im not really sure what to say at the moment... but seeing as this whole selling a hack has created a disturbance in vb.org im not sure what to do... at the moment this place is my current home... i have no forum up right now and all i've done is support and hacks for ppl in the past... and to see a hack being sold isn't a bad thing... but when the community gets into such a fight i think that rules should be clearly stated concerning these issues so that we may all know... i've heard that yes it is allowed... and i believe that freddie was one that really hated the idea... last i checked the thread went unfinished and no resolution was brought about (to my knowledge) if ppl stop release hacks and start selling... and eveyone thinks that they can pull something like this? well it better be one hell of a hack with some pretty damn good support... and if ppl think they can start selling their so called hacks for sale at prices and not to many free ones are being released... i can guarentee you all that i'll be the first to code a similar hack and release it free of charge... i don't have anything personal against the selling of hacks... but if its going to hurt the community and my learning (like Boofo stated) then you make sure the hack is damn good... no offense to anyone just my prespective... regards...

btw *cough*iwillmakeabattlehackfreeofchargeinthenearfu ture*cough*

g-force2k2

----> :bow: to g-force2k2

:) you make my day

g-force2k2 seems to have a pretty good head on those shoulders. You have my admiration and respect there, g-force. :)

I said maybe. If the hack is clearly very advanced and is very complicated (let's say it has over 1000 lines of code and is optimized), comes with an easy installation (for example an unfaulty install script that does almost everything by itself), and adds new realms of functionality, then I think there is no problem with it being sold. After all, a hack so large and advanced is more or less its own program, and programs can be sold.

But if the hack consists of 100 lines, and adds something very basic, it should not be sold.

Either way I don't think the hack should be advertised at vB.org.

I have to say yes. If it's something that took the person alot of time to make and it shows in the hack, then yes. I would support anyone wh makes something so imppresive to help my forums along. As I see it, a hack is no differant then the creators of vB, they get paid for it so why not the creator of certain hacks.

I think the idea of people doing this for free is great but who cares if someone wants a donation in echange for the hack?

Odil

I think the question is not so much "Should people charge for hacks?" but more specifically, "Should people be able to advertise their for-sale hacks on vb.org?"

My answer is Yes to the former and a resounding No to the latter.

No!
The reason I came here in the first place was to share ideas and code with others. This is a hacking community, and all kinds of selling stuff here should be prohibited in my opinion.

Allow a single, offsite textlink in sigs to let people know you have stuff for sale. Don't use the full releases for crap like this, and don't use the 'help me finish' or any of the other forums to sneak in advertisements.

If you want to sell a product sell it as a Standalone product, like FireFly hopefully will with HiveMail, and MrLister with his Gaming Portal, they don't call them hacks, they simply are huge standalone products that enhance your board, in a way, that you can't even say it would be a hack, mainly because of all the major coding it went into.

Want to sell a "hack", call it a standalone product seperate from vbulletin, make a new site to explain it, present the product good, and maybe someone might bye it.

Yes and No.. this place is for open soruce hacks not selling them.. but I also believe that they should be able to since the selling of site styles goes on quit alot and no one complains about that >(

Me being a hacker and selling hacks I would like to see a forum where this can be done.. it has been brought up before but chen didnt do anything about it.

Chen is ignoring for good reasons :)
Chen has that portal thing that he sells, but you don't see him
advertising it, and that HiveMail thing coming soon, he seems to know it shouldn't be encouraged here, yet he gets fair amount of people to buy it.

By the way, you forgot

Thanks
Neo Bunney

after your message ;)