Its Real High Time vB.org upgrades to vB 3.5.0 [Archive]

Neutral Singh

09-30-2005, 11:55 AM

Now that vB 3.5.0 is released, its real high time vb.org too upgrades its website. One of the major reasons is the newposts managmeent system. Presently, its very difficult to visit this website and review 250 posts in various forums at one strech. And, if in case you can not go through all posts or close down the browser or are disconnected, there is no way to review all those posts made since your last visit.. Neither there is any facility to view posts during last 2-3 days or last week or even last month. New version makes this task much much easier. I think vb.org should consider upgrading soon.

nexialys

09-30-2005, 11:57 AM

Neutral Singh

09-30-2005, 12:05 PM

Hey!! Are you the Moderator or an Admin around here? I am not pushing or anything. And, if you are pushed, then please dont respond. Simple? Eh? ;)

Enjoy!!

Andreas

09-30-2005, 12:13 PM

Xenon currently is on holiday .. as he is master of the code here, we surely won't upgrade before he is back :)

Marco van Herwaarden

09-30-2005, 01:45 PM

And even after that, we still have a lot of custom modifications to upgrade/create/test. I don't expect it in less then 2-3 weeks.

thenetbox

09-30-2005, 01:48 PM

No hurry to upgrade this site in my opinion. It's functioning well as it is :)

Paul M

09-30-2005, 01:50 PM

Erwin

09-30-2005, 10:52 PM

Xenon currently is on holiday .. as he is master of the code here, we surely won't upgrade before he is back :)

That's the reason we are waiting. :) He's the one who knows all the code changes done here and have been making the changes in a test 3.5 forum already. Plus we haven't completely finished the 3.5 hack database hack yet.

3.5 Gold came out earlier than expected, as I am sure all of us agree. :) Caught me by surprise!

bigcurt

09-30-2005, 11:37 PM

Yes, I was thinking atleast 1-2 more RC's..but I guess there confident :)

~Curt

Logikos

10-01-2005, 12:52 AM

Can't wait, take you time :)

Guest190829

10-01-2005, 12:57 AM

Can't wait, take you time :)

Agreed. :)

Kirk Y

10-01-2005, 12:59 AM

I can't wait till AJAX post editing... I'm spoiled on my board, and then I come here and I'm like, "Ugh... page load."

Brad

10-01-2005, 02:50 AM

It's a work in progress, shouldn't be to long before we see 3.5.0 here :)

Tony G

10-01-2005, 07:52 AM

We'd rather see everything working (and all the new features we want) on an upgrade, so that would include the hack database and many of the suggestions you guys made in the past week that we said we'd consider when we were upgrading to 3.5. :)

theArchitect

10-01-2005, 11:01 AM

It's a work in progress, shouldn't be to long before we see 3.5.0 here :)

I look forward to it.

For me the most important thing about a forum is content. I use QR for 98% of my posts so Ajax here would be useful, but at the end of the day I am not really phased so long as I can continue to get hot mods.

MJM

10-01-2005, 01:35 PM

Xenon - Admin on holidays ...
Tempted to try this at my site, but ...
- would I return?
- what state of affairs would I be returning to? :nervous:

I hope Xenon ports This (https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?p=782099#post782099) to 3.5 first.

I can't upgrade till I've got this, and seeing vB.org in the same shoes I'm in makes me less envious ;)

~ Mark

Snake

10-01-2005, 03:44 PM

Xenon is THE man in here! Go, go, go! :D

Erwin

10-01-2005, 11:36 PM

MGM

10-01-2005, 11:42 PM

I, myself, am awaiting for vb.org to upgrade to 3.5 before becoming active. I can't stand going to a high-traffic forum without 3.5's read mark system anymore :p

*waits patiently*

MGM out

theArchitect

10-01-2005, 11:42 PM

The templates are all ready (thanks to Brad), the plugins are all done (thanks to Xenon)... it's a matter of finishing up the hack database (Marco is doing that) and then when Xenon comes back, upgrade time.

Sorry for the possibly obviously silly question, but what is the database hack? I must have missed the posts about it.

I ran a quick search but nothing specific seemed to come up.

Andreas

10-01-2005, 11:46 PM

A Database style frontend for searching/viewing hack releases.

Marco van Herwaarden

10-02-2005, 06:17 AM

Well it is basically nothing more then a configurable attribute database, that you can attach to threads. Fully searchable ofcourse.

Snake

10-02-2005, 11:21 AM

Err one thing. Are we allowed to post feedbacks and suggestions for the database hack? I'm pretty sure the staff will like our future suggestions.

Marco van Herwaarden

10-02-2005, 01:28 PM

Well there is not much to give feedback about, since there is nothing for members to see yet.

Besides it has already been discussed many times what members would like to see.

Snake

10-02-2005, 01:37 PM

I wonder if we can take a sneak peak at the database hack... :D

Marco van Herwaarden

10-02-2005, 01:49 PM

Nope, no snake peak's allowed. :D

Quozt

10-02-2005, 02:18 PM

what about a sneek peak? i dont like snakes?... hello im Dom btw

Marco van Herwaarden

10-02-2005, 02:35 PM

Nope, no sneek, snake or sneak peaks allowed. ;)

PS It wouldn't help much since it will be a generic system, that will when finished just be configed to be used as Hack Database.

Snake

10-02-2005, 03:31 PM

Nope, no snake peak's allowed. :D

Ah well... thanks for nothing lol.

Tony G

10-03-2005, 04:44 AM

More like thanks for coding the whole thing? :p

Floris

10-03-2005, 05:18 AM

hey, nobody is 24/24 onsite, can you just do your own things, upgrade, change your style, and wait for the guys here to do their own things without a push ?!

get a life kids...

(/me hates when people push the others for things they can't have right away)

It's a suggestion, nobody is pushing anybody. I agree that it would be nice if vBorg would upgrade to 3.5.0 stable, now that it is out. But it is always up to the staff.

Logikos

10-03-2005, 11:52 PM

Whats the big deal anyways. Give them a few weeks or so. I personaly think its stupid to upgrade a large board ASAP. Unless there are sercuity loops.

MJM

10-04-2005, 12:02 AM

Yeah, let xenon port his hacks to 3.5 first so I can upgrade my smaller board first.
Seriously, ;) I'm scheduled out now till the end of Oct before I can upgrade.

Chris M

10-04-2005, 12:25 PM

As the Guiness advert says, Good things come to those who wait ;)

Chris

Wayne Luke

10-04-2005, 02:48 PM

I would say that it is in everyone's best interest if the functionality of this site was upgraded in one swoop. That means style updates, code updates and new functionality installed. Then tested vigorously and finally you upgrade. vBulletin.com was easy to upgrade. It runs off of CVS and doesn't have any code modifications. On a larger site with code modifications, you don't rush into upgrades just because they are the latest and greatest.

Bubble #5

10-04-2005, 05:37 PM

thenetbox

10-04-2005, 05:40 PM

I had my board tested on a test forum before goign to live and I still ran into issues o_O

Xenon

10-05-2005, 04:57 PM

We have a testboard which is upgraded already.

Most vb.org hacks are working already, just 2 very important ones are not 100% finished yet.
After these two hacks are done, we will upgrade vbulletin.org

apart from some very small unimportant hacks you won't miss any features, but see some new ones ;)

theArchitect

10-05-2005, 11:31 PM

...apart from some very small unimportant hacks you won't miss any features, but see some new ones ;)Very cool!

Any chance these will be made public? Or, like a Ferrari in a showroom, will we only be allowed to visit here and drool over them; never possessing them?

Edit: PS I like the style being listed in postbit on here. Is there any chance this hack will be released? I have found one but it seems to add a query everytime showthread.php is called, and hoped that your one might function differently.

adill420

10-06-2005, 12:05 AM

theArchitect

10-06-2005, 12:14 AM

hmm..interesting..i may sound dumb but can you add hacks etc to a forum and then transfer the current db..wouldn't those hacks have to be redone?

kindly let me know..i have been on the hold for this reason..

I would say that they are creating and testing the hacks on a test board. Once they are happy there are no bugs in the new mods they will then upgrade this board and add the hacks and upload the style files.

adill420

10-06-2005, 12:21 AM

Onimua

10-06-2005, 02:25 AM

I don't mind how long it takes for vborg to upgrade to 3.5, as long as it's before 3.6. :p

Erwin

10-06-2005, 02:28 AM

I would say that they are creating and testing the hacks on a test board. Once they are happy there are no bugs in the new mods they will then upgrade this board and add the hacks and upload the style files.

That's it. Essentially we are all ready go go, but there are 2 major hacks that still need completing. :) The main one is the much anticipated hack database interface, with code by Marco, templates by Brad and assistance by Colin, Stefan and some others. :) It's not a small job, so please be patient.

Corriewf

10-06-2005, 02:36 AM

That's it. Essentially we are all ready go go, but there are 2 major hacks that still need completing. :) The main one is the much anticipated hack database interface, with code by Marco, templates by Brad and assistance by Colin, Stefan and some others. :) It's not a small job, so please be patient.

Its not like you all are getting paid for this..... Who cares really... Its a message board and serves its purpose. Must we have everything right now all the time.

Take your time.

theArchitect

10-06-2005, 02:47 AM

Its not like you all are getting paid for this..... Who cares really... Its a message board and serves its purpose. Must we have everything right now all the time.

Take your time.

It is one of the curses of the net.

Shops and help desks use to have opening hours. Didn't matter how large or small the company people were use to hours of operation. Now sites are online 24/7 and if people can't get what they want when they want it they get a little irritable.

I don't condone this mentality, but the more instant satisfaction that is provided the more will be demanded.

Boofo

10-06-2005, 02:48 AM

Its not like you all are getting paid for this..... Who cares really... Its a message board and serves its purpose. Must we have everything right now all the time.

Take your time.

Finally! A voice of reason ... wait ... it's Corrie ... scratch that.

Corriewf

10-06-2005, 02:50 AM

Finally! A voice of reason ... wait ... it's Corrie ... scratch that.

I am glad you are not getting paid..........Slacker! I would demand a refund. ;)

Xenon

10-06-2005, 12:53 PM

Edit: PS I like the style being listed in postbit on here. Is there any chance this hack will be released? I have found one but it seems to add a query everytime showthread.php is called, and hoped that your one might function differently.

Well, that one isn't adding a query at all, but it's not a really well written hack. It's just a playing around with global variables in phpinclude, so all in all it's jsut a template change and the stylenames are all hardcoded..

monstergamer

10-06-2005, 05:28 PM

WOW a littl off topic, but i reach my 400th post...

any way, i hope the upgrade goes smooth and take your time

Erwin

10-10-2005, 11:11 AM

Its not like you all are getting paid for this..... Who cares really... Its a message board and serves its purpose. Must we have everything right now all the time.

Take your time.

How true. :)

Tradjick

10-12-2005, 04:09 AM

Which styles will we have in 3.5? I Just ask because i am one of the few that still prefer the dark blue style. :nervous:

Brad

10-12-2005, 04:22 AM

The dark blue style has already been ported, along with all the others.

badblu

10-12-2005, 07:33 AM

i want a new style :)

Chris M

10-12-2005, 08:08 AM

Then create one ;)

Chris

Tony G

10-12-2005, 08:35 AM

vBT style pls.

Tradjick

10-12-2005, 04:17 PM

The dark blue style has already been ported, along with all the others.

Glad to hear this, cheers!

peterska2

10-12-2005, 04:59 PM

The dark blue style has already been ported, along with all the others.

I hope you haven't been changing my purple one. I'll be buggered if I have to change skin!

Paul M

10-20-2005, 10:22 PM

Come on chaps, what's the hold up. :)

Chris M

10-20-2005, 10:27 PM

Everytime the administration gets pestered, they add another day to the upgrade date ;)

Chris

Brad

10-20-2005, 10:32 PM

Just a little more work to be done Paul, we want to make sure everything works like it should before we go public with it. :)

Chris M

10-20-2005, 10:45 PM

Just a little more work to be done Paul, we want to make sure everything works like it should before we go public with it. :)

We're making the hamsters work over-time to get the site ready asap :D

Chris

peterska2

10-20-2005, 11:03 PM

Come on Paul, be patient. It'll be done when it's done. :)

Lea Verou

10-21-2005, 09:30 AM

For how long do you estimate the site to be offline during the upgrade?

Chris M

10-21-2005, 09:55 AM

Lea Verou

10-21-2005, 09:59 AM

It took me 2 days!!! lol! :p
I just hope it will be only some hours for vbulletin.org, I'm addicted to it :p

Snake

10-21-2005, 10:06 AM

Oh hell yeah. Man there is no Aftermath without vB.org... :D

jesus likes pie

10-21-2005, 11:01 AM

eeew page load

:P

Razasharp

10-21-2005, 01:40 PM

Can I just quickly suggest that the vb.org Team get a handful of (non-team) members to give the directory a bash before it is implemented as they might highlight something that needs looking at/tweaking? (which might be better to do before it goes live).

I don't mind volunteering for this :p

Tradjick

10-21-2005, 03:13 PM

It would also be nice to see a new smiley set with the new version. ;)

PS: Will the new categorisation system be released as a hack?

Xenon

10-21-2005, 03:20 PM

For how long do you estimate the site to be offline during the upgrade?

the testboard upgrade did took half a day and a server restart ^^

Paul M

10-21-2005, 03:21 PM

That is difficult to say - How long does a normal upgrade to 3.5 take on average? How long will the modifications take to implement on average?

A couple of hours, but maybe longer :ermm:

Best people to ask are Erwin, Brad and Stefan but I'm not even sure if they can give an accurate timeframe :)

ChrisShould take about 30 mins at most to get it online, you can prepare all the files beforehand, then just swap to them, and run the upgrade script. It should be possible to do everything else while it's online with the 3.5 files.

Xenon

10-21-2005, 03:28 PM

the upgrade scripts took much more time here....

Chris M

10-21-2005, 03:33 PM

Should take about 30 mins at most to get it online, you can prepare all the files beforehand, then just swap to them, and run the upgrade script. It should be possible to do everything else while it's online with the 3.5 files.

With a database the size of this, I would image 30 minutes is something more like 3 - 4 hours ;)

Chris

LJR

10-22-2005, 11:36 AM

I was just going to post in the feedback forums about having something more categorised and so I am pleased to see that it's already in hand.

Is there a time frame for when the db is expected. Not in any particular rush, just nosey really.

:)

Xenon

10-23-2005, 03:21 PM

we hope to get it until mid of november, but cannot say more.

the two main coders (/me and Marco) are currently very busy in RL things..

Darkwaltz4

10-23-2005, 03:39 PM

heh, it does seem like a reaaaally nice addition which is making everyone anxious, but i totally understand how much RL takes precedence so I will just say you can do it when your good and ready since i wish lots of admins waiting on me would always remember this too :-p

LJR

10-28-2005, 11:01 AM

Hey completely understand. The important thing is it's released when you are happy with it. Look forward to seeing it when it lands.

Nice work!

Jenta

10-28-2005, 04:59 PM

Why upgrade now? Wait for the bugfixed release. There's probably 100 bugs found and fixed since 3.5 went gold. Then again, I would imagine you guys have access to the CVS.

Xenon

10-28-2005, 06:32 PM

I would imagine you guys have access to the CVS.

nope, just the devs have

we don't upgrade to fast, but we do prepare the upgrade.
A lot of our hacks on vb3.0 can be done as plugins, so upgrading to the bugfixed version won't be a big deal ;)

Paul M

10-29-2005, 08:03 PM

Can't you do some of the little bits now. We still have things like the Hottest Hacks for vb3 and vb2 (!), but no vb3.5, surely you could swap the vb2 version for a 3.5 version pretty quickly (template edit, and change the forums it scans ?).

Xenon

10-31-2005, 03:29 PM

admit it you just wanted to be on top of the list :p

007

10-31-2005, 04:18 PM

Looking forward to seeing Vb.org 3.5! :)

I'm sure you have lots of porting to do, mainly the hack system. Good luck!

~007

Paul M

10-31-2005, 05:23 PM

admit it you just wanted to be on top of the list :pLOL, well I wouldn't complain if I was :)

Erwin

11-01-2005, 04:23 AM

Because we are nostalgic, we are going to downgrade to version 2.2.6. Now to find that ZIP file of mine...

Darkwaltz4

11-01-2005, 04:28 AM

why stop there? :-p im sure you could find a 2.0.3 somewhere, im pretty sure i still have the original package we got waaaaay in the beginning, it was 2.0.6 :D
it would make an excellent and horrifying april fools joke if you ask me, although it WAS halloween, so maybe you could bank on the whole 'horrifying' part :-p

ChrisLM2001

11-01-2005, 04:55 AM

No one tells anyone else when to upgrade their site, so why should vborg be any different? Please let them use their own good judgment to do what they feel is best for their own site. Does anyone remember the story about the rabbit and the hare? I'm sure we can all be a little more patient while they pull their act together and get all of their ducks in a row. Mmmm... duck. Sounds like dinner :)

Actually vB.org has a duty to be on top of all code changes -- and in sync with vB.com. It's THE site for modders and stylists, THE front door for what isn't vB.com proper (with it's default skins/features).

It needs to be an inspiration and one that shows what modders and forum designers can do like nowhere else.

So yes, because the very nature of vB.org, folks here need to speak up and remind the staff -- where's the new vB version on this site? And when are you going to update the styles, too? Because you know even visitors hitting the frontpage will know the version isn't the same!

Chris

Xenon

11-01-2005, 11:08 AM

Because we are nostalgic, we are going to downgrade to version 2.2.6. Now to find that ZIP file of mine...

i found my 1.1.4 zip file ;)

Chris M

11-01-2005, 11:44 AM

Actually vB.org has a duty to be on top of all code changes -- and in sync with vB.com. It's THE site for modders and stylists, THE front door for what isn't vB.com proper (with it's default skins/features).

It needs to be an inspiration and one that shows what modders and forum designers can do like nowhere else.

So yes, because the very nature of vB.org, folks here need to speak up and remind the staff -- where's the new vB version on this site? And when are you going to update the styles, too? Because you know even visitors hitting the frontpage will know the version isn't the same!

Chris

There are very few cosmestic changes between 3.0 and 3.5 - So "visitors hitting the frontpage" may be none-the-wiser ;)

Most 3.5 features are administration or posting enhancements, nothing more:)

As for our "duty" to upgrade - There are alot of modifications that people from this site want, and that this site needs to function - These are custom code that need to be re-written for this version, and that takes time :)

Chris

ChrisLM2001

11-02-2005, 12:16 AM

There are very few cosmestic changes between 3.0 and 3.5 - So "visitors hitting the frontpage" may be none-the-wiser ;)

Most 3.5 features are administration or posting enhancements, nothing more:)

As for our "duty" to upgrade - There are alot of modifications that people from this site want, and that this site needs to function - These are custom code that need to be re-written for this version, and that takes time :)

Chris

It's a multi site disease. :(

Chris

Neutral Singh

11-02-2005, 06:51 AM

These are custom code that need to be re-written for this version, and that takes time

Please take your time! we are eagarly awaiting the upgrade nonetheless. ;)

owenweb

11-03-2005, 01:41 AM

Very cool!

Any chance these will be made public?

Darkwaltz4

11-03-2005, 03:42 AM

LMAO, if you havent been following the discussion either here or everywhere else, the answer is yes, supposedly :D

theArchitect

11-11-2005, 10:24 PM

LMAO, if you havent been following the discussion either here or everywhere else, the answer is yes, supposedly :D

Just thought I would be a nuisance and bump this.

Paul M

11-12-2005, 12:20 PM

It's a race, will .org upgrade before 3.6 is released .....

Marco van Herwaarden

11-12-2005, 12:53 PM

We will go straight for 4.0, we are already testing.

Regs

11-12-2005, 03:04 PM

Not that it is a big deal or anything, but I gotta say, the length of time this is taking is perplexing from a Jelsoft marketing point of view.

1.5 months since Gold rolled out and how many months beforehand to work with the betas?

Perhaps the staff here should approach Jelsoft and ask for some assistance of some kind?

Chris M

11-12-2005, 03:29 PM

We have lives to live seperate from this site; We also have no need to upgrade just because the latest version rolls out of production...

We have many customisations to make and if we don't get them right in the hurry to conform to the latest market trend, we will get moaned at more for having errors and mistakes than if we take our time and ensure to the best of our ability that there aren't any...

It's not just as simple as "Upload new files, Use upgrade.php, Dance around for a while while it does it's business then return happy as larry and spread 3.5 Joy to eagerly awaiting people" ;)

It's more like "Download new files, create plugins, products and edit files to do what we need them to do, test them, test them again, try and break them, test them, upload them, use upgrade.php and wait for about 5 hours to get all posts and threads and users and this and that and the other updated, then upgrade current styles to work with 3.5, blah blah blah blah..."

It'll probably take somewhere between 12 and 24 hours for this site to be upgraded :)

And that's a low estimate ;)

Chris

Regs

11-12-2005, 03:52 PM

We have lives to live seperate from this site; We also have no need to upgrade just because the latest version rolls out of production...Did I say anything about you not having a life?

At what point does that statement grow old? Is it still a good reason after 6 months? 1 year?

The fact that this new version was all about plugins and not having to hack core files and your assertion that this site has no need to upgrade just shows how far outta touch some of you are getting with the big picture.

I don't remember saying the upgrade here would be easy. I'm questioning now the seeming lack of preparedness for it and the "status quo" attitude. You guys need to be pushed now. Like it or not, you are a part of the marketing vehicle of a successful company. If you start to be a detriment rather than an asset to said company, well... let's just say that I would be a little more careful in stating "we also have no need to upgrade..."

:D

Paul M

11-12-2005, 04:00 PM

We have lives to live seperate from this site; So do the rest of us. If the current staff/admins/whatever don't have the time then maybe they need more who do.

Marco van Herwaarden

11-12-2005, 06:27 PM

If we didn't need to spend time on threads like this...........

:D :D

Brad

11-12-2005, 10:07 PM

The fact that this new version was all about plugins and not having to hack core files and your assertion that this site has no need to upgrade just shows how far outta touch some of you are getting with the big picture.

We stayed on version 2 long after 3 was the gold release. We run many modifications here, some of them the public doesn't even see because they are tools to help the staff moderate the forums. All of these things have to work before we go to 3.5.

I asure you, we are not sitting on our collective butts doing nothing just to jerk around the membership here. Things are taking longer then expected, 3.5 came out sooner then we expected, staff members have had to leave at times over the last month or so due to unexpected illness in the family or work related things.

Regs

11-13-2005, 12:23 AM

Marco, if this thread here is what is keeping you from upgrading this site, perhaps you should bring on more staff.

Brad, the point I was making is that it appears that you guys were not prepared 1 iota in getting this site turned over. From the first beta release, I thought you guys (or someone else) would be working on updating your modifications to work.

Why can't the staff here go without some of the tools you have hacked in here for a short period of time? Is the core software that deficient that the built-in tools can not manage a site like this? Why not bring on more staff to help moderate? With 100,000 members, it seems you are short-staffed anyways as I can only identify 4 or 5 moderators moderating on a consistent basis.

This is a site full of talented coders whom I'm sure would be thrilled in helping port over some of your special hacks. Perhaps you guys should ask them for help?

Cheers,

~Regs.

Omega Prime

11-13-2005, 01:08 AM

I say: let them do what they're doing and leave it at that. Surely, waiting several more weeks til they fully upgrade vb.org isn't gonna make things worse, right? I mean... sure, having quick editing might be great, but unless there's a timebomb that says "this forum will explode in 10 seconds unless you upgrade to 3.5", we should just wait it out the same way we all waited for 3.5 to be released ;)

Regs

11-13-2005, 01:35 AM

OK, will do!

Cheers,

~Regs.

soniceffect

11-29-2005, 07:48 PM

How long for 3.5 guys????? Personally I`m lookin forward to you`s upgrading as the navigation around the hacks ain`t exactly at it`s best at the moment. Found it great on 3.0 because of the way it was laid out on ther forums so lookin forward to the hack dbase. But also it ain`t exactly a good advertisement for vbulletin when most people have upgraded by now and the official flagship hack site ain`t...

Not a gripe, this is an excellent site, just a general observation and question that I`m sure others must be wondering again by now.

Wayne Luke

11-30-2005, 02:18 AM

The official Flagship site is vBulletin.com just for the record.

Regs

11-30-2005, 03:04 AM

Read closer Wayne.

Boofo

11-30-2005, 03:14 AM

I read it closer and I saw what Wayne saw on that one.

soniceffect

12-04-2005, 08:00 PM

And I`ve got news for ya`s ... I read it and I also saw what wayne did LMFAO ...

I do beleive that regs got what I meant though .... I just missed a word .... flagship hack site.....

What can I say ... never have been good with the keys after a few tins ;)

Paul M

12-04-2005, 09:24 PM

I read it and saw this ;

But also it ain`t exactly a good advertisement for vbulletin when most people have upgraded by now and the official flagship hack site ain`t...
:)

TyleR

12-05-2005, 02:42 AM

@scioneffect: Thats because not all, but most run on vanilla vB install's, so it's much easier..here in this case, vB.org has custom code to convert over to 3.5, aswell as code new features into the hack's system to make finding certain modifications easier to find..

- Tyler

soniceffect

12-05-2005, 01:07 PM

yeah granted m8 ..... Was just after a bit of info thats all ;) ...

---MAD---

12-05-2005, 01:17 PM

yeah granted m8 ..... Was just after a bit of info thats all ;) ...

its not an easy job to just upgrade in vb.org's case because they have alot of modifications made to it and nearly all of them will not work at all with 3.5 so it will take ALOT of work.

Chris M

12-05-2005, 03:05 PM

Tyler - You're showing up as unlicenced... :ermm:

Dunno why you are though - Did you change your email?

Chris

Marco van Herwaarden

12-05-2005, 07:18 PM

Tyler - You're showing up as unlicenced... :ermm:

Dunno why you are though - Did you change your email?

ChrisI think you should check some other threads where Tyler posted in the last few days. :(

TyleR

12-05-2005, 08:15 PM

yea, had a flop just before i went to bed..all fixed now :p

Corriewf

12-05-2005, 08:30 PM

yea, had a flop just before i went to bed..all fixed now :p

Hacker! :p

Chris M

12-05-2005, 08:38 PM

yea, had a flop just before i went to bed..all fixed now :p

You'll break your bed if you flop on it :p

Chris

Corriewf

12-05-2005, 08:53 PM

You'll break your bed if you flop on it :p

Chris

Depends on how drunk he is and subsequently the woman he brings home with him.... ;)

Chris M

12-05-2005, 09:14 PM

Oh she'll definately be drunk :D

Chris

Regs

12-05-2005, 09:41 PM

Can a mod here in his/her spare time go through this thread and delete all the off-topic nonsense?

Thanks!

~Regs.

Corriewf

12-05-2005, 11:03 PM

Can a mod here in his/her spare time go through this thread and delete all the off-topic nonsense?

Thanks!

~Regs.

Why, did you want to print this thread off to file under your top secret vbulletin upgrade spy kit folder?

peterska2

12-05-2005, 11:08 PM

Why, did you want to print this thread off to file under your top secret vbulletin upgrade spy kit folder?

ROFL!

I think I'll get me one of them too :p

Boofo

12-05-2005, 11:16 PM

ROFL!

I think I'll get me one of them too :p

Finally! Someone who finds corrie's humor funny. ;)

Corriewf

12-05-2005, 11:29 PM

ROFL!

I think I'll get me one of them too :p

I have one which I plan to sell on ebay if your interested. It comes with a authentic captain VB decoder ring that I modded myself from the captain crunch original. Each are numbered from a set of only 100 that were produced. One out of ten are actually autographed by Boofo, which are inserted randomly.

I also have archive kits which will become available shortly. They include top secret vbulletin spy kit data such as:

Why cant I download anything?
Come chat with us in vb.org chat!
Wheres the hack database?
How much longer for the hack database?
Opps did I post in the hacks forum.

All of which come with a lithograph of Chen at his computer desk drinking a mountain dew.

Finally! Someone who finds corrie's humor funny. ;)

I think the psi on your Oxygen tank may be getting too low again pop.

I have to apologize for Boofo, he always gets a little moody when he misses the early bird special at Aunt Sarahs.

nexialys

12-06-2005, 12:06 AM

Can a mod here in his/her spare time go through this thread and delete all the off-topic nonsense?
Thanks!
~Regs.
WHAT ?! there is a sense in this thread ?!... what postids ?!

TyleR

12-06-2005, 02:24 AM

Oh she'll definately be drunk :D

Chris

heh :p

a flop in the lisence status is what i meant :)

- Tyler

peterska2

12-06-2005, 11:11 AM

I have one which I plan to sell on ebay if your interested. It comes with a authentic captain VB decoder ring that I modded myself from the captain crunch original. Each are numbered from a set of only 100 that were produced. One out of ten are actually autographed by Boofo, which are inserted randomly.

I also have archive kits which will become available shortly. They include top secret vbulletin spy kit data such as:

Why cant I download anything?
Come chat with us in vb.org chat!
Wheres the hack database?
How much longer for the hack database?
Opps did I post in the hacks forum.
All of which come with a lithograph of Chen at his computer desk drinking a mountain dew.

Make sure you send me the aution details!!!!

I think the psi on your Oxygen tank may be getting too low again pop.

I have to apologize for Boofo, he always gets a little moody when he misses the early bird special at Aunt Sarahs.

That sounds about right, we'll just have to hope that they have a good special on at the local community center for lunch!

(OK, that was the worst pop I've made at booby in as long as I can remember!)

WHAT ?! there is a sense in this thread ?!... what postids ?!

I thought this was just a random thread. It seems to follow the rules of my 'Random Posts/Spam' Forum, and makes about as much sence as when we used to have the talkerbot installed!!!!!

Boofo

12-06-2005, 02:17 PM

That sounds about right, we'll just have to hope that they have a good special on at the local community center for lunch!

(OK, that was the worst pop I've made at booby in as long as I can remember!)

* Boofo marks Kerry-Anne officially off of his Christmas card list. :p

Paul M

12-06-2005, 03:59 PM

* Boofo marks Kerry-Anne officially off of his Christmas card list. :pYou have a LIST !

Boofo

12-06-2005, 04:01 PM

You have a LIST !

Be real careful, Paul. The list is getting shorter and one more name gone won't make that much difference. :p

Chris M

12-06-2005, 04:55 PM

Yeh - He has to cross the names of his World War 2 buddies off every year as they pass ;)

Chris

Marco van Herwaarden

12-06-2005, 04:59 PM

He was also in WW2? i thought he retired after WW-1. :D

Chris M

12-06-2005, 05:11 PM

He was part of the Veteran Corp :p

Chris

Boofo

12-06-2005, 05:36 PM

Yeh - He has to cross the names of his World War 2 buddies off every year as they pass ;)

Chris

Those youngsters?

Boofo

12-06-2005, 05:37 PM

He was also in WW2? i thought he retired after WW-1. :D

Again, just youngsters. I have socks older than most of them.

peterska2

12-06-2005, 05:55 PM

* Boofo marks Kerry-Anne officially off of his Christmas card list. :p

Never mind. You weren't on mine anyway!

[insert tongue in cheek smilie here]

Boofo

12-06-2005, 06:12 PM

Never mind. You weren't on mine anyway!

[insert tongue in cheek smilie here]

Like I would ever be on anybody's list anyway. You have to have friends for that. And I don't have any. :(

peterska2

12-06-2005, 06:17 PM

Like I would ever be on anybody's list anyway. You have to have friends for that. And I don't have any. :(

Maybe if you made an effort you would be :)

Anyway, I'm sure there has to be somebody who likes you somewhere. Maybe you just haven't met them yet ;) :p

Boofo

12-06-2005, 08:34 PM

Maybe if you made an effort you would be :)

Anyway, I'm sure there has to be somebody who likes you somewhere. Maybe you just haven't met them yet ;) :p

Nope, no one. And if there was anyone, I would have to hunt them down and kill them for having such low standards.

peterska2

12-06-2005, 08:36 PM

Poor thing

/me considers tracking down booby's address and mailing a card just to make him mad

Brad

12-06-2005, 08:37 PM

Nope, no one. And if there was anyone, I would have to hunt them down and kill them for having such low standards.

* Brad hides under bed.

Boofo

12-06-2005, 08:39 PM

* Brad hides under bed.

As if that would save you. ;)

Boofo

12-06-2005, 08:40 PM

Poor thing

* peterska2 considers tracking down booby's address and mailing a card just to make him mad

I don't even have an address. That's how bad it is.

peterska2

12-06-2005, 08:41 PM

* Brad hides under bed.

Why are you hiding under booby's bed?

I don't even have an address. That's how bad it is.

What about c/o Jelsoft? I'm sure that would find you. They know which trash can you live in.

(BTW I can't believe I just used my 1k post to say that!)

[edit] actually I didn't. I fotgot about the auto merge

Corriewf

12-07-2005, 01:21 AM

Poor Boofo.....I am going to send him a care bear... ;)

Dan

12-07-2005, 01:24 AM

Care bears haunt my dreams...

Boofo

12-07-2005, 01:46 AM

Why are you hiding under booby's bed?

What about c/o Jelsoft? I'm sure that would find you. They know which trash can you live in.

(BTW I can't believe I just used my 1k post to say that!)

[edit] actually I didn't. I fotgot about the auto merge

Did we used to be married in a former life? Cause you're sure talking like an ex-wife. ;)

Marco van Herwaarden

12-07-2005, 06:25 AM

Like I would ever be on anybody's list anyway.
Well you're on my list Boofy. Well on one of the lists that is. :D

Boofo

12-07-2005, 07:54 AM

Well you're on my list Boofy. Well on one of the lists that is. :D

Well, finally, I'm on somebody's right type of list. ;)

Marco van Herwaarden

12-07-2005, 08:00 AM

Hehe, i will bite your bait: Who said it was the 'right' type of list. :D

Boofo

12-07-2005, 08:03 AM

Hehe, i will bite your bait: Who said it was the 'right' type of list. :D

The right type of list for a person of my caliber, the "shite" list. I deserve no better treatment. :(

Marco van Herwaarden

12-07-2005, 09:25 AM

Nahh it is the 'Golden Oldies' list. :D

Boofo

12-07-2005, 09:29 AM

Nahh it is the 'Golden Oldies' list. :D

Didn't anyone ever teach you to respect your elders? (It was worth a shot. :()

Marco van Herwaarden

12-07-2005, 09:45 AM

Lol thought i was being respectfull. Didn't want to post that you're in by 'Useless Old Sh..' list. ;)

Corriewf

12-07-2005, 12:13 PM

Lol thought i was being respectfull. Didn't want to post that you're in by 'Useless Old Sh..' list. ;)

Ha ha, I am going to sell Boofo at a thrift store.

Chris M

12-07-2005, 02:52 PM

Be prepared to have to pay someone to take him away :p

Chris

Corriewf

12-07-2005, 03:34 PM

I will be sure to include the following details with purchase:

1) Keep it away from bright light,
2) Don't get any water on it, and
3) Never, never ever feed it after midnight.

Or he may turn into a:

http://www.ccb.ac.uk/public/images/press/gremlins.jpg

Boofo

12-07-2005, 04:25 PM

Lol thought i was being respectfull. Didn't want to post that you're in by 'Useless Old Sh..' list. ;)

There you go! That's the list I was talking about. I am on many of those type lists. ;)

Marco van Herwaarden

12-07-2005, 04:29 PM

Or he may turn into a:
Actually he would look better if he turned into that other guy in the left.

Corriewf

12-07-2005, 04:40 PM

Actually he would look better if he turned into that other guy in the left.

Follow the rules and he wont turn into a gremlin.....

Marco van Herwaarden

12-07-2005, 04:59 PM

The one on the left is a gremlin? Always thought they where hairy all over.

Chris M

12-07-2005, 05:21 PM

The one on the left is a gremlin? Always thought they where hairy all over.

Thats what they are before you feed them after midnight ;)

Chris

Marco van Herwaarden

12-07-2005, 06:00 PM

Well Gremlin or not, it looks better then Booby on the right.

Corriewf

12-07-2005, 06:02 PM

Well Gremlin or not, it looks better then Booby on the right.

Look how lonely he is.....He is even trying to play cards.... :disappointed:

Marco van Herwaarden

12-07-2005, 06:03 PM

Solitair i suppose.

Maybe we can find him a job in a Casino (online ofcourse, he doesn't really look fit to be mingle among public).

Boofo

12-07-2005, 06:45 PM

Are you guys done raggin' on the Boof, now? Do you have it all out of your systems? ;)

* Boofo crosses yet another 2 names off the Xmas card list!

peterska2

12-07-2005, 07:03 PM

Did we used to be married in a former life? Cause you're sure talking like an ex-wife. ;)

Don't think so, and I sure hope that wasn't a proposal. ;)

Corriewf

12-07-2005, 08:01 PM

Don't think so, and I sure hope that wasn't a proposal. ;)

I would take him up on it.....He is rolling in social security money.....

Boofo

12-07-2005, 08:50 PM

Don't think so, and I sure hope that wasn't a proposal. ;)

Sorry, Kerry-Anne, not this time, hon. But hang in there, I'm sure you'll get one sooner or later. :p

peterska2

12-07-2005, 09:50 PM

I would take him up on it.....He is rolling in social security money.....

Nah, I'm happy being single. Plus I guess he's far too old for me :p

Sorry, Kerry-Anne, not this time, hon. But hang in there, I'm sure you'll get one sooner or later. :p

Phew! Not that I'm after one though. (Or at least not from anyone who isn't wanting to code together and not have kids!)

Chris M

12-07-2005, 10:02 PM

Nah, I'm happy being single. Plus I guess he's far too old for me :p

Phew! Not that I'm after one though. (Or at least not from anyone who isn't wanting to code together and not have kids!)

Depends if you're young enough ;)

Chris

Marco van Herwaarden

12-07-2005, 10:04 PM

So there is still hope for me after i take the big decission and ask for a divorce. :D

peterska2

12-07-2005, 10:05 PM

Depends if you're young enough ;)

Chris

* peterska2 points to profile

Well as you are younger than my little (6ft 2in) bro, then I guess it won't be you either. Unless, of course, you are very mature for your age.

So there is still hope for me after i take the big decission and ask for a divorce. :D

I guess so.

I wonder how we got from vB.org upgrading to 3.5.0 to matchmaking?
* peterska2 scratches head in confusion

Marco van Herwaarden

12-07-2005, 10:10 PM

peterska2 points to profileI think we just discovered a bug here on vB.org. That is your day of birth, not your birthday (you have a birthday only once in your life?)
I wonder how we got from vB.org upgrading to 3.5.0 to matchmaking?
That is tactics, we had a looooooong Staff discussion and decided that we would try to turn this thread in a more convenient one for us.

peterska2

12-07-2005, 10:13 PM

I think we just discovered a bug here on vB.org. That is your day of birth, not your birthday (you have a birthday only once in your life?)

Well actually it's neither for me but that's another story. Then again, I can tell if you want me too.

That is tactics, we had a looooooong Staff discussion and decided that we would try to turn this thread in a more convenient one for us.

Thought as much. I just guess that there being a lot more guys than gals here means that I just spend too much time in this thread keeping all the guys happy.

Boofo

12-07-2005, 10:15 PM

So there is still hope for me after i take the big decission and ask for a divorce. :D

Marco! I am really shocked that you would write something like this! To butcher the spelling of the word decision like that just upsets me to no end! ;)

Boofo

12-07-2005, 10:16 PM

Well actually it's neither for me but that's another story. Then again, I can tell if you want me too.

Thought as much. I just guess that there being a lot more guys than gals here means that I just spend too much time in this thread keeping all the guys happy.

Happy? How? :p

peterska2

12-07-2005, 10:19 PM

Happy? How? :p

Now I'm not going there. Especially as I was asked to censor my sig the other day coz of, how to put this so it doesn't cause any offense?, erm, younger people, yeah that sounds ok, younger people on the site. Of course if you want to PM me then I might be willing to tell ;)

Corriewf

12-07-2005, 10:21 PM

[color=red]
* peterska2 points to profile

I wonder how we got from vB.org upgrading to 3.5.0 to matchmaking?
* peterska2 scratches head in confusion

We are working on upgrading.....Upgrading you from singel status.... Sorry though dear as you are a little too old for me...... I am looking for a 19 year old with a resume that includes something such as "girls gone wild".

peterska2

12-07-2005, 10:24 PM

We are working on upgrading.....Upgrading you from singel status.... Sorry though dear as you are a little too old for me...... I am looking for a 19 year old with a resume that includes something such as "girls gone wild".

Ah right, now it makes sense. Thanks for explaining that.

I guess I could include a 20 yr old sexy bloke in the package if required. Just don't ask me to touch him.

Boofo

12-07-2005, 10:25 PM

Now I'm not going there. Especially as I was asked to censor my sig the other day coz of, how to put this so it doesn't cause any offense?, erm, younger people, yeah that sounds ok, younger people on the site. Of course if you want to PM me then I might be willing to tell ;)

PM on the way.

But for research purposes only. :p

Chris M

12-07-2005, 10:29 PM

Ah right, now it makes sense. Thanks for explaining that.

I guess I could include a 20 yr old sexy bloke in the package if required. Just don't ask me to touch him.

I'm 20, your only 5 years older, assuming that birthday is correct :p

You're young enough... Just... :p

Chris

peterska2

12-07-2005, 10:30 PM

PM on the way.

But for research purposes only. :p

<serious voice>
Of course
</serious voice>

Boofo

12-07-2005, 10:32 PM

<serious voice>
Of course
</serious voice>

If they only knew ...

peterska2

12-07-2005, 10:37 PM

If they only knew ...

Poor innocents, eh? Oh well. Back to filling up my PM box again. Guess I'm gonna have to push for a raise in capacity soon.

Guest190829

12-07-2005, 10:41 PM

<serious voice>
Of course
</serious voice>

Boofo used to PM me too, untill the restraining order was put in affect. ;)

peterska2

12-07-2005, 10:42 PM

Boofo used to PM me too, untill the restraining order was put in affect. ;)

Well yeah, I guess it would be very scary due to your extremely tender years ;) :p

Boofo

12-07-2005, 10:47 PM

Boofo used to PM me too, untill the restraining order was put in affect. ;)
Yes! And I'll file another one against you if you don't stop harassing me, missy! :p

peterska2

12-07-2005, 10:48 PM

Yes! And I'll file another one against you if you don't stop harassing me, missy! :p

You tell him bob :)

Boofo

12-07-2005, 10:52 PM

You tell him bob :)

hehe

Chris M

12-07-2005, 10:55 PM

Don't encourage him, he might get up and start wandering around the old folks home flashing the ladies again like last year :rolleyes::D:p

Chris

peterska2

12-07-2005, 10:56 PM

Don't encourage him, he might get up and start wandering around the old folks home flashing the ladies again like last year :rolleyes::D:p

Chris

Well, we all have to have some pleasures in life. If that's flashing in public then why not? ;)

Corriewf

12-07-2005, 10:58 PM

Ah right, now it makes sense. Thanks for explaining that.

I guess I could include a 20 yr old sexy bloke in the package if required. Just don't ask me to touch him.

20 is a little old but being that the gender is a little off, kind of makes everything a little null and void...

Chris M

12-07-2005, 10:58 PM

Well, we all have to have some pleasures in life. If that's flashing in public then why not? ;)

He gave three old ladies heart attacks, and made the gay nursing home carer get all frisky...

Chris

peterska2

12-07-2005, 11:01 PM

20 is a little old but being that the gender is a little off, kind of makes everything a little null and void...

Well that's all I can offer, either me or him. All my girlfriends are at least 24, so none of them will do for you.

He gave three old ladies heart attacks, and made the gay nursing home carer get all frisky...

Chris

ROFL!

I'll BRB, natures calling with laughing too much!

Chris M

12-07-2005, 11:06 PM

Well that's all I can offer, either me or him. All my girlfriends are at least 24, so none of them will do for you.

ROFL!

I'll BRB, natures calling with laughing too much!

Any of them willing to travel down the country a bit to Northampton? ;)

And Kerry-Anne - I take it your IMs are offline? I've tried adding the ones listed in your profile but nothing... :(

Chris

Corriewf

12-07-2005, 11:07 PM

Well that's all I can offer, either me or him. All my girlfriends are at least 24, so none of them will do for you.

ROFL!

I'll BRB, natures calling with laughing too much!

Oh, now you didnt say anything about girlfriends. I am a little more interested now.

You can submit your application if you like. I will keep it on file for six months and if any positions become available, you will be notified.

Chris M

12-07-2005, 11:07 PM

Hands off corrie I saw the post first :p

Chris

peterska2

12-07-2005, 11:08 PM

Any of them willing to travel down the country a bit to Northampton? ;)

And Kerry-Anne - I take it your IMs are offline? I've tried adding the ones listed in your profile but nothing... :(

Chris

Probably not TBH, as they have all got themselves good jobs in the city center.

I'll see if I can get my IM to log in. I guess I'd best update them in my profile too as I don't have ICQ or AIM anymore.

Oh, now you didnt say anything about girlfriends. I am a little more interested now.

You can submit your application if you like. I will keep it on file for six months and if any positions become available, you will be notified.

Submitted - Damn I need a naughty smilie

Hands off corrie I saw the post first :p

Chris

Children, children, haven't we learnt to share at school?

Chris M

12-07-2005, 11:10 PM

Probably not TBH, as they have all got themselves good jobs in the city center.

I'll see if I can get my IM to log in. I guess I'd best update them in my profile too as I don't have ICQ or AIM anymore.

Submitted - Damn I need a naughty smilie

Children, children, haven't we learnt to share at school?

Skool wut datt? :D

Chris

peterska2

12-07-2005, 11:13 PM

Skool wut datt? :D

Chris

That thing that you never did!

Chris M

12-07-2005, 11:14 PM

Dats rite i neva dun it and u carnt proov it :p

Chris

Corriewf

12-07-2005, 11:15 PM

Hands off corrie I saw the post first :p

Chris

I havnt laid a finger on her yet.....She hasnt earned that privilege yet....

Dats rite i neva dun it and u carnt proov it :p

Chris

Its ok.....Saving yourself for marriage huh?

Guest190829

12-07-2005, 11:18 PM

Lol, we really need to get back on topic here...

peterska2

12-07-2005, 11:18 PM

I havnt laid a finger on her yet.....She hasnt earned that privilege yet....

So what do I need to do to earn it?

Its ok.....Saving yourself for marriage huh?

I guess he is. Nice to see that these days!

Lol, we really need to get back on topic here...

What topic?

Corriewf

12-07-2005, 11:24 PM

So what do I need to do to earn it?

....

Yeah so wheres that hack database blah blah blah?

peterska2

12-07-2005, 11:25 PM

....

Yeah so wheres that hack database blah blah blah?

erm..................... I guess I need to visit the states and give the staff some incentives to finish it ;) :p

Corriewf

12-07-2005, 11:29 PM

erm..................... I guess I need to visit the states and give the staff some incentives to finish it ;) :p

Most of them are your side of the pond.... Brad is right down the road from me though.
Would probably further deter the progress....

peterska2

12-07-2005, 11:32 PM

Most of them are your side of the pond.... Brad is right down the road from me though.
Would probably further deter the progress....

That would depend on the nagging factor. And boy can I nag!

Corriewf

12-07-2005, 11:33 PM

That would depend on the nagging factor. And boy can I nag!

I just tore up your application..... :ermm:

Chris M

12-07-2005, 11:34 PM

Marco is in Europe :p

Chris

peterska2

12-07-2005, 11:36 PM

I just tore up your application..... :ermm:

But I'm not gonna be nagging you to finish the hacks database now am I? Only certain staff members (ie not those on my Christmas Card list)

Marco is in Europe :p

Chris

Hmmmmm, But is he good looking and susceptable to female influences?

Chris M

12-07-2005, 11:41 PM

No comment for fear of Marco's retribution :D:D:p

However I'll hint no ugly... eww and run like hell :D

Chris

Boofo

12-07-2005, 11:43 PM

Only certain staff members (ie not those on my Christmas Card list)

* Boofo breathes a sigh of relief. ;)

peterska2

12-07-2005, 11:51 PM

No comment for fear of Marco's retribution :D:D:p

However I'll hint no ugly... eww and run like hell :D

Chris

Ah, ok then

* Boofo breathes a sigh of relief. ;)

Don't panic!

Marco van Herwaarden

12-08-2005, 05:52 AM

Hmmmmm, But is he good looking and susceptable to female influences?
Good looking? No Comment......O what the heck, this is the internet..i used to be part of a male stripper group, maybe you've heard of them, the ChickenDale's. :D

susceptable.....always

Revan

12-08-2005, 08:15 AM

erm..................... I guess I need to visit the states and give the staff some incentives to finish it ;) :pThis has been a well-kept secret for some time, but I am actually also working on the hack db.
So Ill take that incentive now, though I have some requirements:

Must either be in person or through a pic/webcam session on MSN
If the latter, must contain at least 5 of your girlfriends
Must not contain more than 50 grams of clothes on your part, in total

You have -5 seconds from when your browser let 1 pixel of this post load to comply.

peterska2

12-08-2005, 09:13 PM

This has been a well-kept secret for some time, but I am actually also working on the hack db.
So Ill take that incentive now, though I have some requirements:

Must either be in person or through a pic/webcam session on MSN
If the latter, must contain at least 5 of your girlfriends
Must not contain more than 50 grams of clothes on your part, in total
You have -5 seconds from when your browser let 1 pixel of this post load to comply.

Hmmm, well at the moment there is only me and Felix here. Will we do if I'm clothed and Felix is naked?

Good looking? No Comment......O what the heck, this is the internet..i used to be part of a male stripper group, maybe you've heard of them, the ChickenDale's. :D

susceptable.....always

* peterska2 looks up Marco's address