that is correct nexy I don't post my stuff on the net to get paid. My business and income is in the real world and again you clutch at the straw. Don't assume because I post anything here I make money from it. Again, you speak utter garbage.

I'm not you nexy, don't assume I have some hidden agenda in making money when indeed I make it without the need of the internet. Let's recall back, your word is not gold, nor is it final but I'm sure if I was going to get paid I would rather be paid peanuts than listen to the ramblings of a person who chops and changes on a whim and then tries to correct that in the following post.

I'm one step ahead of you and if I wanted to flame it would be with you you just can't accept another person pointing out the obvious to you so again you clutch at straws in the hope that the Calvary will get me for flaming. Shame on you, I read it perfectly clear.

edit: and oh, learn to backup your claims and statements and refrain from using the same old excuse "you never read it correctly". it's old news nexy.

Nexialys,

You're missing one aspect of releasing free work and that is to promote your commercial services. There is a big audience sent here and while some might click on your signature that means that they have to see it first. So while they are looking for addons, they never hear about you because you don't have any released here. A lot of people aren't going to jump into conversations and say "oh here is a signature link, wonder if they have addons on their site."

Of course this is a generalization and every third-party site is different but that is the way of things.

you are absolutely right Wayne...

but i did not miss that aspect, i just did not talk about it... :) i know i fail from being useful to the community if i do not post my work on vb.org... i know that a lot, because i see people visiting my site asking me to release the work here, and some others who are asking here to see my work (or any hack i taken-over) to be re-released here too...

this is a good statement, not generalization... that was one of the point of discussion when we came with the request to be able to promote third-party sites on vb.org ... nobody know about these, because there is no right to talk about them. (i'm not whinning here, it's a statement)... i personally do my own advertisement elsewhere, or i shut it up... :)

being said, that may be one of the reason why the mods here get ripped... less than the commercial hacks... it's because they are freely accessible from any owner of a vB license, no matter what goal they have in mind. having commercial sites with encrypted versions of their work is harder to rip, but once they are, the nulled versions are spread on the dark side so fast it's dangerous for the author's reputation... nobody goes to buy their product anymore. that's sad.

i'll make something about my releases soon, don't know how, maybe today.. lol

When in doubt agree with wayne. Almost laughable is that.

So 90% of people throughout this thread were either wrong, incorrect or did not read correctly though your now agreeing nexy? Don't get me wrong, I'd like to hear your claims on this bad case of slavery in full description mode?

Totally agree wayne, that's not really going into depth about your previous posts on slavery. I guess we should all pack up and stop supporting our products here? Jelsoft taking the piss out of our good nature for providing free products and support? really nexy I'd like to hear it because throughout this thread you and wayne are about the only people who have been correct and everyone just plainly didn't understand english, again were wrong or just plain paranoid.

I just feel there's no real point in coming out with something then not explaining it.

alright - this back and forth (flaming) need to stop

it's not needed here

I thought I was done with this thread but I guess I want to summarize my thoughts about this subject...then I'm done. Jelsoft benefits more from this site (from a commercial aspect) than those of us who contribute here, that fact is probably indisputable. Not much us commercial providers can do about that. Those that contribute here for reasons not related to making a living are in the same boat those of us that rely on our products to make a living are...your stuff is gonna get ripped (ie; posted on warez sites). This is a given. Whatever your opinion is of warez, it is a fact of life on the internet and nothing here is any more immune from it than anywhere else. The question becomes, do you care? If so, what are you going to do about it? If not, then all of this discussion is moot.

Well done - you Seem to of hit the nail on the head with your comment.
When it comes to warezs its a never ending argument and you usually find out those who shout the loudest are proberly the ones who pirate most everything anyway.
The only way to stop stuff from being pirated is simply dont let it on the internet in any shape of form.(Paid or unpaid)

I was over there yesterday, and not only can you download almost all versions of vBulletin, but it comes complete with a key and fake license number. The admin explained that the license number is to be added "in case their host comes snooping". Exact quote.

They know what they're doing and how to get around stuff. Very well thought out.

The "fake" key-gens do nothing.

I took Nexs' statement exactly as it seems he meant it, he was replying specifically to the comment made about cube. The comment saying if it was free then people would use it. He replied saying of course if it was free people will use it because noone wants to pay people for the work and effort they put into things. He just used a bad analogy comparing it to slave labor. I do not see it as a jab at all people releasing things as free, but a jab at people who always expect something for nothing and do not appreciate the time and effort people put into creating products like cube.

Edit: I am talking about the discussion on the previous page, I did not realize there was another page of replies.