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fly 04-17-2011 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jennifer2010 (Post 2185537)
vBulletin has an "Official Mobile Style" built in now

http://youtu.be/D45CHqjxQzU

There is 0 difference in functionality between a mobile style like this and Tapatalk. Call Tapatalk an app, sure, all it is is a browser unique to forums who have it installed. The difference being a mobile skin is displayed to every single visitor who visits, for free, without having to pay or download anything.

There is actually a ton of difference as far as usability. You wouldn't know, because you haven't bought the app, so you really cant jump to these conclusions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jennifer2010 (Post 2185538)
Ah, here we go!

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/conte...bile-Suite-FAQ

This is exactly what I've been preaching the ENTIRE time. The vBulletin people are not stupid, thank God. Anyone who gets a decent amount of mobile traffic would be nuts to think that offering a paid app is good business. It's completely the opposite. The only time it would be good business is if YOU were the one capitalizing from app sales - not some cheesy app company.



This blows Tapatalk completely out of the water. Ah, such a nice thing to discover. Now I don't have to pay an app developer! W00t!

Except it only works for vBulletin forums. If you have vBulletin forum goers with a smartphone, chances are that a good portion of them already own Tapatalk for other forums.

edit: But in truth, you should install them ALL. Its never a good idea to inhibit your users.

Jennifer2010 04-17-2011 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fly (Post 2185598)
There is actually a ton of difference as far as usability. You wouldn't know, because you haven't bought the app, so you really cant jump to these conclusions.

If you're going to call me out for jumping to conclusions then rebuttal what I said with evidence. If there's a ton of differences as far as usability, what are they? You would think Tapatalk would state these vast differences somewhere
(eg. their website or app store). Unfortunately the only feature list I've been able to dig up is on the app store which goes through a short list of very basic features such as the app supports image uploading, private messaging, etc. All of my users can do that already - they don't need an app to do it. What can a user do with Tapatalk that they can't do with my site already?

Quote:

Originally Posted by fly (Post 2185598)
Except it only works for vBulletin forums. If you have vBulletin forum goers with a smartphone, chances are that a good portion of them already own Tapatalk for other forums.

I get 500+ mobile hits to my site per day. Less than 1% of them have Tapatalk. With the vBulletin app, the app is FREE to your users and BRANDED with your name. I've kept Tapatalk installed and removed the prompt simply because I do occasionally see Tapatalk users hit my site and become members - which as of now is the only advantage I see of keeping it installed.


Quote:

Originally Posted by fly (Post 2185598)
edit: But in truth, you should install them ALL. Its never a good idea to inhibit your users.

So I think in a nutshell this would conclude that:

1. You should have a mobile theme/style on your site
2. Tapatalk is only useful for their database (Yep, you agreed, :p)
3. The custom vBulletin app to give or sell to your users for free is the way to go...

I mean, if a non tapatalk user came to your site - what would you want them to have? $2.99 tapatalk app or your own custom app for free :P

fly 04-17-2011 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jennifer2010 (Post 2185628)
If you're going to call me out for jumping to conclusions then rebuttal what I said with evidence. If there's a ton of differences as far as usability, what are they? You would think Tapatalk would state these vast differences somewhere
(eg. their website or app store). Unfortunately the only feature list I've been able to dig up is on the app store which goes through a short list of very basic features such as the app supports image uploading, private messaging, etc. All of my users can do that already - they don't need an app to do it. What can a user do with Tapatalk that they can't do with my site already?

We can argue about this forever, if you want. Yes, they all function the same. Duh. But I, and obviously many others, prefer the FORM of the Tapatalk app. Use which ever one is easier for you.

Quote:

I get 500+ mobile hits to my site per day. Less than 1% of them have Tapatalk. With the vBulletin app, the app is FREE to your users and BRANDED with your name. I've kept Tapatalk installed and removed the prompt simply because I do occasionally see Tapatalk users hit my site and become members - which as of now is the only advantage I see of keeping it installed.
You can thank me now for the tip on how to remove the javascript. I'm waiting...

Quote:

So I think in a nutshell this would conclude that:

1. You should have a mobile theme/style on your site
2. Tapatalk is only useful for their database (Yep, you agreed, :p)
3. The custom vBulletin app to give or sell to your users for free is the way to go...

I mean, if a non tapatalk user came to your site - what would you want them to have? $2.99 tapatalk app or your own custom app for free :P
1. Duh
2. I never agreed to that. How big was the bus you rode to school?
3. Yes. Along with tapatalk and a mobile theme, etc.

And its not about what I want my users to have. Its about what's most convenient for them. If they would rather use Tapatalk then install 6 different apps to read 6 different forums, then thats what I want them to do.

Jennifer2010 04-17-2011 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fly (Post 2185633)
We can argue about this forever, if you want. Yes, they all function the same. Duh. But I, and obviously many others, prefer the FORM of the Tapatalk app. Use which ever one is easier for you.

Ok so you call me out for jumping to conclusions, then I ask you to provide me with details and all you have to say is "They all function the same. Duh"? That pretty much says it all.


Quote:

Originally Posted by fly (Post 2185633)
You can thank me now for the tip on how to remove the javascript. I'm waiting...

Thank you? Although, you weren't doing it out of the kindness of your heart. More of a poor attempt to try and prove me wrong. That was so sweet of you.


Quote:

Originally Posted by fly (Post 2185633)
2. I never agreed to that. How big was the bus you rode to school?

I was joking (obviously)

Quote:

Originally Posted by fly (Post 2185633)
And its not about what I want my users to have. Its about what's most convenient for them. If they would rather use Tapatalk then install 6 different apps to read 6 different forums, then thats what I want them to do.

If you consider selling a $2.99 Tapatalk app to your users "convenient" then good for you. Unless Tapatalk somehow defies marketing principles, a very small minute portion of your mobile visitors will actually buy the app. It would be absurd to think otherwise.

The only reason this app ever got to where it is today is because at one point it was completely free and had more of a purpose. They piggy backed off that and launched it to paid. This would have never taken off if it had started out that way. Their leverage for both selling the app to users and the idea to forum owners is "10,000 + forums supported!" Why don't you think they haven't updated this thread to reflect the cost of the app to your visitors?

There's a big DUH for you. How big was YOUR school bus?

BirdOPrey5 04-17-2011 09:01 PM

Jennifer2010, if you never used the paid Tapatalk app you really shouldn't try to compare it to a mobile style. I have used both and there is NO comparison IMO, a dedicate app is far superior to a mobile style in usability. It's not something I'm going to try to explain point by point- If you're an admin then spend the $2.99 or whatever is ($1.99 maybe?) on Tapatalk and see for yourself. Consider it an investment.

Now for some more bad news, I fear you are confusing the free vBulletin Mobile Style with the paid vBulletin Mobile App. The mobile style is free, it's quite nice but still it's just a style. It doesn't have the feel of a dedicated app, and you need to use your device's web browser to use it.

The vBulletin Mobile App however is a real competitor to Tapatalk. However it's not free- you (the admin) must pay $99 upfront and then $99 a year to renew the app. You MUST ALSO pay for an Apple Developer account, another $99 a year... ALSO a Google Andoid Developer account. You ALSO need an apple mac computer to compile the app and publish it, it can't be done with a PC or Linux box. I guess you can compile the Google app on any machine. But yeah, you're going to need to compile it yourself so I hope you know what you are doing. ALSO there's no guarantees those fees don't go up in the future.

And one more issue with the vBulletin Mobile App, it is ONLY for Android and iPhone... No support for Blackerry, WebOS, or any other device. Blackberry still has a huge marketshare in the mobile world.

So consider those things too.

Jennifer2010 04-18-2011 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5 (Post 2185766)
Jennifer2010, if you never used the paid Tapatalk app you really shouldn't try to compare it to a mobile style. I have used both and there is NO comparison IMO, a dedicate app is far superior to a mobile style in usability. It's not something I'm going to try to explain point by point- If you're an admin then spend the $2.99 or whatever is ($1.99 maybe?) on Tapatalk and see for yourself. Consider it an investment.

Now for some more bad news, I fear you are confusing the free vBulletin Mobile Style with the paid vBulletin Mobile App. The mobile style is free, it's quite nice but still it's just a style. It doesn't have the feel of a dedicated app, and you need to use your device's web browser to use it.

The vBulletin Mobile App however is a real competitor to Tapatalk. However it's not free- you (the admin) must pay $99 upfront and then $99 a year to renew the app. You MUST ALSO pay for an Apple Developer account, another $99 a year... ALSO a Google Andoid Developer account. You ALSO need an apple mac computer to compile the app and publish it, it can't be done with a PC or Linux box. I guess you can compile the Google app on any machine. But yeah, you're going to need to compile it yourself so I hope you know what you are doing. ALSO there's no guarantees those fees don't go up in the future.

And one more issue with the vBulletin Mobile App, it is ONLY for Android and iPhone... No support for Blackerry, WebOS, or any other device. Blackberry still has a huge marketshare in the mobile world.

So consider those things too.

Yes, I do know that you have to pay for the vBulletin Mobile Suite (as I had stated) and am well aware of the difference between what an app does and what a mobile style does (as I stated).

I have a Macbook Pro so no worries on that, although I find it a weird requirement.

I agree it would be nice to see the vBulletin app on other devices and I believe in the mobile suite FAQ they're already talking about doing that.

TeknoSounds 04-18-2011 09:33 AM

So I hope your donations can cover the $200/yr for the lesser mobile suite...vs just your few people who are doing the 500 hits paying the $2 to buy an app on their smartphone (which they probably already have bought tons of apps like angry birds and such, is $2 REALLY that much?)

Tapatalk ftw.

Jennifer2010 04-18-2011 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeknoSounds (Post 2185921)
So I hope your donations can cover the $200/yr for the lesser mobile suite...vs just your few people who are doing the 500 hits paying the $2 to buy an app on their smartphone (which they probably already have bought tons of apps like angry birds and such, is $2 REALLY that much?)

Tapatalk ftw.

My sites don't run off of donations. Advertisements, affiliate links, paid memberships to name a few. If you don't make a monetary gain off of your site and could care less whether or not you get return visitors, then sure, install Tapatalk. Altough, if people are going to pay $2.99 for a Tapatalk app, why not charge them $2.99 for your own app? Assuming your site would be considered an "Authority" in whatever market you're in and would deserve it's own app. You could charge a dollar for it and you'd need a whopping 200 sales through out the entire year to make up the cost. You could do the same scenario with mobile ads and affiliate offers.

There's a huge difference between free and not free. Read "Predictably Irrational" by Dan Ariely. My goal with my visitors is to make monetary gain off of them and have loyal, repeat users. You're cutting yourself way too short if you think Taptalk will accomplish that for you in comparison to your own free app. And my argument from before was how many people install this app thinking it's free to their users?

No one backing up Tapatalk wants to address that issue. If it's not free for your users, don't say it is. It's false advertising. At the end of the day, Tapatalk is piggy backing off of our efforts - indefinitely - as long as you have their mod installed. (I removed the prompt, though).

You can't argue the comparison between offering Tapatalk and offering your own app. It's apples and oranges. One will grow your business and the other grows theirs. I kept Tapatalk installed for the simple reason I want to keep it there for the people who already have it. No one here is going to make more money selling Tapatalk to their users. And if they did, they'd make a substantial amount more offering their own free app as 100% of every user who wants the app could have it for free, compared to paying for it.

Jennifer2010 04-18-2011 10:16 AM

I'm done arguing and unsubscribing from this thread. Anyone who has a financial stake in their forums would do the smart thing: test. If you don't believe me, test it. Don't think Tapatalk is some how going to benefit you or your users - TEST IT. Don't listen to me or anyone else - look at what the data says. I guarantee you 100% it will coincide with exactly what I've been preaching this entire time.

If you don't have a financial stake in your forums, get your own app and charge for it. See how much money you're throwing away to Tapatalk.

p h o e n i x 04-18-2011 01:25 PM

I followed the install instruction from the homepage, but when i want to verify the installtion, i get "Not Installed: Cannot detect /mobiquo/mobiquo.php. Check this file existence and try again." as message.

I have all the files you've uploaded correctly in your root and also review several times but I do not know what the problem is!

TeknoSounds 04-18-2011 05:04 PM

needs to be in the forum root folder, not the root web folder (unless thats where your forums are).

i.e. mysite.com/forums/mobiquo

p h o e n i x 04-19-2011 05:47 PM

Files from the same root of the first forum to be uploaded!

yellowpeter 04-20-2011 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeknoSounds (Post 2186025)
needs to be in the forum root folder, not the root web folder (unless thats where your forums are).

i.e. mysite.com/forums/mobiquo

Thanks TeknoSounds! :D:D

TeknoSounds 04-21-2011 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yellowpeter (Post 2186676)
Thanks TeknoSounds! :D:D

just doin what I can to help out with what I know ;) glad to be of service.

sticky 04-21-2011 03:32 AM

I really liked this mod but had to uninstall it because it was allowing users to circumvent restrictions.

It seems the way tapatalk allows posts isn't the same way it works when you go through a browser and click reply. If I had an account restricted from posting (not banned, just restricted like X rep points necessary to post), in a browser it would show an error not allowing the post to go up but with tapatalk it would go through anyway.

Indy CTS-V 04-21-2011 02:29 PM

Tapatalks site appears to be down. Cant get the thing to publish to save my life....

I hate aps that waste unneeded time like this. I spent all morning on something that should have taken five minutes...lol....only to FINALLY have them toss a server busy or unavailable message when you hit for forum owners link. Geez.

Hope its not this problematic after I get it up and running.

basilrath 04-21-2011 05:31 PM

Works fine when up and running :)

Alan_SP 04-21-2011 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sticky (Post 2186867)
It seems the way tapatalk allows posts isn't the same way it works when you go through a browser and click reply. If I had an account restricted from posting (not banned, just restricted like X rep points necessary to post), in a browser it would show an error not allowing the post to go up but with tapatalk it would go through anyway.

It sound like you use some mod for this?

I think that TapaTalk ignores many (if not all) mods. If you did this through usergroups and made your promotion system to automatically promote users to more advanced usergroups I think TapaTalk should work just fine.

yellowpeter 04-24-2011 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan_SP (Post 2187211)
It sound like you use some mod for this?

I think that TapaTalk ignores many (if not all) mods. If you did this through usergroups and made your promotion system to automatically promote users to more advanced usergroups I think TapaTalk should work just fine.

Yup.. well said.. we strictly adhere to the built-in vB security system but not so much luck in supporting so many different MOD...

RcHelp 04-26-2011 03:49 AM

Has to be one of the best things since sliced bread. Installed and loving it!

giaguaro 04-26-2011 06:25 PM

installed a 2 weeks ago, but the problem is in the Tapatalk client for nokia: it seems it has some problems.
Black screen, no forum.. :(

yellowpeter 05-03-2011 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RcHelp (Post 2188749)
Has to be one of the best things since sliced bread. Installed and loving it!

Thanks for the encouraging words RcHelp! :D

BF777 05-03-2011 07:06 PM

Anyone else have issues with Blackberry users? Android and iPhone users have reported no issues.

yellowpeter 05-07-2011 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BF777 (Post 2191455)
Anyone else have issues with Blackberry users? Android and iPhone users have reported no issues.

Try this thread - it has the latest working version of Tapatalk BlackBerry app that you can download.

CRDeveloper 05-17-2011 05:50 AM

What's new for 3.1.2 version 11 May 2011?

fly 05-17-2011 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRDeveloper (Post 2196642)
What's new for 3.1.2 version 11 May 2011?

There is a changelog on their site.

SuperTaz 05-17-2011 04:10 PM

I guess this is their changelog:
http://www.tapatalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4104

toon79 05-18-2011 01:36 PM

Will this ever be made to work on symbian phones?

Foxtrotelite 05-21-2011 01:48 PM

when will we get 3.1.2?

CRDeveloper 05-22-2011 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperTaz (Post 2196796)

Thank you dude :)

TR3MORTMPS 06-11-2011 01:39 PM

Can someone help me install this app to my forum ?

Kinda New to all this

Thanks

ProFifaLeagues 06-11-2011 06:32 PM

TR3MORTMPS if you haven't had any Joy i can help you install it tomorrow from 9am Uk time just pm me to let me know if you still need the help mate

TR3MORTMPS 06-11-2011 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rammieone (Post 2206343)
TR3MORTMPS if you haven't had any Joy i can help you install it tomorrow from 9am Uk time just pm me to let me know if you still need the help mate

Thank You

Eq4bits 06-13-2011 01:47 AM

Have been using this for several months, but since the last update (yes the one that fixed the 'latest' posts issue), quotes AS IN " not the quote bbcode... the ones used to indicate 'speech' or 'dialogue'... are not parsing. They are displaying in posts as
Quote:

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siriuxs 06-15-2011 08:21 AM

Hi, I have download and install the last update 3.1.5, but if I Verify Installation Status, it's notify me that "Installed but not up-to-date, please install the latest update before publishing your network to Tapatalk"

Why? Excuse me for bad english...

yellowpeter 06-20-2011 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eq4bits (Post 2206915)
Have been using this for several months, but since the last update (yes the one that fixed the 'latest' posts issue), quotes AS IN " not the quote bbcode... the ones used to indicate 'speech' or 'dialogue'... are not parsing. They are displaying in posts as

We are looking into this issue...

indoc0der 06-28-2011 05:14 AM

is it work for 4.1.4? i has been install it but fail to activate. can you help me?

Stefan118 06-30-2011 01:19 PM

Grrrrr, tapatalk does NOT work on my nokia.
Installed, can search forums, found results, but it won't show something to click on.
Does someone has a working tapatalk app. for a Nokia N97 (mini)?

hlstriker 06-30-2011 08:01 PM

Tapatalk doesn't seem to work correctly with the vBulletin 4.1.4 table feature. It's showing the tables source code instead.

Habsy 07-01-2011 02:29 PM

I have had many requests for this but need to know if it is stable for 4.14. By the sound of things it is not.


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