i made the design...so ill respond to some of mists comments.

the line on the cat images is not my fault. I originally had a cat image with a gradient, and a 1px border. the other admin mustve removed the border, not realizing there were a few pixels left.

the logo - plain. I wasnt told to do something fancy, and he didnt like the other one i made (radon3k), so i made it just a circle.

colors - i was told to stick with the colors from the old logl.....so i did (not my choice).

buttons - i personally like em. they were originally made for another site in a blue, and it looked a litle better. i just changed the color.

header stroke - i need to find a way to make it look better....i jut never got around to it!

that help at all???:):)

Well Cypher you can still make it look better. ;)
But if you would like it to remain that way it's okay.
I still gotta get through coding the layout for the postbit. Wasn't too hard doing a layout for the other things and implimenting some of the images.

Thanks for your insight, mist, cypher. :D

No problem Tony

Cypher - i know radon wanted plain, its just that i don't like plain in this design ;)

- miSt

I like my complex designs too. :D

Looks cool! 4/5 :)

Hehe but the colors are already plain tony... why make it a plain design too ;)?

Thanks Kars! :)

Mist - Gaaar! :p

Tony - i speak my mind ;)

And I get angry alot. Hehehe. :D

mist - yeah...i hate plain - but i do what im told when i get paid:)