The only reason this was brought out in public is because previous private attempts went un-noticed.

Nor do vBulletin team members have access to backstage areas of this site like we do at vBulletin.org in order to resolve issues such as a license system in a timely manner. It isn't so much as it works better on vBulletin.org or vBulletin.com but that it is managed daily.

i'm completely behind saintdog with this. i respect him greatly for what he's brought to the vbulletin community, and the fact that his schedule is slightly more taut than yours constitutes to this community 'wasting away into nothingness'? Please. Give the man some time, I'm sure if i were in his shoes, i'd be *ahem* deeply sorry for my schedule not being as flexible as yours.

That is great... Be behind him and support him. When a site with 13,000 members only gets a few dozen posts a day, there is a problem. The only real interest I have is trying to resolve that problem in as timely a manner as possible. If Saintdog doesn't have time to run the site then he should hire someone to do it for him. It is only logical. It isn't because my schedule is more lax than his. I usually work from 6:00 in the morning to Midnight, 6 days a week.

However, it is my job to make sure that the best interests of Jelsoft and vBulletin are taken to heart here because 1) this site is on our server. 2) It is the official template site where all of our customers are referred.

it isnt saintdog's fault that posts counts arent high here. don't blame it on him. just by the fact that they have 3 people on their staff doesnt mean posting is low. maybe you dont notice, whenever someone has a problem here, and it's posted, it's more than usually addressed by someone in the community and is usually solved. dont blame low staff numbers on posting.

Actually, you are absolutely correct, I am basing my opinions of this site threads like these:
http://www.vbulletintemplates.com/mo...ead.php?t=5103
http://www.vbulletintemplates.com/mo...ead.php?t=5201
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91574

As well as dozens of complaints we get through the vBulletin Support System. Really has nothing to do with the current staff, though having more staff and more admins to cover for the fact that the primary admin is stretched tight at the moment would go a long way in being able to resolve these problems. That the site is running an insecure beta after 4 new releases have been made when the upgrade takes all of 10 minutes to do is another issue but not as pertinant as dealing with customer complaints about the site on a continual basis.

Anyway, I will be going away for the weekend and will see if this site is upgraded when I return. At that time I will contact the owners of Jelsoft because if it isn't then it is not in the companies best interest to support this site further.

I guess it's my turn to say something; this site for a long time wasn't nearly as active for a lot of reasons:

vB.org also has a templates section and many questions were answered there, also this site was not made very public like vBulletin.org was. Even today not many members of vBulletin.com are aware of vBulletintemplates.com. I bought up that fact to Kier and asked on vBulletin.com, "if we are a sister site, why do we not get the same treatment as vBulletin.org?" Now we do have a link for both vBulletin.com and .org, which I my self am very grateful for, and I would like to see the same done here, and I believe it will be done.

I personally have been trying my best to spark the community; I release template mods as I can and I also release skins, as I'm able to. I give support here, and I ask people who post template questions at vBulletin.org to ask here. I have done what I can.

While I'm aware you work for vBulletin and Jelsoft I don't think you have so much say over what the site does. Although I'm not totally aware of your position, you yourself have not been here to help contribute and if you have I have not seen it.

It is not the fault of anyone specifically that the community isn't active. When this site began it was not an official sister site, and there was a flood of users. It is partly due to most users attitude that vB3 is not stable, and that templates have been changing so much over time. The community hasn't had a chance to recoup, and rebuild it self properly.

There are still tons of great vBulletin 2 mods here, and we continue to try to promote the site and get more traffic here, but the License system problems is a bit out of our hands, most of us here are html people by nature, that's why we mostly choose to post here. I hope that in the future with Brad helping that the site will once again prosper and be as active if not more than vBulletin.org.

Being busy is what I always hear in each email and pm and chat that I have with vbt staff member(s). If you aren't up to the task no more, and just enjoy the title .. shame.

Since I can't post more then 1 paragraph without running into flood errors about images that aren't used, here is a follow up.

The site runs beta 6, and if I remember correctly, the beta 6 wasn't installed directly after the release. The beta 6 release was in beginning of September if my mem serves me right.

I am willing to upgrade this board to RC 3 if needed, and will keep it up to date if needed, just send all info about the upgrade to my email and when you would like it done.

There is no need to take sides here, IMO everyone is begin truthful here, we all know this site needs work and as needed it for awhile.

There is quite a difference between someone who is a staff member and tries to be active on a site, and the person who started this project in the first place and got a deal with Jelsoft about becoming official and stays the admin and stops running a site.