Jacqui, keep also in mind that if you are running php 5.4.4 only vb 4.2.2 is compatible with that and if you put in your config.php that single line

you will not get any annoying errors

I've worked on several sites that have vB 4.2 installed. If I had a dollar for each time I've had to use the extra code line in config.php - I'd have a fistful of dollars LOL Thanks for the heads up just the same though!

I'm running php 5.3.16 at the moment -- but am thinking of upgrading soon. So I'll keep the version numbers in mind as well.

Thanks Lionel.

J.

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Katie, if you wish to discuss posts on the XF forum, then do so on the XF forum, do not link and replicate them here. Thanks.

To be honest Paul, whilst i'd like to see the differences discussed and peoples unbiased views on the products, this thread has become tiresome with bickering and bitterness, i'd love to see it cleaned up with just the facts and opinions on those facts.

As I stated earlier I have just purchased a xenforo license to have a play with it, i'm a couple of weeks in and it just seems so damn difficult to work with, it's not as intuitive or admin friendly although the front end is nice and clean with a good user experience.

XF's backend is a bit different than vBulletin to be sure. There's a bit of a learning curve you have to conquer before it becomes familiar, second-hand nature.

It's interesting to see different perspectives. I, for instance, find the XF AdminCP quite delightful to work with, especially the styling side of things. And while I am a fan of the vB AdminCP (it's much more intuitive than IPB anyway) - XF's AdminCP just seems more logically put together imo. If I might ask - what are you finding so difficult to accomplish in XF's AdminCP?

J.

Lol, pretty much everything really, I've been with vb since 2005 I think, I had a small dabble with SMF but vb is pretty much all I know. At this moment in time (and I haven't been able to play with it too much) I can hardly do anything, my interest is in coding, with vb you have the plugin system and its pretty straight forward to code for it, as yet I haven't found how to do it in xf. When I wanted to change the look of a forum it seemed as difficult as finding the plugin system ;)

When time allows i'll be able to examine other things that folk have done, add them to my xf installation (its not public it's just for play and coding) and then try and work out how they've done it.

I was quite in the same situation when I started to look into xF. Always worked with vB, and with the plugin system I knew how to get things done quickly. And one really gets used to that... With xF you have to start from scratch, since things indeed are done differently. But once you wrap your head around it (and it did not take me too long to do some basic stuff), it is much more flexible than the plugins. And since the plugins are history with vB5 anyway, I chose to rather invest my time there. What vB5 clearly misses is even the most basic documentation for coders, let alone full-blown articles or tutorials. That's what allowed me to succeed in my first steps with xF, while I'm just confronted with an empty articles section on vB5 here on vb.org, and I have the distinct feeling that even those who should know the software best (the guys at vb.com) have not really worked out how to code addons for vB5.

I've tested XF admin system a while back and i wasn't pleased with its structure at all. What i didn't like

1. I went to test the template system of XF and it was messy for me to play with. Its structure was different than VB. I didn't find it user friendly but all over. http://youtu.be/BeFO1ZUmBCU

2. Then i was curious about user + usergroup and it wasn't like VB at all, they are missing many of VB default functions but that wasn't what i didn't like, the permission style and how it is structure is very limited and very bland when you create a new usergroup.

I wasn't pleased with the admin system at all, now comparing VB 5.x admin system with XF i think VB 5.x has great potentials and beats it, Vb just need to work hard on their features , functions and front-end designs. And most importantly make use of interactive design.

http://youtu.be/YTjlRoLdmxI vs http://youtu.be/4zuj6GZi17Q

I myself have been using vb for 12 years and purchased my first Xenforo license last week. I have been impressed so far. I really like the way things are laid out and organized in the admin panel, contrary to some of the posts I have read. As with any software, there will be a learning curve. I can tell you how to do almost anything, without looking, in the vbulletin acp. That came with time. (I absolutely hate the vb admincp and find it disorganized.) In a few months I know I will be able to do the same thing with xenforo. I really feel that vbulletin dropped the ball by allowing the issues with php5 and vb4 to take so long to resolve. (Still waiting....) I am running the latest STABLE version of php5 and had to hide errors and still need to remove duplicate posts . vBulletin just isn't what it use to be in my opinion. Xenforo offers a solution for those of us who are simply sick of how incompetent the devs for VB appear to be these days.

This isn't true by any means. I've seen Mike's and Kier's coding skills and when comparing VB to XF, VB wins right away and when it comes to requested features, they aren't up front about it. Test them.

Without comparing and contrasting the level of skills of both VB and XF dev team, i will leave this video for fun http://youtu.be/OsT0Sod377I

Seriously, making Mike and Kier sound legend in coding when most probably they aren't that super great, they are good coders but not super great nor that skilled to brag about it, else they should have not stayed with VB for 9 years.