That is definitely not necessarily so. A java product can be cleaner, but it requires great java skills before it will be. Java can be a great language, very efficient and powerful, but when written by someone with only medium-good (or less) skills it can be a complete nightmare.

Do a search for "vbulletin" on their forums :p

>>Jive Forums is used on sites as massive as Sun's official Java forums

And seriously... would Sun use anything BUT a Java product for their Java forums? I think their choices were rather limited.

It looks good to me and [what filburt said here] :)

Large corporations and businesses aren't too fond of GNU and open-source languages. vBulletin falling under PHP makes it less appealing toward these corporations. Since corporations have the money, it's nothing to them for spending $400 bucks on a small software.

Maybe if vBulletin was in ASP .NET :rolleyes:

I've been posting at a forum recently that I just noticed was Jive:
http://www.vmware.com/community/index.jspa

I replied.

Its so featureless for version 3.2.3.... i mean, what were the others like! It seems very much like the thing, if the price looks good it must be as good as it says it is.

Anything any of you want me to ask/say?

Either I've only seen Jive run on REALLY slow servers, or the Jive forum software is nowhere near as fast as vBulletin.

Until I see a site with Jive running faster than the EvB forums, I'm not gonna believe their remarks on "speed"... :)

I agree. It seems only interesting for major corporations that want no specific features, just:
make posts, make threads, make forums, and be able to edit the aforementioned three features (wow, doubling the feature count!).

*shrugs* Maybe for big companies that works. For any generic site running vBulletin (or, should they be so unlucky, IPB ;)), Jive would and will never suffice.

Ask them why they have none of the features that have been conventional forum standard for the past 4 years. :D

*laughs* ^_^:up:

A thread like this just shows how much vb users don't know about enterprise software. Jive is enterprise software. It is built to be used on large sites by large corporations. Enterprise software is rarely flashy with a lot of UI features. It is built to scale. It has features that vb will never have even with hacks. The db layer is built to use the high end options such as Oracle and DBase.

The price isn't bad when you consider the only other enterprise forum software that I know of is Open Topic.

You have to look behind the UI to see why Jive is worth every dollar they charge.

All very fair and true... but look at the huge vbs out there, vb is 100% industry standard etc complys to a heck of a lot, and is written in a non commercial language that isnt gonna cost companys more ??? to have a server running a db of oracle etc???

Also these users will be running sites from huge servers etc...

So wouldnt software that was not only industry compliant but with a huge public follwoing and knowledge db be better?

But hey what do i know lol :D