They love the attention and could care less about all these attempts. If they could be shut down or even hassled, they would have been long ago. You folks are pissing up a rope, so to speak ;)

they are not "skilled pirates", they are skilled coders who were deceived by vb.org ... this is different. the real pirates, the ones who hack softwares, there is none there... nullifying vB takes 30 seconds for anybody who ever take a look at the code, it does not need any skill to do so, any coder on vb.org can do it eyes closed.

there is more than just vbteam where you can find skilled vb coders, but they usually work for bigger projects than their own sites... there is some good companies that offer customization of your forum, and most of the time, when you see a skilled coder leave vb.org it is because they are hired by big companies that need their work 24/7...

By saying skilled I mean they are not just some dumb idiots who just steal the stuffs from here and run a site. They seem to have knowledge about what they are sharing in their just like vb.org.

To me that site looks like vb.org except that they have a different forum style and less traffic when compared to vb.org of course.

and all the "clients" are leechers who have not a single knowledge about how to manage a forum... at least, the licensed members at vb.org buy their software, they usually have a minimum of goals when opening a forum...

My guess is that people have tried and failed taking them down, and I'm pretty sure at least some of vB.orgs rules are being violated by just talking about them, but heres my 2cents.

Sure they copy the skins and hacks released here, but that just means more publicity for you, I think that they leave copyrights and linkbacks intact, and I'm pretty sure that they click installed on the mod/skin.

As far as I can see, they don't 'null' vBulletin, they merely redistribute copies nulled by other groups... and to null one copy of vBulletin, you must first buy it, so vBulletin is gaining a little money, surely.

They are organised, as far as I can see, and I see that they have the same type of questions that are found here, in the general discussion area, and they offer the same advices.

If this was all they did, offer vBulletin support and hacks, would they not be the same as vB.org?

Just wondering, and not defending them or anything.

Distributing nulled versions of vBulletin is illegal and can end up costing you large fines or land you in prison. So yeah, a little different than here.

Note that.

That generally translates as:

"If they weren't distributing nulled vB, but just the hacks and support and skins found on vBulletin.org, wouldn't they be the same type of site?"

they are not the same type of site for one reason: the members are not privileged to receive support... they are there because they are too poor to pay for the service, so they do not deserve the same interest from the guys who have the talent there... the real coders there who help the others are not "really" interested to help, they do it "for the cause"... which is pointless when your goal in life is to go higher.

everything is a question of perception.

Just another excuse for stealing IMHO. I'm pretty damn poor, and I manage the $60 a year.

I'm going to be quite blunt, if I typed half the thoughts in my head down I would be banned on the spot. That kind of little self justification running around in your heads even on it's lowest level appraising in some parts and being a bit spiteful and witty in others honestly in my opinion is what's wrong with this world. It's wrong no matter how you say it or laugh about it in between the lines. Go there and download a mod someone has hidden something in... go ahead, I hope you enjoy then come running back here posting about being hacked. Now tell me in several long paragraphs how you don't need to be lectured or how that can't happen because you did this or you know this, none of you who posted seem to know enough to make a loud voice in this thread, I can't hear you :erm: :confused: :erm:

Edit: And for the punks on that site, if they had half a clue and were trying to help the community or "your" community they would be here contributing, now chew on that the lot of ya'.