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TruthElixirX 12-10-2007 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by aeturner89 (Post 1398234)
Ron Paul stands out the most to me. The most important issues I see are the war in Iraq (and overall middle easten foreign policy), government spending, taxes, and monetary policy.

I'm 100% behind Ron Paul.

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Originally Posted by whitemike (Post 1398327)
free healthcare

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Originally Posted by Weapon-x (Post 1398351)
We will never have that. The United States is never going to switch to free health care. Because of the fact of all the illegals would rush to the hospitals and there would be no paper work so there would be a problem there. Watch the movie Sicko. It explains it.

People who run for presidency lie more then my eyes blink...And I try very hard not to blink.


They promise us stuff they never bring because well congress never passes anything.


I would like to see America quit worrying about who has the most money, which company is paying of what people in DC. And looking at the big picture not just the small picture. America has a lot more problems then any other country.


Socialized healthcare works for a very short time before the economy can no longer sustain it. France and U.K. are both starting to run into trouble with it. There is no rationing mechanism since it is socialized.

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Originally Posted by Wayne Luke (Post 1398558)
The overall issues for me are energy independence and a self-building economy relying on local workers. For this purpose the ideas put forth by Dennis Kucinich and his Green Works Program are the most sound. It would move the United States from an Oil Bank based energy policy to a Solar Bank based energy policy. Solar Bank energy includes not only solar but wind, small hydroelectric and tidal power generation. We have the technology to make the switch but it will not happen as long as Big Oil controls the government. Both Bush and Cheney come from families that made all their money off of oil and still do.

Switching would decrease the need for us to be in the Middle East and therefore the need for this war which is no longer really about terrorism but control of oil reserves. It would eliminate the need to continue converting our crop fields for corn and soy to make e85 ethanol and biodiesel. It would create decent good paying jobs instead of the largest employment sector living off minimum wage in the retail industry. It will also bring technology improvements to other sectors of our lives.

Unfortunately, I do think that Kucinich's ideas are too much for the conservatives in both parties to handle. However they would reshape this country much like Roosevelt did to work on bringing us out of the depression and through World War II. Therefore my campaign will be to get him appointed Energy Secretary of whoever does get elected. The president is only as good as his advisors.

I don't like very many of Kucinich's policies. I'm a libertarian and he is pretty far to the left, BUT, if he were to get the Democrat nomination and Paul didn't get the Republican nomination, I'd vote for him. He is honest and intelligent. These two qualities are something I value, currently, more than political positions.

Now come a day far in the future when things aren't so messed up, I'd vote political ideas. But right now, I'm more concerned with people who have noble intentions.



Anyways, I'm a libertarian/minarchist. I believe in maximizing freedom. (Freedom to, not freedom from.) Free market, no government involved in anything except enforcing contracts and such. I'm easily swayed though if someone can find faults in my beliefs.

iogames 12-10-2007 07:38 PM

Hillary Clinton + The War

Dream 12-10-2007 11:20 PM

I'm not north american, but Ron Paul makes me feel happy for you guys.

Jetranger206 12-10-2007 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Freesteyelz (Post 1398395)
Technically, there isn't such thing as free healthcare. Someone has to pay.

Very true.

kiFF 12-11-2007 12:14 AM

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Socialized healthcare works for a very short time before the economy can no longer sustain it. France and U.K. are both starting to run into trouble with it. There is no rationing mechanism since it is socialized.
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Technically, there isn't such thing as free healthcare. Someone has to pay.
Thank you! :)

I think some people have to get out more. It's no secret that socialism doesn't work. The fall of the soviet union isn't a secret; just open up a history book.

Anyway, education is a very important issue for me. I support Giuliani as far as that goes. It is critical to our country's education that we use vouchers to create competition between schools.

And if Hillary get's elected and tries to give us "free" healthcare, and pulls us out of Iraq, I'm going to leave this country, lol.

Weapon-x 12-11-2007 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by kiFF (Post 1398893)
Thank you! :)

I think some people have to get out more. It's no secret that socialism doesn't work. The fall of the soviet union isn't a secret; just open up a history book.

Anyway, education is a very important issue for me. I support Giuliani as far as that goes. It is critical to our country's education that we use vouchers to create competition between schools.

And if Hillary get's elected and tries to give us "free" healthcare, and pulls us out of Iraq, I'm going to leave this country, lol.

I am going to make my self clear. Hilary is just a speaker she is not a leader.


She knows how to speak but she doesn't know how to lead a country.


Plus if she pulls out the troops and say we get attacked again it's just another slap on our wrists. We are a big country but we are so scared to do anything.

Freesteyelz 12-11-2007 12:39 AM

I'd like to see educational reform to some degree. Starting with the No Child Left Behind Act.

kiFF 12-11-2007 12:46 AM

The key word is "vouchers". Another thing that's not a secret--competition creates quality!

Ncturnal 12-11-2007 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by aeturner89 (Post 1398234)
Ron Paul stands out the most to me. The most important issues I see are the war in Iraq (and overall middle easten foreign policy), government spending, taxes, and monetary policy.

Ron Paul is the only logical choice for America. He's the only one that speaks honestly about the issues facing our nation. No other candidates voting record even comes close. Ron Paul all the way!!

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Originally Posted by whitemike (Post 1398327)
free healthcare

What line of work are you in whitemike? Whatever it is, would you like to do it for free? I doubt you would, which begs the question; why you would want others to provide service to you for free? Universal healthcare and all forms of socialism are immoral. No one has the right to take something from someone else even if the government allows it.

Hey Brad, I read your list and I think Ron Paul fits about 90% of it, especially the war. He voted against it from the beginning. He's against the Dept of Education and wants to return the power to the states. He's never voted to regulate the internet, strongly opposes the war on drugs for the same reasons you mentioned, and he's a doctor and has some great ideas on the medical problems we face. Here's a good interview with him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA7jHaowNME
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWdz1pnAFUA

kiFF 12-11-2007 01:11 PM

You know what, I have a problem with these so-called Ron Paul supporters. I'm not trying to point my finger at anyone here, but I highly doubt that anyone who supports him is actually a Libertarian. I think they're just anti-war liberals.

I am a libertarian and I would support Ron Paul if he wasn't anti-war.


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