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webmaster74 04-18-2012 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by y2ksw (Post 2125608)
Here, as an unofficial addon, you get the autorefreshing page (tested). It needs:

- a text editor;
- a refresh time of your choice (see metatag refresh in file, now at 10 seconds);
- a banner location (see placeholder in file, now at position 0);
- at least a banner for that location;
- a global target of a new page aka _blank (RBS options), else you jump into the iframe;
- a template modification for a 468x60 banner:
HTML Code:

<iframe src="rbs_iframe.php" align="center" frameborder="0" height="60" width="468" scrolling="no"></iframe>
Please note: with smaller banners you get white borders, with larger than the iframe area, they are clipped.

could this be used to add a rel="nofollow" to links??

djbaxter 04-18-2012 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by webmaster74 (Post 2320466)
y2ksw?

What do you think guys?

You don't want to pass all of your PR juice to advertisers, do you?

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Originally Posted by webmaster74 (Post 2320488)
I respect your opinion Videx but beg to differ.

My advertisers paid to display their banners on my site, and they get that.

I don't want to lose my PR to them by providing them with links on every single page

You are laboring under a widespread but nonetheless false understanding of how a page passes PageRank. A link pointing to another page is a "vote" for the destination page and may add PageRank to that destination page. The originating page loses nothing.

The equation for this is:

PR passed = .85 * {PR of originating page} / {total # outgoing links on the originating page, incl. internal navigation links}

Note that using nofollow still counts as an outgoing link in this equation.

webmaster74 04-18-2012 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by djbaxter (Post 2321340)
You are laboring under a widespread but nonetheless false understanding of how a page passes PageRank.

Thank you djbaxter for your kind reply. I appreciate your taking the time to do so.



Quote:

Originally Posted by djbaxter (Post 2321340)
A link pointing to another page is a "vote" for the destination page and may add PageRank to that destination page. The originating page loses nothing.


That is not what I learned. I?d appreciate it if you could sustain your argument with any solid proof from the horse?s mouth (google in this case)

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Originally Posted by djbaxter (Post 2321340)
The equation for this is:
PR passed = .85 * {PR of originating page} / {total # outgoing links on the originating page, incl. internal navigation links}

Dj, such formula, if correct, would not be something that google published. So where does this come from Sir?
I?d appreciate it if you could provide any solid argument on this.

In fact, if that were true, my site should not be at all having any issues with PR because we have literally thousands of back links in facebook group discussions. Facebook as you surely know is a PR9.

My site used to be a PR4 for many years. It recently, in an enigma lost more than half a million of pages in google?s index (as estimated by site:mysite) and dropped to PR2. Despite thousands of back-links on Facebook groups, we are still PR2 and not moving any inch forward. The same can be said about the number of pages in Google index: stable at 150-200K.

Kindly check this where I explain this issue
http://forums.seochat.com/link-popul...rs-457075.html

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Originally Posted by djbaxter (Post 2321340)
Note that using nofollow still counts as an outgoing link in this equation.

Sir, if the nofollow has no effect on your PR, why do big sites such as Facebook add target="_blank" rel="nofollow nofollow" to every single external link?

djbaxter 04-19-2012 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by webmaster74 (Post 2321357)
That is not what I learned. I?d appreciate it if you could sustain your argument with any solid proof from the horse?s mouth (google in this case)

Sure. Look up the original patent for PageRank. It's in there.

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Originally Posted by webmaster74 (Post 2321357)
Dj, such formula, if correct, would not be something that google published. So where does this come from Sir? I?d appreciate it if you could provide any solid argument on this.

See the original patent.

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Originally Posted by webmaster74 (Post 2321357)
In fact, if that were true, my site should not be at all having any issues with PR because we have literally thousands of back links in facebook group discussions. Facebook as you surely know is a PR9.

As you yourself point out below, Facebook links are nofollow so they do not pass PR to you. Besides, there are other factors that may discount whether or how much PR is passed to your page by a link from another site. If you have kept up with Google updates over the years, you would know this.

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Originally Posted by webmaster74 (Post 2321357)
My site used to be a PR4 for many years. It recently, in an enigma lost more than half a million of pages in google?s index (as estimated by site:mysite) and dropped to PR2. Despite thousands of back-links on Facebook groups, we are still PR2 and not moving any inch forward. The same can be said about the number of pages in Google index: stable at 150-200K.

1. Panda updates.
2. Recent additional updates targeting the value of certain types of links and content.
3. As I said, you yourself point out that those Facebook links are nofollow.

This is not rocket science.

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Originally Posted by webmaster74 (Post 2321357)
Sir, if the nofollow has no effect on your PR, why do big sites such as Facebook add target="_blank" rel="nofollow nofollow" to every single external link?

Largely as a spam deterrent. And the target=_"blank" part opens the link target in a new browser tab or window. Nothing to do with PR.

Steve038 04-20-2012 02:23 AM

Hi guys, I just installed this mod, and its great! Well done to the creator of it.

Just one question, and I apologise in advance if this has been covered somewhere in the 123 pages of this thread so far, but I figured it'd be faster to just ask here than look through every page for an answer. Is there some code I can add to give me more margin space between my banner and everything around it? I've used it in ad_navbar_below but my banner is really close to some of the page link text above it, where its easy to accidentally click on the ad banner instead of the page link text. Eg, the ad banner sits really close to where I have: "Forum>my website name>General Discussion, and I'd like to move it down the page slightly.

y2ksw 04-21-2012 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by addamroy (Post 2320240)
Awesome I've been using this, so far so good.

Can i ask a question though?

Is there anyway you can make this addon track clicks even if we don't use an image?

I'd assume if we use an image and a link url, the system will generate a unique link for the ad, that when clicked will add a click to the counter. Is there any way you can have the add-on display this link for us on the manage banner screen so we can put this link into the ad text manually?

The reason I say this is because I use this addon to display text ads, and not banners, but would still be able to track clicks on these ads as well, I believe generating the unique URL for us without requiring an image would be awesome.

You may insert into your text banner the click tracker and refer to the banner id itself. We have talked about it several times here in this thread, last time not too long ago.

y2ksw 04-21-2012 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve038 (Post 2321777)
Hi guys, I just installed this mod, and its great! Well done to the creator of it.

Just one question, and I apologise in advance if this has been covered somewhere in the 123 pages of this thread so far, but I figured it'd be faster to just ask here than look through every page for an answer. Is there some code I can add to give me more margin space between my banner and everything around it? I've used it in ad_navbar_below but my banner is really close to some of the page link text above it, where its easy to accidentally click on the ad banner instead of the page link text. Eg, the ad banner sits really close to where I have: "Forum>my website name>General Discussion, and I'd like to move it down the page slightly.

This is a pure HTML question. You may put a div tag around the placeholder with the necessary margins.

y2ksw 04-21-2012 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by djbaxter (Post 2321340)
You are laboring under a widespread but nonetheless false understanding of how a page passes PageRank. A link pointing to another page is a "vote" for the destination page and may add PageRank to that destination page. The originating page loses nothing.

The equation for this is:

PR passed = .85 * {PR of originating page} / {total # outgoing links on the originating page, incl. internal navigation links}

Note that using nofollow still counts as an outgoing link in this equation.

No matter how hard you try to keep your PR up, it doesn't work any more for already quite some time as it had before, because as far as I know, Google has not renewed their rights on a relative patent held by somebody else.

Also, the "ranking" (i.e. at which position your pages show in searches) is undergoing a lot of changes lately, all of which are favouring real information and penalizing "page rank thiefs".

Under these aspects, follow or nofollow have not a lot of meaning towards ranking, at most it does mean now the real thing: follow or leave that link ;)

y2ksw 04-21-2012 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by webmaster74 (Post 2321357)
Dj, such formula, if correct, would not be something that google published. So where does this come from Sir?
I’d appreciate it if you could provide any solid argument on this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PageRank

It is something which in fact was published world-wide by its inventor :)

The formula is far more complex but essentially the incoming page rank was somewhat (0.85 + adjustment) * (1/(# links on a page)). Thus it was a good idea to have very few links on the originating page.

Talking about most forums and sites, they have so many links on a page that looking for a good ranking was simply impossible.

For this reason, I believe Google has abbandoned the "old" ranking formula and now looks for better ways, giving a lot of SEO masters headache. Fortunately, genuine information is the winner, and always was. Thus, if you want to index your site well, produce real information :)

y2ksw 04-21-2012 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by webmaster74 (Post 2320466)
y2ksw?

What do you think guys?

You don't want to pass all of your PR juice to advertisers, do you?

The outgoing link is just voting that link.

The page from where you advertise from (originator) will loose a little of ranking, but you would loose it with any kind of link, internal or external. However, since ranking has changed, you should concern more about information. Now, good information adds way more rank, than a number or less of links to another site subtracts from.


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