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michaelbenson 06-02-2006 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Psionic Vision
And I strongly suggest that you read through a thread before posting, as you, judging from your post, have no slightest idea of what's going on.
Regardless, Gary has a point. By creating these numerous threads taunting the already sensitive idea of what the general criteria to become a staff member is, you are doing nothing to formulate and build a community, more so you are dividing it between those who are in favour of a forum run by the staff, and those who want the forum "ran" by the contributors.

GaryP 06-02-2006 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Psionic Vision
And I strongly suggest that you read through a thread before posting, as you, judging from your post, have no slightest idea of what's going on. That includes both the reasons for this thread and what was posted by others (staff and non-staff) afterwards.
The reson for the thread was that you want to vote for staff members so that you and your pals get on staff and people that you don't like dont.

The staff got involved when you started attacking a member of staffs right to be on the team.

From there it desecended into anarchy.

This is a lot of little children who are throwing their toys out of the pram and just making themselves look like people who should not even be allowed near a computer.

Dean C 06-02-2006 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Boofo
Without the builders, where would the architect be? They both are equally important and need one another.
That has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm trying to say. A builder is not a designer. He has absolutely no creative input on the construction or design of a building. I digress, and to bed I go.

akanevsky 06-02-2006 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by michaelbenson
Regardless, Gary has a point. By creating these numerous threads taunting the already sensitive idea of what the general criteria to become a staff member is, you are doing nothing to formulate and build a community, more so you are dividing it between those who are in favour of a forum run by the staff, and those who want the forum "ran" by the contributors.
Can you suggest a better way of doing it, considering what I already said about private conversations a few posts above?

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Originally Posted by Dean C
That has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm trying to say. A builder is not a designer. He has absolutely no creative input on the construction or design of a building. I digress, and to bed I go.
Hambil, "The building has to hold up under stress"? A building drawn on paper certainly won't hold up.
It is the architect's job to actually pile the bricks. Once again, however, this has nothing to do with the thread.

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Originally Posted by GaryP
The reson for the thread was that you want to vote for staff members so that you and your pals get on staff...
That statement proves that you have not read the thread. You have not even throughly read the first post... Pity, provided the important parts are highlighted in bold.

Boofo 06-02-2006 10:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by michaelbenson
Regardless, Gary has a point. By creating these numerous threads taunting the already sensitive idea of what the general criteria to become a staff member is, you are doing nothing to formulate and build a community, more so you are dividing it between those who are in favour of a forum run by the staff, and those who want the forum "ran" by the contributors.
Well said, sir. ;)

Dean C 06-02-2006 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by GaryP
This is a lot of little children who are throwing their toys out of the pram and just making themselves look like people who should not even be allowed near a computer.
Questioning someone's authority is by no means a reason to comment on their maturity. It's funny how easy it is for people to throw maturity comments around thesedays, when it's often those who make the comments who are the ones being childish.

However I agree with what's been said; this thread has gone slightly off topic and my opinion has been stated already.

MPDev 06-02-2006 10:22 PM
In difference to everything else that has been said, I fully support a site owners right to pick whomever they please to represent and moderate their site. The people who pay the bills are not accountible to anyone here, IMO; so hire who you think will do the best job and I'll continue to contribute in a meaningful way.

You can't please everyone here, so pick a path and follow it.

akanevsky 06-02-2006 10:23 PM
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those who want the forum "ran" by the contributors.
You are misunderstanding the point. Not "ran" by contributors, but contributed to by a small number of elected staff members... I can't believe it is so hard to understand.

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In difference to everything else that has been said, I fully support a site owners right to pick whomever they please to represent and moderate their site. The people who pay the bills are not accountible to anyone here, IMO; so hire who you think will do the best job and I'll continue to contribute in a meaningful way.
I agree, but elections do not prevent a site's owner from making the final decision.

MPDev 06-02-2006 10:28 PM
I would suggest that elections would open up a whole new can of worms, but thats just my opinion. I would say that you could make recommendations in private, but decisions on how a site is run should fall to the owners.

I would simply ask all of you who own sites consider if these types of policies would be acceptible to your forums.

When I hire employees for my companies, I don't mind letting them get interviewed by their peers who will be working with them and getting feedback, but I make the final call on who gets hired and its not open for a vote.

(Edit: I'm not knocking your idea, maybe just an issue of choice of words is all.)

Boofo 06-02-2006 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MPDev
I would suggest that elections would open up a whole new can of worms, but thats just my opinion. I would say that you could make recommendations in private, but decisions on how a site is run should fall to the owners.

I would simply ask all of you who own sites consider if these types of policies would be acceptible to your forums.

When I hire employees for my companies, I don't mind letting them get interviewed by their peers who will be working with them and getting feedback, but I make the final call on who gets hired and its not open for a vote.

(Edit: I'm not knocking your idea, maybe just an issue of choice of words is all.)
Where do I sign up? ;)


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