Shelley is there are changes to V4 then i'm sure they would of been well thought off and tested many months ago, For the life of me i can't understand when 4 guys leave its all panic stations, I've said stated before why worry and lose sleep until we see the finished product, I can't judge someone or a company without seeing the final result, why assume when all could be going really well?

As you state 3.7 and 3.8 + are practically all the same and you hope v4 won't be, well lets just say it is, then you'll be saying good riddance to the 4.

Lets all just keep Calm, and not knock anything until V4 comes out, its always easy to speculate even if your wrong now.

Personally i don't see what all the fuss is about and we've not had any members thats spent 10s of thousands of $/? on their forums voice any concern, because they know that rumors and scare mongering will do more damage in the long run.

Just my 2c worth ~ Don't hate me for it :)

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Sorry Buddy, your too far gone, I'm gonna need to put you on an island with Amy Winehouse for a few months :D:D

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/external/2009/06/37.jpg

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hahahaha I'm better of going with Mick Jagger !! she looks like him in certain ways.:D

Ditto

I don't hate you for giving your 2 cents worth Uk just like I'm sure you won't hate me for giving my 2 cents worth. which I will (just not right now It's getting late) and that image of amy whinehouse as suddenly made me feel like I've entered an episode of spitting image.


Unless you have access to license credentials how would you know that? I know of scores of big board admins that spend more than 10s of thousands you really need to put those doubts aside. Marketing, research, hiring, outsourcing etc the list goes on all of them relying and making a living from vbulletin. I'm sure as a business man you know that already.

Anyway, I won't get into that with you but I'd go as far as saying there are 100s of thousands of pounds involved with regards to business people that rely on vbulletin.

Anyway, my point in this thread originally was, you need to stop making the accusations that people are scare mongering, they have a right to be concerned and discuss it just as much right as you have in attempting to calm them down stating everything will be alright.

And please don't hate me too much for my 2 cents worth either uk. :)

Yes and to reiterate Brent's point a few pages back, many of them have legitimate concerns about the possiable conflict of interest that Internet Brands and vBulletin poses. Internet Brands is in a position to manipulate the market that best fits the needs of forums they already own.

Brent also brings up a good point about the Google Adsense integration. I'm not entirely sure how that helps vBulletin make money. There doesn't seem to be any real explanation as to why they added it and the doc link they give you doesn't seem to work:

http://www.vbulletin.com/docs/html/adsense_integration.

Downloading a separate vBulletin altogether seems a bit counter intuitive if you ask me, and I don't like the idea of vBulletin and Internet Brands being able to obtain even a limited amount of my adsense information. I find that to be very alarming, especially if you have a competing forum.

The original staff leaving vBulletin isn't all that surprising to me. They probably had everyone under contract to stick around and help with the changing of ownership. But once that contract is up, they can cash their checks and leave, which I think is fine but a little transparency would have helped a great deal. Censoring your customers doesn't help either.

In any case, I'm skeptical about vBulletin's future. I had high hopes that vBulletin 4 was going to be coded using standard MVC and OOP practices, but from what I have seen and read, that isn't going to be the case.

I've put over $10,000 into my Mustang Forum easy. It's probably approaching $20,000. So I feel like I am stuck now with no viable ways to leave vBulletin that doesn't waste all that money and hard work and set me back.

Why would you want to leave VBulletin ?? :eek: Just because 4 blokes left ???

Did you not read any of my previous posts?

I did have a quick Glance but all thats been said is simply speculation, i know 4 guys have left but why assume that they are the best VB coders ever and that no one can even replace them.

I'm sure VB.com has explained whats happened, Its up to them to fill us in with any updates.

Adding pages of doom and gloom here don't do anyone any justice. I'm not taking anything in from this thread as when VB.com are ready to explain the next step i'm sure they will let all their customers know. I've been in business many years to learn never go by speculation, sometimes what might appear drastic will not be more than basic business acumen.

Have you heard any new news from the VB.com camp?? :)

Did You bother reading Kens post UK. Facts in there, no speculation. bamasomething stated he put 10,000 in closer to 20,000 (like i stated in the post where i said people have ploughed 10s of thousands, to which you said and we've not had any members thats spent 10s of thousands of $/? on their forums voice any concern There's a couple in this thread right now and I can name 20 more who I've worked with who's spent more. You really need to start reading before replying uk.

So, your speculating yourself. The whole problem is communication and the lack of (try reading at vb.com) lack of.

It's clearly showing now it's doom and gloom for you. People are expressing their concerns which I did say to you earlier UK. But I guess you glanced at what I wrote also and read what you wanted to read. Again, I'm not concerned, but other people who have ploughed 10s of thousands into their forums and make a living from vbulletin are concerned (granted not all) but enough to be a concern to IB.