Nope that didn't do it. That's ok I give you a big thanks for the help. If I can't figure it out I have another idea that I might use. Was just trying to get the navbar vertical instead of horizontal.

If there is already something on the left of that, you may not be able to do a float left.

It was next to the "Search" part but I put in some <br/> to drop it down to where it is now in the picture I posted in the first post. Is it possible those are causing the problem?

A break wont help you on the float left. It needs to be on it's own table row.

Maybe that is where my problem is. Now I need to go and figure that part out. God I love this.:D I guess this is the only way i am going to learn. If i can ever get this style that I am working on out you are getting some major credit for this for all of your help.

No problem. I didn't do anything. ;)

If you get close and can't quite get it, let me know and we will see what we can figure out.

Yeah once I figure how to get it down to the next line without the breaks then it may work. Not sure if if W3S has anything on it. Gonna check them out.

Like I said, it needs to have it's own <tr>. That would put it on the next row which should be where you want it. ;)

Finally my stupidity was pointed out to me . Got it now. Don't know why I kept using the <br> tags. Much appreciated sir.

What fixed it?