didn't find it, that's what i found "Customize Template: FORUMHOME", that's the closest.

All the css templates are in a group, so you won't find forumhome.css right after FORUMHOME. Scroll about 25% down the list.

If modifying forumhome.css doesn't change anything try forumbits.css and forumbits-ie.css

not working , never mind, i a second thought it's better that way. thanks.

You could look in the forumhome_forumbit_level1_nopost template and look for and replace the whole of the<tbody> tag for thisDon't forget to change the forum id :)

i don't familier with that program language, but i think you lil bit confuse with:
<vb:else /> --><vb:else>
</vb:else>--></if>

You're right, i don't have vb4, but all you need to do is change the IFs and ELSEs to the right format for vb4 and all will be good :)

i try it, didn't work.

You tried what? Post *exactly* what you did and what the result was or we cannot help.

i don't familier with that langauge, i try everything, the tag if / else, i switch position to all of them, didn't work, it's just show nothing, and 1 time, i don't know wich time cause i try a lot,
it work except that "$childforumbits" was where the name of the category was, i thought it may be cause i didn't change the id, which i don't know how to do that, i didn't even thing about guessing,
guessing it's not for me, i want my forum to be perfect, not some guessing which will make me lot's of problems.
if you don't know i prefer to leave that as it is.
thanks.

That code i provided (without the vb: added) worked perfect for me when i added it to my vb3.8 forum, the forum id i chose was collapsed by default!