I have been doing designing as pure side work along with running a business and working full-time. I would say that designing does me about $3,000 per month but that is on good months. Do all kinds of work, if you can skin vBulletin that's great but you have so many other scripts out that that need good skins and themes so don't limit yourself. Also get into doing full websites, you can pull anywhere between $800-$2,000 per website depending on the customer. Know what your designs are worth and don't sell yourself short.

But more directly my profits help pay for the extras in life :-).

Alright, with the work I have done skinning vbulletin templates, how much would you say my work would be worth on a full website design? Would you consider my work as professional? I have released two vbulletin 3.6.x themes. Check them out and let me know what you think. Thanks!

That was a great and funny read haha

If you're going to design for vBulletin, it's definitely going to be an uphill battle. For vBulletin administrators, they can either choose from a wide variety of sites that sell pre-made skins for $20-$30 a pop, or they can choose from dozens upon dozens of designers, all willing to get the job done for less and less.

Good clients don't come often. Many times, your projects will be spent working on a skin here or some modifications there, for a few hundred or a few thousand dollars on the side. If you're paying $1000 a month for rent, $400 for your car, and $600 on food, that leaves you on a very tight budget. Among all the clients you get, try to identify ones that would pay off to be in long-term relationships with.

On the same note, try not to limit yourself to just vBulletin or just design. Selling a design to somebody for $800 or $1000 is nowhere near as sustaining as providing complete server and forum maintenance packages for a handful of sites. ;)

I guess this really isn't related to designing or vBulletin, but personally, I'd recommend that you diversify. Try to get some passive income thru other means, to compensate for those slow times between clients. If you've got a good website idea that will earn you revenue on the side, definitely pursue it.

And finally, don't forget to invest your earnings. My income goes into a pooled-stock portfolio some friends and I have set up. Sure, there's natural risks from investing your money in stocks, but we play the markets pretty well. ;)

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Sounds like you have had quite a bit of these problems. Gee, I wonder why? Have you ever not delivered on a schedule? Have you ever been paid for something you did not accomplish as agreed?

:mad:

Make sure this is what you want to do. This is not an overnight success business. It will take years to get where you want to be.

• Build your character. Your tone should always be positive regardless of what's going on. Your messages and actions help create a picture. How does your picture look like?
• Make sure you are affiliated with the right people ... affiliation with another may hurt your chances elsewhere. It's your job to find out what's best for you.
• Do not accept every offer that comes your way ... you will just be hurting yourself and your customers.
• Never underestimate.

Build A Positive Picture

vb.org is a big melting pot .. we have all sorts of members coming and going.
A good majority of these members are business professionals - always on the lookout for quality personnel.

A handful of coders here have been offered jobs ($50,000+) just because of what they do here and how they do it. So, everything you do everything you say is important. Build a positive picture and you will see things changing for the better.

A good majority of members have lost income because of how they portray themselves on vb.org. If you create a negative picture how do you expect to grow within the vBulletin community? eg. Instead of $550 per month selling services/products, you could be earning $2,950 per month.


Everything you do .. does make a difference.

Even though it say's i am a designer under my name, i really am not. I just love to help people get their site's to fit the theme they are going for.
So i don't charge, i will make stuff for people as i can, and then let them decide if they like what i have built for them or not......

I am sure that being a coder though, can bring in lot's of money though. That to me, is something that take's talent, and at my age, i think alot of my coding talent's are history.....i wish computer's would have been this easy when i was younger........Heck i remember the first computer we got at school, it was a radioshack TSR80.........hehehehe

Data Processing classes for me when I was in school was learning to operate an 80 line keypunch machine ;)

Best advice I've seen yet on this subject...well done Princeton :)

@the OP - there is very good money to be made in the design business...if you follow Princeton's advice and have patience and perserverence...best of luck to you! :)

Thanks for all the great feedback! I appreciate it!