brand free, then why do they have links to another site? It is not really a brand free is it.

Jenta 11-27-2005 08:01 AM
Branding removal was something the impatient people would pay to get their hands on the betas. The longer it was delayed the more people bought into it. ;)

Boofo 11-27-2005 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Jenta
Branding removal was something the impatient people would pay to get their hands on the betas. The longer it was delayed the more people bought into it. ;)
The issue I have with this is the 2 (or more) levels of support. If you pay, you get promt support, if not, you can only hope they don't get busy supporting on the site.

dvg323 11-27-2005 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by LEAD_WEIGHT
I will see what vb.org staff say after they get the complete code and including what John has at his end. As for paying for any flash games??? That is like saying " Their is a sucker born every minute" It is a flash game! Only a sucker would buy a flash game and that is what you guy's are hoping for. Lamo

Edit
*If games that come with v3arcade in brand free, then why do they have links to another site? It is not really a brand free is it.

do you know how much time goes into making a flash game?

pnflashgames is doing well, and they charge for games.

miniclip is doing very well, they buy games for way more then v3 will charge. they are huge suckers.

your just cheap

as for the Free/paid script "issues" i simply dont see it. most of you guys are uninformed and are making assumptions. i think this will iron out once the V3 arcade comes out.

it is "normal" for people who donate to get special treatment. isent it?

yoyoyoyo 11-27-2005 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Jenta
vBadvanced is no longer distributed here. ;)
correct- and after looking at John's arcade system I think the same should be true with that hack as well, or they should allow vbAdvanced to be posted here, otherwise it is a double standard!


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