yes, they do
the idea is to promote/benefit "active" coders

I can see the point, but as someone who contributed a while ago now, it's kind of a kick in the teeth.

Danny dude, lol I actually had trusted you more than to say something like "as a user your suggestions are invaluable". Lets take a look at the user to staff ratio and just how much of any website's success is due to "their users". Or am I missing something here?

It's agreed that the mods system needs improvement, even Paul was able to admit to that. The fact that you guys are waiting till vb4, although I do share the restlessness that others do for better organization, is understandable due to the fact that vb4 will bring an immense amount of changes. But the key here is just always knowing where there's need for improvement, especially when the suggestions are made from members who posted modifications here for free.

Not sure what you mean, Gio?

I think it's best if we wait until vB 4 as our entire back end will have to be rewritten anyway.

I think what's gio's saying danny is, if members can post their free modifications, and spend their valuable time in creating them to bettering this site then the staff can atleast get off their backside and start improving the modifcation system instead of coming up with the "same old, same old" aka "lets wait for *inserts vbulletin revision here*". Yeah, it's a lot of work, but so are the free modifications, styles & graphics that members spend their time creating and post here.

The "let's wait for armageddon" is getting old and you don't have to look far in this thread that members aka contributors are fustrated.

The staff will do what they have the time for, simple as that. No amount of criticising them by yourself (which you seem very good at) will change the fact that they have a life outside of vb.

Surprising as it may be, this website is not the most important thing in my life, nor I imagine any of the other volunteers who run it.

At some point we will probably upgrade to 3.8, it is extremely unlikely any other major changes will be made to the basic way the site works (before 4.0).

Thats the reality of the situation.

I can understand that. Seeing as vB4 is supposedly going to finally nix all of the old code, and start from scratch as far as backend goes. It's the perfect time to just dive in and rewrite the Modifications System, especially when it comes to something as big as the Mods System.

It's not surprising at all Paul, since you all are volunteers. The time has long passed that this site should be manned by paid staff (not just Marco). I know you don't like to hear it, but nobody forced any of you to take on the job and if it sucks that bad perhaps you should step aside? Remember, we're not trolls here, but paying customers just like yourself ;)

Also remember that you are not a paying customer of this site.

I've come to the conclusion that maybe we can't really blame you guys then? I mean, the same way we don't pay for the site, you guys don't get paid to manage it. So maybe we expect too much from the staff here? Maybe we just see vb and the opportunities and expect more than you guys are indeed capable of, which is totally understandable. I mean, it's not like the staff is loaded with the top coders and professionals in the vb world so maybe we should cut you all some slack.

Coffee on me :p