I doen't matter where it was displayed/installed first. Copyright rests with the creator of the work. If they created it, they own the copyright, not you.

I understand what you are saying, but somehow that doesn't wash. I requested the creation, so once completed and installed, does that not make it mine since I asked for it, or it was gifted to me, so to speak?

Secondary to that, by licensing agreement, any post made at that forum become mine as well. Is this not the same thing?

It wasn't gifted to you unless the creator of the image put it in writing.

If it was a case of simply posting it on your site for ownership, that would mean this banner would be owned by vbulletin.org when I posted it.

http://www.thedarktower.com/palaver/...sc/header1.gif

that doesn't seem fair does it?

I don't think theres anything you can do. They made the image, they own it. They actually could make you take it down. The only thing you can do is to try and reason with the guy.

So, if I create a banner for you and install it on your site, all at your request, I can still take it back or claim ownership?

Not only does that not seem fair, it seems profoundly illegal.

Asking for it isn't enough. You would need an agreement between you and they maker saying that you now own it.

Wash or not, afaik, it's fact. :) If a legal expert can state otherwise then they are free to correct me.



Well that depends on what you agreed to when you joined, at CF we have a clause in our terms like this ;

But yes, in the absence of such terms your post is owned by yourself and should not be reproduced elsewhere (I believe this is a dodgy area as far as search engines are concerned).

That's why I made him give it to me in writing. Otherwise, the scene you describe is totally legal.