ok i will try

Thank you

Really? Are they browser-based FTP PHP programs? I will need to look at the source code to see how they do it. Can you link to them please?

No, they aren't browser based. At least I don't think they are, in the way you mean it. Total Commander (used to be called Windows Commander) is a file manager and EditPlus2 is a programmer's editor. It, like TC, has FTP support built in. TC's site is:

http://www.ghisler.com

and EditPlus2 can be found at:

http://www.editplus.com/

If an FTP program is not browser-based, it is authenticated using normal FTP so you don't need CHMOD.

For a browser-based PHP FTP program to work, you need to chmod. Trust me, I've investigated this. There are ways to avoid it, but it will not be PHP based.

So there's no way to do the temp file thing then, huh? I am kind of worried about doing everything 777 and leaving it that way. I've never had any problems but I have heard horror stories about it. Is is really that dangerous to do it like that? Do you have it set up like that?

I have a temp directory with stuff in it.. Certain files I edit a lot I chmod 777 too. So far I've had no problems.

But how do you copy them back to where they belong when you get done editing them?

I don't. I use it to store certain files. I chmod certain files that I do edit.

[high]* grog6 clicks INSTALL :)[/high]

This hack doesn't go to any lower directory than where the ftp.php is installed.
I have my forums in a forums directory so it stops there and can't go down to my public_html dir