In that case whats the point of this poll in having them listed here rather than using a link in your signature. As reading that above makes me think whats the point of all this.

This isn't directed at you, Gary..... but I thought it worthwhile to point this out for anyone else following the results who may assume that this poll itself will decide .org policy in and of itself. That's actually not the case. Whether the role of this site will be changed to allow commercial hacks to be sponsored, advertised/listed here is a decision that will be made by Jelsoft and other people presently responsible for maintaining this site. A majority vote in either direction is not the final decision.

The poll may be an indicator, though how well it represents all members is debatable, naturally, because such a low number of votes are cast. Alot of members (on both sides) who would be affected by this haven't come across the thread to be drawn into this discussion.

One stop shopping. I cant follow everyones sigs to find a professional product. This isnt a resource site without them, and VB isnt opensource like linux. Even Postnuke has commercial hack sections and it opensource!!!

A single forum of professional hacks is not gonna cause the site to implode. I have no idea why people could think so.

You really don't think so? Then check out that crippleware thread. :rolleyes:

There will always be problems spilling over that are unique to commercial/paid hacks if they are listed or advertised here. No matter how clearly the disclaimers are worded, that's not going to be enough to avoid real nasty conflicts at this site. Our vb.org staff shouldn't have to monitor the interaction between commercial hackers selling their code/support for a price.. but they'll get dragged into all this nonsense if commercial projects are listed here or advertised here.

Indirectly, this site would play a role and someone could argue that they grant some implied vb.org good seal of approval simply because they allow some hack in question to be sold/advertised here at this site. A member who found that paid hack through this service and who felt somehow that he had been ripped off or defrauded would naturally feel justified in holding vb.org to blame as well as the commercial coder, himself. They could honestly say, "If it wasn't for the fact that I found THAT hack through this forum, I would never have paid for it and installed it."

That isn't truly the case because .org would not screen the hacks before they get promoted here. But no one will be able to convince outraged customers of that.

I think I'll change my mind on this. Shame I already voted. But anyway, thinking about my own experience, some hacks like Journals were readily available but some hacks such as a Portal, Gallery and Links were not so readily available. That entailed searching the threads and posts for links. From there I had to go to the VBadvanced site to buy and download their products. So yes, a commercial hacks section would be convenient and useful in keeping everything in one place and would also separate hacks which have a pay element from those hacks which are free.

If we allow people to rant like that then it will. The crippleware thread was nothing more than an attack on a hack those people dont even use. Nothing less. Personally, people who act like that should be bashed over the head.

Even without the Commercial forums I could still go into the lounge and attack other commercial hacks and get away with it. The only reason people dont is because a few of us call people out. Like the vbadvanced and other arguments.

Vb is commercial, not some opensource freeware internet creation, having a commercial hack section expands the options for professional owners to expand our sites and get dedicated support. Free hack authors here dont have to support anything they code, that can be problematic if you are running business.


So your saying the Service Requests forum should go too? Is it causing this kind of confusion? Sorry, it doesnt hold water.

As of today, I think good quality FOC hacks will be a thing of the past. Those of us that release FOC hacks, help noob's with code and help apprentice coders complete hacks have pretty much had any quid-pro-qou removed today that may have given us a means to make a buck now and then.

I've seen it suggested that we are almost obligated/expected when here to provide that support to gain respect. But I have to ask, to what benefit? vBulletins? This new way the rules will be enforced will hurt the quality of the community for certain!

FOC now means "fecth own code" from where I sit. I no longer have a reason to be here. Thanks for the memories.

No, of course not, Trackpads. Don't take my post and change the meaning to suit your own agenda.

All I'm saying is the same thing others have been telling you all along. The staff at vb.org have enough crap to deal with here already -- without adding even more complaints that they'll get when some paying customer gets angry or some commercial hacker does a lousy job.

Hackers going into business for themselves should take care of their own networking and advertising at their own site. Or maybe if they didn't compete against each other so much in the silly "my hack is better than yours" competitiveness (take competing portals and galleries for example), then maybe they could set up their own site where they centralize their own index to make it easier for everyone.

There're many different ways they can promote their business enterprises without changing the function of this site. Why can't they pursue other options?

AGAIN with the insults and mud-slinging! ENOUGH ALREADY!

You do not have any knowledge of me or my sites or my use of those hacks, so stop presuming and assuming! I said what I had to say in those thread, and you choose to attack me in many other threads. please stop it now!

You best bet is to not reply, the goal seems to get the thread closed.

Good luck.

Ya know, I just thought this through. The rules are still playable. I was just annoyed.

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