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sabret00the 08-16-2003 01:41 PM

yep that's as plain as day to see, and then he's not refusing new clients so the work load is just getting worse and worse, it's sad to see, it's also a pain for all the clinets out there.

Dean C 08-16-2003 02:23 PM

Well anyone who had these problems can come to me for advice ;)

Seriously though, this is bad. I hear that some cases have been sorted with Corey giving a major discount for those affected. Maybe he's getting back on track. But the fact is that you don't take on more work than you can handle :)

Xelation 08-16-2003 03:53 PM

I would just like to say that I am no way involved in this matter. I have said before in that webhostingtalk thread that I am in no way affiliated with ravio.com or vbskins.com anymore because of this matter. I'm not going to ruin my reputation because of someone else.

Attrox 08-16-2003 07:04 PM

:rolleyes:

I don't really have an opinion on this, since I don't know Corey and never have never used any of his services. But I do have to laugh at those of you who just handed over $1000+ with out even seeing results. I mean WTF were you thinking? Not to be harsh or anything, I'm not sticking up for Corey either, I just think that was a stupid move really. You placed way to much trust in him...

And if you had a contract with him, that means he signed a legal agreement. Ever heard of a lawsuit? File one. I don't think starting a little riot on message boards is going to do anything, but tarnish their reputation. But whatever, I wish you and your little gang good luck with RavioWarning.com. You'll need it. :p

sabret00the 08-16-2003 07:09 PM

i've also not lost anything thru all of this but i can say, that helped :rolleyes:

what gives you the right to come in here and gloat, that's just not right, don't act like a tosser, obviously there was a contractual agreement otherwise so many ppl wouldn't have started legal proceedings.

if you have nothing constructive to say don't say it at all!

Attrox 08-16-2003 07:15 PM

It wasn't only here either. I've seen posts at vBulletin.com about it, vBulletin Templates, the Viper Host support forums...I mean it's rather lame. I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish by doing this. Do you think Corey is going to see this and all of the sudden decide to finish your projects? I highly doubt it. You're making yourself look bad more so then Ravio, in my opinion. You could have done it in a more adult/professional matter, instead of just posting a little rant at every forum populated with vB custumors.

FlyBoy73 08-16-2003 09:41 PM

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Today at 04:08 AM Erwin said this in Post #5
A thread like this is allowed, as long as the thread starter sticks to just the facts, without resorting to name-calling or opinions.

Also, it is preferable that the thread starter contacts the service provider in question so that he is given a chance to respond to this thread, as that is only fair.

I am glad to know that it won't be closed (unless it becomes abusive) or deleted. It bothered me a great deal to see that happen over at vBulletin.com even though I had no part in that thread.

You have a good point and I will be sure and send him the link. Most of us would like nothing more than to hear from him (for a start).

FlyBoy73 08-16-2003 09:44 PM

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Today at 04:16 AM N9ne said this in Post #6
There's been a thread like this here, WHT, vBT, Yaxay, nameless other places, and Corey fails to reply, but when he does he comes over as being nice and that gets customers walking straight back into his trap :).
That is exactly what happened to me. He smoothed things over with me (a number of times), and I wanted nothing more than to believe that it was mistakes, family emergencies, etc. In the end, it didn't matter.. Very few of his promises were ever followed through with. When I tried to post about the problems I had, I got jumped on by a number of his groupies, or my posts were deleted.

Corey is very likeable and a great designer.. The other problem is there was not many custom guys out there when I first met him, and even now.

FlyBoy73 08-16-2003 09:55 PM

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Today at 03:04 PM Attrox said this in Post #14
:rolleyes:

I don't really have an opinion on this, since I don't know Corey and never have never used any of his services. But I do have to laugh at those of you who just handed over $1000+ with out even seeing results. I mean WTF were you thinking? Not to be harsh or anything, I'm not sticking up for Corey either, I just think that was a stupid move really. You placed way to much trust in him...

And if you had a contract with him, that means he signed a legal agreement. Ever heard of a lawsuit? File one. I don't think starting a little riot on message boards is going to do anything, but tarnish their reputation. But whatever, I wish you and your little gang good luck with RavioWarning.com. You'll need it. :p

Attrox,
The problem is that NOBODY was coming out (I AM GUILTY) and letting everyone else know what was going on in the background. Meanwhile he was turning out designs that were pretty damn impressive with a lot of clients that would totally vouch for him.
I didn't just send money to someone I found out of the blue. He was a MODERATOR here, he had tons of people on Yaxay and many other places that would vouch for him.. Say how great his customer service was, etc.
When you are living all the way across the USA from him, you can't exactly sit down and shake hands or twist his neck when he doesn't perform. Making that worse is there was a severe lack of custom designers (that is changing now, thankfully!) so you had to get in line for him.. Not the other way around.

And that is exactly what happened.. Everyone wanted his work and he didn't say No to most people. He crossed the legal line and started taking money and not putting out work. Further, many people seem to think that he was just over-loaded.. I do not think that is the case.. I don't think he was working 5 days a week.. More like playing with the money he got and then doing work when it suited him.

With regards to legal remedies, I am looking into them myself. I have a good friend that is a lawyer here in Texas that is going to assist me. The problem is that he is up in Michigan or some other place. Interstate lawsuits are a real pain. We're looking into jurisdictional issue now. Its starting to look like I can make him travel down here or get a default judgement if he does not show. There will however be a problem if I were to have to take the matter up in his state. Most people can't afford to travel up there, attorney fees and room & board for a few thousand dollars. I have only used him for personal sites.. I don't have corporate backing. So, if I can't have the venue in my state, I am just screwed and will have to write it off.

David

FlyBoy73 08-16-2003 10:06 PM

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Today at 03:15 PM Attrox said this in Post #16
It wasn't only here either. I've seen posts at vBulletin.com about it, vBulletin Templates, the Viper Host support forums...I mean it's rather lame. I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish by doing this. Do you think Corey is going to see this and all of the sudden decide to finish your projects? I highly doubt it. You're making yourself look bad more so then Ravio, in my opinion. You could have done it in a more adult/professional matter, instead of just posting a little rant at every forum populated with vB custumors.
What do I hope to accomplish by this? Is it not apparent? I DO NOT want anyone else to get screwed over by this guy. I will NOT allow him to finish anything of mine now(It has been over a year), or mess up anything else, such as my galleries, etc. I gave him NUMEROUS deadlines and finally fair legal notice. That end is done, however I am not going to keep it a dirty little secret any longer. See all those people over at WHT that have been taken for a ride? If I had posted like I am now a while back, chances are those people wouldn't have gotten taken for a ride, or at least would have been much more careful.

You are entitled to your opinion. I really don't care if you think I look bad. I've already stated what I do care about. As for professional resolutions, I have tried that for over a year with him.


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