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Revan 11-23-2005 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris M
Firstly - Re-read the threads concerning this - Some users are interpreting this as vBulletin.org hosting the mods and support... My annoying behaviour as you wish to call it is part of what I am trying to get accross - Explaining that scenario is not likely to happen, and as some users even on this page of this thread have already asked or pondered about is the case of everything being here...
You made it sound like you were one of those people you mentioned. That's why I said what I said. And because of
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My own personal opinions are that something like that would be good but I am fearful of it destroying what sense of community we have left here, something these threads have already proven is at risk...
, I apologise.
I do believe that if such a directory WAS introduced, even just for a trial run, the users who misunderstood might realise that it's not what they thought, and be OK with it.
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Secondly - Just because you state that they'd have nothing to do with vBulletin.org does not make it so; We already get several threads a week about another product relating to vBulletin not working, asking for support, or just bad-mouthing the author of it...

Do you honestly think that would stop just because we say it isn't anything to do with us? We already say what currently goes on is nothing to do with us; We already say not to post questions in release forums; We already ask people to search for mods and hacks and ask the hack author if they will port to 3.5 instead of creating a thread about if first, but they still do not listen...

By having links here people will assume that this site has a level or responsibility and connection to any site listed, and as such these kinds of misplaced threads will increase in quantity...
I can't say much about this as I have not seen any such threads, but I suggest appointing one or two new moderators, whose sole job would be to find, answer with a "we are not affiliated" quick entry like that unlicenced one, and close the thread.
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And again, for a final point here - Revan, I've been discussing this before you got involved, publically and in private accross many mediums (not just limited to vB.org), and the consensus is that in a perfect world that idea that you have annoyingly (:p) repeated has been suggested numerous times... It's not that I don't get it, I really do...

What you forget is that while you can sit there and back your idea because it's the best thing since sliced bread, I cannot - I, like every other staff member here, have to look at the bigger picture, and examine every possible outcome that such a change could cause...

So please - Don't try and insult me for trying to make things clearer for those readers who don't understand what this is about, and for also covering all bases and doing my job here...
Again I apologise, it was my own ignorance at fault. Now that I hear you say it, it's bloody obvious that you had to consider every side and argue for and against both sides.

So yeah, Im gonna go over there, and...
:p

Boofo 11-23-2005 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Revan
I can't say much about this as I have not seen any such threads, but I suggest appointing one or two new moderators, whose sole job would be to find, answer with a "we are not affiliated" quick entry like that unlicenced one, and close the thread.
It will never be that easy if they are allowed here. Like Chris said, we get some every week that are angry or upset with a hack they have paid for and think we should be able to do something about it. Saying we are not affiliated and convincing the general population of that is 2 different things. Deniability doesn't work very often in this case.

Brad 11-23-2005 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Revan
I can't say much about this as I have not seen any such threads, but I suggest appointing one or two new moderators, whose sole job would be to find, answer with a "we are not affiliated" quick entry like that unlicenced one, and close the thread.
We bring new staff in when we feel the need to do so. It's highly unlikely that we would bring someone in just to do such a thing. Begin staff here takes a lot more then running around closing threads in the public forum. We look for people who we feel will help the overall team effort, be it helping to code new additions or taking part in discussions dealing with improving the site and helping shape the rules this community operates under.

Chris M 11-23-2005 01:48 PM
@Revan - Apology accepted :)

And part of the reason you don't see many is we dispose of them as soon as we find them or they are reported ;)

Chris

The Geek 11-23-2005 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Boofo
So what you are saying here is if they don't agree with you in wanting it and are against it, they shouldn't say anything as they will have no voice?

What doesn't sound right about that statement? ;)
Bloody hell Boofo, I thought you had grown tired of twisting my words about ;)

What I said was to create a poll for those that felt .org should have a commercial information resource. The purpose of the poll would be to identify which direction those that agreed with the concept felt it should take. There is already a poll HERE for people to say whether or not they want it here (one in which the Yay's are at this point winning). In fact, there is already a discussion on the topic (here). I was hoping to get a FRESH discussion going and your attitude to the situation wont change that. :)

Thanks :D

Chris M 11-23-2005 02:12 PM
The poll changed overnight - Initially it started out more for it, then for a large period there were more against it, and now it's gone back to more for it - Therefore on average, against is winning...

Either way it's not the landslide lead I think some people expected to have, is it...

Chris

The Geek 11-23-2005 02:20 PM
Yea, ive watched it pretty closely however I think I can honestly say that its been more for for the vast majority of the time (I would say 90% of the time).

Regardless, the whole point seems to be missed - its not just a popularity contest, its a feeler to see if people want an avenue for more information or if Boofo was right when previously saying that only a few people wanted it.

Anyhooo - how can anyone be so bothered about it?
Why not start up another poll and another thread with lots of options on how to keep commerical information off of .org? ;)

Boofo 11-23-2005 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by The Geek
Bloody hell Boofo, I thought you had grown tired of twisting my words about ;)

What I said was to create a poll for those that felt .org should have a commercial information resource. The purpose of the poll would be to identify which direction those that agreed with the concept felt it should take. There is already a poll HERE for people to say whether or not they want it here (one in which the Yay's are at this point winning). In fact, there is already a discussion on the topic (here). I was hoping to get a FRESH discussion going and your attitude to the situation wont change that. :)

Thanks :D
I didn't twist anything. I just quoted what you said, word for word. Read it again. ;)

Wayne Luke 11-23-2005 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Revan
I can't say much about this as I have not seen any such threads, but I suggest appointing one or two new moderators, whose sole job would be to find, answer with a "we are not affiliated" quick entry like that unlicenced one, and close the thread.
Could also open an entirely new market for coders wishing to take it on as well.

If there were commercial listings allowed it wouldn't be restricted to programming products but would allow styles and services to be advertised as well.

The tricky part would be handling complaints because they will happen.

The Geek 11-23-2005 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by boofo
I didn't twist anything. I just quoted what you said, word for word. Read it again. ;)
fair enough - I think you got me this time :)

Anyhooo - thats what I meant. I didnt see a reason to create another thread about the same debate, rather a thread that was focused on 'if it happens, this is how I feel it would work best'.

In the end, it may make a difference, however it could also provide a good source of constructive feedback that could help Jelsoft see an area they hadnt taken into account.

Maybe we should start a poll to see if we should start the poll :rolleyes:


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