awesome man.... you've been so much help.... the forum is starting to look a lot better now....

i hate to ask one more question... but this one bugs me if you know the answer....

if you go here:

http://centurionsoffrost.com/forum/forum.php

and when you click at the top left "User Name" for the login.... it doesn't erase itself.... so you have to manually select and delete "User Name" each time (i know this will bug the users of the site over time)....

thanks again for your help.... i'm trying not to be clueless here.... but it's been a long time since i've used vb2/3 and vb4, while similar is a little harder to use