to that effect, you would (or should) buy a new license every time you create a subforum and put a moderator in charge of it!

The license doesn't automatically get voided just because one party decides so; it gets voided in instances of breach. That's why we have licenses - if it were just a case of "do whatever Jelsoft says" then why have a license at all? Why bother writing one and getting people to agree to it? That's the whole point of licenses: so that both parties are clear as to their obligations.

I'm not using the hack, so it's almost immaterial to me other than an intellectual excercise. However, if I were using it, and Jelsoft were to to tell me that doing so was a "breach" of the license, I would challenge that - because it's not. I certainly wouldn't stop using it.

Jelsoft would then need to test their license in court - and I'm positive that they would not succeed in such a test.

That all said, I think I'm going to bow out of this conversation as it doesn't affect me. I'm really just sticking my nose into other peoples' business. :)

ok hopefully the last post on the subject.

how many of the subforum sites members will actually contribute to your community, will you run a community or just let your subforums make use of your license, how active a roll will you play in the subforums, how much input will you have into the subforums, what about moderation, will that be based on global rules? what if one of the sub-forums is something that you didn't envisage, how much of the content are you going to check to make sure it doesn't void your license? what will the subforums communitys be called? and will the members of said subforums even know you exist?

exactly..

and then trying to pimp your own hack in a thread relating to a discussion of another is downright tasteless, at best, and stupid at worst..

there is no license violation, there is no issue this hack generating revenue vB itself won't see.. there is no issue.. the only issue existing is the fact people want something they now can't get due to someones idealistic view of something that isn't even said in the vB license.. zachaery/faranth/whatever he's called claiming this to be on par witht he lockdown hack is not only stupid, it's idiotic.. they are not even on the same level of hack nor with the same "possible" intention.. sabretoothe jumping on this like it's hot wax for anal hair and praising something not in the LA and then pimping his own upcoming hack is just as rediculous..

now, if a decision is to be made.. make it.. putting this kind of thing off is not only wrong for the forums, it wrong for the creator, users and wanna-be installers of this hack or any other facing this same decision..

this is, at this point, getting intolerable to see everything run amuk and no one caring on the upper levels enough to stop all of it and deal with it in a very reasonable manner.. if users want, deal with the users, even if they can't have.. don't put this stuff off and then pass it off as having no time.. if you have no time, don't disrupt in the first place..

Thank you, you are writing exactly what I'm thinking...

please don't take it so seriously, if i release my hack it won't even be for another 6-8 months at best and that's if i release it! (i still have to learn to code first :() obviously my boyant mood isn't compatible with vb.org members today :(

[high] * sabret00the shall edit the tasteless post in question.[/high]

Another thing, could someone please tell me what this lockdown hack you all talk about is/was? Seems I wasn't here that time...

the lockdown hack is "you must post in order to see the content of this thread" basically like a register in the thread.

I have a hammer in my garage. That hammer was purchased from Home Depot with the implied agreement that I would use it to hammer things. If I use it to prop open a door, have I violated the terms of that agreement?

Furthermore, that hammer can do alot of great things. IMAGINE IT! I could build a house with that hammer! I could make a birds house for sick little birds...I might even use it to hang a picture next to my computer! But then again, I could also use it to build a shell casing for a weapon of mass desctruction. I could use it to bludgeon the head of a person I don't like anymore. I could use it to destroy my house, instead of improve upon it.

The point here is that damn near everything in this world can be used for good or evil. What gives any organization the right to tell us how to use the product we purchase from them? Banning a hack like this would be like the US Government saying that there is a mandatory 5 day waiting period on aluminum tubing because they *might* be used in the process of enriching uranium.

I understand that Jelsoft is interested in protecting their product, but there is a fine line between protectionism and isolationism...

damned! I totally agree. Nice story btw.

I have a copy of this hack and i'll wait till the first stable is out or when jelsoft made their decision (whatever comes first :D)