100% finalized I can see. Rough idea at final pricing, not a chance in hell. Maybe I'm wrong... I guess we'll see.

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it is unfortunate to see so much lack of faith on the vb user side of the scope

Well, it seems like vB 4 won't be out for a bit anyways, and then by time they work out everything, it'll be awhile.

yeah

In the first place, I rarely agree on such contracts. And on the second place, these contracts mean nothing in some countries where Laws dont allow this clauses.

i know that in the us they arent

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The one point i would like to bring up is that IB/Jelsoft Legally has to notify all License Holders active or otherwise ahead of time when they plan to change the way vbulletin is licensed. If they dont it brings up a whole legal mess for IB/Jelsoft. At least that is the case in the US where alot of state/federal courts have ordered that changes in a License/Customer Agreement are not enforceable unless the customer is notified in advance.

Whether its fair or not is one of those arguments that not everybody will agree upon or probably even change their minds on. People are already set in their ways of thinking now.

While I look forward to vb 4.0, I probably wouldn't even upgrade or think about it until a stable release is out, compatible mods are available that I need, and I can come to terms with whatever the price may be. That will be much later down the road so its almost a moot point to argue.

edytwinky you make some good points but honestly i just hope they make the right decision before the release so that everyone knows everything in advance weather they agree to it or not

Quite honestly, from my experience of the vBulletin 4 discussions over there, I think a lot of people are really, really exaggerating the point, and getting into all kinds of wild conspiracy theories rather than just going on the information that's actually available.