Well TBH, there is other ways than removing the system, to ensure only certain users access it, but I guess they felt it was easier to remove it.

Yeah, it may have hurt them in the long run, as everyone of course wants to be able to mod their site as they see fit, unless of course you are on the cloud.

To save face, the p0wertards literature being responsible for script kiddies hacking around 30k sites last year. If you take out the plugin system, sure would mean less fuss about "vBulletin hacked" being in any tech news etc.

IMHO to save face like I mentioned above. Furthermore I bet the official forums OR rather the test server was hacked using the plugin system (from long ago).

It helps by not having thousands more sites taken advantage of. You're right though in my honest opinion it will hurt them in the long run UNLESS see below... drumroll please...

DAS CLOUD!!!!

Also see my post here. If you're marketing the cloud and pushing it heavily these last few months seems as if you're wanting everyone to jump on board - sadly many of us aren't ready to jump ship to the cloud despite what the world seems to think about clouds.

All I know is this, its different from how it used to be especially for third-party developers who helped get the sales to where they were regardless of marketing and redoing it all (vB5 fiasco and now lack of plugin system) just check napy8gen's post just below my last - its not him hurting its the software overall. You can't sit here and tell me you're not suffering when the rest of us who've based our livelihoods around primarily, one software are feeling the burn... we're crisp right now 3rd degree even but nah no worries, cloud is the answer despite not being able to customize heavily and go outside the box - whats helped build the vBulletin reputation in the beginning and until it was removed for vB5 thanks to fear of being hacked by a bunch of ftards - cut your nose off to spite your face is more like it.

/rantoff - Was that a rant? Dunno but simply spoke my mind so G'night all time for bed-a-rola ;).

I believe it is impossible to update all plugins of vb4 to vb5.

Every time an update comes out of a plugin do we do? We call a programmer? How much it would cost us the game?

At this point, then it would be more economical to change platform and buy one that does not have all these problems?

Changes must be made by the creators of vbulletin5 if you want to sell licenses.

It seems like IB is doing everything that can to ruin vb's name and alienate it's customers. No one wants a stock forum, they have to modify it to their own needs and rightfully should. Also I would not want to use "the cloud" I would much rather have full control of my website and hosting.

It seems vBulletin is trying to turn itself into a paid version of proboards. Moving backwards vs moving forwards, slowly killing itself.

What problems would that be? The fact that mod developers don't want to spend their free time to update mods to vB5?

Well, all of this is only half the cake, really. Even if IB would add the plugin system back in, most addons on vb.org would not be updated. IB managed to drive a lot of formerly active coders away - not only by breaking the addon envoironment, but also by their business policy and poor management decisions over the past five years. The community here - compared to older days - has all but dried out, many have changed to other products. It would take a lot to gain that trust back, if that is at all possible.

I seriously doubt they will add them back. And if they did, it would probably be in a minimalist fashion, and not be no where as useful as it is in vB3 or vB4.

Claimed by who ? where ?

If I remembered who where, I would have said so, or quoted, that is why I said IIRC.

Well here is one post alluding to such a claim, http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forum...86#post3983686

And another, https://theadminzone.com/threads/vbu...-5#post-815223