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Logikos 05-15-2006 05:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul M
Huh ?

Just exactly what am I searching for ways out of ?? I PM'd you and asked if this thread was about my code and you flatly refused to answer. Even now it's not actually been stated anywhere that this is about my auto install link code, it's been left to us to work it out. You avoid and bluster like a politician when asked to confirm a simple question - was this about my code or not.

Do you see me deny that that I included this in a few hacks last month ? No. Did it break any rules, No. In fact, had it worked 100% correctly the only thing it would do is make the install count a little more accurate, since it only got called if you installed it (not downloaded it) - and it clicked uninstall if you removed it (how many people do that manually ?)

You state that you have been discussing this for weeks (it's only existed for five weeks !) yet no one once actually bothered to contact me once - instead you wait a few weeks and post a massive thread which has a tone like the end of the world has just arrived. Talk of nonsense like loopholes, security threats, and the like - none of which has any relevance to my two lines of code.
The staff didn't handle this as they should have. The first thing that should have been done was to contact you!

Why is the staff so scared to state that this is ALL about Paul and a few others adding the 2 lines of code to the install link? I've already confirmed that it was in private, why can't you just tell everyone else.

Bro_Joey_Gowdy 05-15-2006 05:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Princeton
But, that's not the case here.
Exactly.

:cool:

sabret00the 05-15-2006 05:22 PM
Cause (going off of what Princton said) this is way bigger than we think, however cross referencing that information with Marco's post, i'm inclined to think that people are actually requesting usage statistics, i also wouldn't rule out the vBsoccer hack.

Either way, it's been discussed to death now, we've seen how it should've been done. how it was actually done and they don't look the same, lesson learned for next time. nothing more can be done (bar the HOTM being restored).

Logikos 05-15-2006 05:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sabret00the
Cause (going off of what Princton said) this is way bigger than we think, however cross referencing that information with Marco's post, i'm inclined to think that people are actually requesting usage statistics, i also wouldn't rule out the vBsoccer hack.

Either way, it's been discussed to death now, we've seen how it should've been done. how it was actually done and they don't look the same, lesson learned for next time. nothing more can be done (bar the HOTM being restored).
Quoted for truth. ;)

amykhar 05-15-2006 05:32 PM
Ya know, if Paul hadn't posted in the thread, his name never would have come up as being the offender. Personally, I had way more issues with the way another coder snuck the install click in on his template mods disguised as products, but managed to forget to have it automatically click the uninstall button when the product was uninstallled.

Staff handled this pretty fairly, I think.
1. They posted a warning, allowing offenders to clean up their code before being called out on it.
2. They pulled the hotmod from voting for a bit to prevent people from losing their votes if some mods are pulled from the poll.

I think both actions were pretty darn reasonable. I would have gone straight for a public calling out of offending code and skipped the polite notice.

MPDev 05-15-2006 05:36 PM
Slippery slope that opens the door to others adding seemingly 'innocent' links without explaining them to the end users. I couldn't begin to compete the thousands of emails I got over the years about my little signature sign that confused people as to just what was being collected and why:

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/external/2006/05/10.jpg

Once you open the door to this kind of behavior, it opens a can of worms that suggests calling other scripts which installing your mods are also acceptible.

Lesson learned on my signature, that it makes sense to you doesn't mean it won't freak out alot of others.

Logikos 05-15-2006 05:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by amykhar
Staff handled this pretty fairly
Thats an understatement if I ever heard one. You say that because you are staff. The staff handled this very poorly.

They knew about this weeks in adavanced. They should have PMed all the offending users to let them know about the new rule soon to come. They stated them selfs that there are only a few users who had broken this upcoming rule. So it woudn't be so hard to PM them before this thread was made. If they would have done that and worded this thread diffrently, I bet a years salary that this wouldn't have escalade to what it is now.

From my time here and noticed Paul, I'm confident to say that he and others would have removed the code with out much fuss. Then the whole HOTM issue would have never even had come up, because then they wouldn't be breaking this new rule.

No one was breaking any rules prior to this thread. Stefan stated this himself for crying out loud.

peterska2 05-15-2006 05:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiveWire
Thats an understatement if I ever heard one. You say that because you are staff. The staff handled this very poorly.
Amy staff? Nope.

www.vbulletin.org/forum/showgroups.php

see for yourself. :)

Chris M 05-15-2006 05:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiveWire
Thats an understatement if I ever heard one. You say that because you are staff. The staff handled this very poorly.
Amy isn't staff actually :)

She's just teh coolies :D

Chris

Logikos 05-15-2006 05:43 PM
Anyone with permissions to the private staff forums is considered some sort of staff to me. Showgroups doesn't display all users with moding rights peterska2. Surly you should have known that.


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