No Support For Requests?

[Wordplay]

what happened? there are so many threads in the 3.5 modification requests that remain unanswered? i dont know much but i atleast attempt to help when i can, how come you guys dont look in on those threads? some have 3 views and dont even get looked at, others have 20 views and not a single reply to them. what's wrong?

[AN-net]

well i'm busy and i dont usually fill requests, i develop whatever pops into my head ^.^. also i have not started developing for 3.5

[amykhar]

Wordplay, we are volunteers. We do what we can. There's a higher likelyhood of requests being filled by me if I plan to use them myself.

Also, I am MUCH more likely to fill a request for other contributors on the site than for people with no released hacks or graphics.

Amy

[EricaJoy]

It's hard to contribute other than the random "you can find that here" response for those of us that aren't really familiar with PHP coding and couldn't make a vB hack or template from scratch to save our lives. That's why we come here to ask the experts.

[AN-net]

well before someone mentions blah blah we need help of the developers etc. and this topic has been brought a zillion times!
let me rank this:
[rank]
if you do not know the language your website is run on you really should not be administrating it. even more so, you should not being modifying/hacking it either since you obviously do not know what you are doing. i personally feel that this place isnt for, pardon my term, complete noobs who do not know how to code html or simple php. i believe before you even start to hack or administrate your board you should first learn what your website is running on and that is what will help you be a good webmaster.
[/rant]

ok that was my rant;)

[smacklan]

I think alot of people are still waiting for 3.5 to go Gold before releasing ported hacks. I also think there is a quiet group of users who don't plan on upgrading anytime soon (have you seen what version this site is running? ;))

[BigIke]

well before someone mentions blah blah we need help of the developers etc. and this topic has been brought a zillion times!
let me rank this:
[rank]
if you do not know the language your website is run on you really should not be administrating it. even more so, you should not being modifying/hacking it either since you obviously do not know what you are doing. i personally feel that this place isnt for, pardon my term, complete noobs who do not know how to code html or simple php. i believe before you even start to hack or administrate your board you should first learn what your website is running on and that is what will help you be a good webmaster.
[/rant]

ok that was my rant;)
Well, I know HTML but not much PHP (pretty much none). That's why I come here every day to learn new things and to feel like I'm part of the community. Just because we don't know how to code PHP doesn't mean we can't hack our boards either-the more we hack, the more we learn. Speaking for myself, whenever I install a new hack, I look at how it works so that I can try to understand what the code means. About a year ago, I had no clue what a parse error on line 255 meant, but now I not only know what it is, I know usually how to fix it. Largely because I joined this community and gained knowledge from taking part in conversations and installing hacks.
It's hard to contribute other than the random "you can find that here" response for those of us that aren't really familiar with PHP coding and couldn't make a vB hack or template from scratch to save our lives. That's why we come here to ask the experts.
I totally agree. I'm learning how to code in PHP, but for the time being, I'm trying to help others who are in my same position. Unfortunately there's not much we can do except refer those who have inquiries as to where they can find something, or help with the occassional "how do I do this in the admincp".

[bigcurt]

Well, I know HTML but not much PHP (pretty much none). That's why I come here every day to learn new things and to feel like I'm part of the community. Just because we don't know how to code PHP doesn't mean we can't hack our boards either-the more we hack, the more we learn. Speaking for myself, whenever I install a new hack, I look at how it works so that I can try to understand what the code means. About a year ago, I had no clue what a parse error on line 255 meant, but now I not only know what it is, I know usually how to fix it. Largely because I joined this community and gained knowledge from taking part in conversations and installing hacks.


* bigcurt sheds a tear :)


~Curt

[BigIke]

* bigcurt sheds a tear :)


~Curt
haha yeah what a sap that ruckus kid is :laugh:

[Adrian Schneider]

what happened? there are so many threads in the 3.5 modification requests that remain unanswered? i dont know much but i atleast attempt to help when i can, how come you guys dont look in on those threads? some have 3 views and dont even get looked at, others have 20 views and not a single reply to them. what's wrong?

Why didn't you fulfill all of the requests?

[Logikos]

You have to remember we all volunteer our time to create hacks. We don't get paid to do this, we don't work for Jelsoft, we simply release hacks because we know that not only does our work benefit us, but it benefits many others as well.

You should be more appreciated of our hard work.

[nexialys]

/me is volunteer
/me is also not very into 3.5
/me is to suggest that versions that are not officials have no need to have official requests forums but suggestions only!
/me is pleased to be alive!

[Princeton]

I don't even see the 3.5 forum(s) as I have it collapsed :surprised:

... waiting for 3.5 to go GOLD before anything :ermm:

[Chris M]

While I respect people's decisions not to upgrade til Gold, I think that a "bury your head in the sand" attitude when it comes to looking at hacks etc for 3.5 is silly - It's not going to go away just because you don't want to look at it - Why not setup a testboard and try hacks out, and try releasing your own as well - 3.5 is different to 3.0, and the sooner you learn about it the sooner you can upgrade and have most if not all of the features you want on it ;)

Satan

[amykhar]

The one bad thing about coding for 3.5 is that I no longer want to touch 3.0.x with a 10-foot pole :D

Amy

[Logikos]

The one bad thing about coding for 3.5 is that I no longer want to touch 3.0.x with a 10-foot pole :D

Amy

Ditto! :)

[Andreas]

Product Management is a god-sent!

[smacklan]

While I respect people's decisions not to upgrade til Gold, I think that a "bury your head in the sand" attitude when it comes to looking at hacks etc for 3.5 is silly - It's not going to go away just because you don't want to look at it - Why not setup a testboard and try hacks out, and try releasing your own as well - 3.5 is different to 3.0, and the sooner you learn about it the sooner you can upgrade and have most if not all of the features you want on it ;)

Satan
true, true! I am doing just that right now and creating a custom style for a client who wants to be ready for Gold. I think there will be a large demand for styles as well as hacks when this puppy is birthed!

[jugo]

After installing 3 Plugins / Products for vb 3.5 you may not see me dealing with 3.0.x hacks ever again. Although I am most greatful for all the hackers and coders who have contributed great additions.

3.5 Here I Come...and in messing with 3.5, I will learn and maybe even release a hackf or it real soon.

[Wordplay]

It's hard to contribute other than the random "you can find that here" response for those of us that aren't really familiar with PHP coding and couldn't make a vB hack or template from scratch to save our lives. That's why we come here to ask the experts.

i think most of you misunderstood what i was getting at, i wasn't trying to say you coders aren't doing enough, i'm just trying to say try point people into the right direction, especially for those of us that dont code. just a simple, "no that hack hasn't been made but i herd ... is working on it" or a "yeah you can find it here"... that's mostly what i can do... i really believe you hackers are doing more then you should be, which is what makes vbulletin so much more special then anything else out there.

[Andrew111888]

If you can find it here, a search should find it for you :).

[Colin F]

* nexialys is to suggest that versions that are not officials have no need to have official requests forums but suggestions only!

nexialys: Staff took this into consideration and the same feelings came up. In the end we felt that there would be requests for 3.5 hacks anyway, and if there was no forum they'd just be posted in other, less appropriate forums.

[Rover416]

I am still learning php and am happy to wait for the hacks i need to be converted.

Most of them have and i am very gratefull to the coders on here for doing the hacks in the first place.

[Erwin]

nexialys: Staff took this into consideration and the same feelings came up. In the end we felt that there would be requests for 3.5 hacks anyway, and if there was no forum they'd just be posted in other, less appropriate forums.

Yup - if we did not make a 3.5 request forum, the inevitable 3.5 request posts would have gone somewhere else. :)

[taffy056]

[rank]
if you do not know the language your website is run on you really should not be administrating it. even more so, you should not being modifying/hacking it either since you obviously do not know what you are doing. i personally feel that this place isnt for, pardon my term, complete noobs who do not know how to code html or simple php. i believe before you even start to hack or administrate your board you should first learn what your website is running on and that is what will help you be a good webmaster.
[/rant]

Actually I do not agree with your rant, I do not know php very well and this is all learning experience for me, but nonetheless I hack my board to add features on it that I want and need, to expect people to know everything about php to run a BB is quite frankly absurd, you buy the product and make any additions you want, it is your board your website, you customise it to your needs, if you make mistakes along the way you hope you can learn from them, and not make the same mistake twice.

To use your anology, you buy a car, it runs fine from day one, then a few months later you want to change the analogue radio to a digital one, now you can't do that because you have not learned how a digital radio works, now that sounds ridiculous I know, but you are suggesting something similar to the only people who use this board and the hacks, if we go by your suggestion the only people left would be coders, so if that is what you want why don't you just come out and say it!

taffy

[Chris M]

Actually I do not agree with your rant, I do not know php very well and this is all learning experience for me, but nonetheless I hack my board to add features on it that I want and need, to expect people to know everything about php to run a BB is quite frankly absurd, you buy the product and make any additions you want, it is your board your website, you customise it to your needs, if you make mistakes along the way you hope you can learn from them, and not make the same mistake twice.

To use your anology, you buy a car, it runs fine from day one, then a few months later you want to change the analogue radio to a digital one, now you can't do that because you have not learned how a digital radio works, now that sounds ridiculous I know, but you are suggesting something similar to the only people who use this board and the hacks, if we go by your suggestion the only people left would be coders, so if that is what you want why don't you just come out and say it!

taffy

You are using a poor analogy there taffy...

A car is an everyday item used for sometimes key functionality of your life, i.e. you use it to get to work, to school...

To keep in the car theme, you could use something like you buy a Ford Escort RS Cosworth (to use a UK specialist car) - It's not a mainstream car, and modifying it takes knowledge - It's not a trial and error thing because you try and you bugger it up you could cause alot of damage...

Such a situation is partially similar to a vBulletin or for that matter any PHP or CGI powered forum - If you don't know what you're doing, don't muck around on a live site until the mistakes you've made on a test site installing a particular hack 1, 2, 4, 10 or 50 times (or as many until you get it right) are cured...

Satan

[Biker_GA]

Such a situation is partially similar to a vBulletin or for that matter any PHP or CGI powered forum - If you don't know what you're doing, don't muck around on a live site until the mistakes you've made on a test site installing a particular hack 1, 2, 4, 10 or 50 times (or as many until you get it right) are cured...

Now where's the fun in that?! You haven't lived until you've blown up your live site a time or two! :laugh:

[Chris M]

I've done it for fun before :p

But I knew how to fix what I'd done so the issue was not one of mass-panic :p

Satan

[hydrostatic]

I don't know if people has noticed, but it's really simple installing hacks... You do not need to know php or html or any of that. You follow a few instructions from the hack author and vola! There it is! Especially for the 3.5 hacks, most of them requires little or no file edits.

Saying that you have to know php in able to run a board is absurd. This is simply because, you don't. As long as you don't create hacks yourself that is.

[taffy056]

Hi hellsatan,

Maybe it was a bad analogy, but I stand by what I say, I have learnt a lot from the people here about php, I am not expert at it, but still I admin a couple of forums, I don't need to know the ins and outs of every piece of code in the files, the same as I don't need to know everything about the code that are in the hacks, in other words I don't need to know it all, all I need is something that works.

If it doesn't work I am profoundly glad that I got people like yourself to ask questions, if you don't ask questions you are implying everything works to perfection, you will find it very difficult to iron out all bugs if nobody asked any questions concerning your hacks, in fact if nobody asked questions forums would not exist!

Modifying cars takes people with expert knowledge, if you own a car you pay for peoples to knowledge to mod it the way you want, after all you are only driving the thing you don't need to know about every detail of the engine and how to weld everything together, the difference here is that most people are very helpful, and they offer their time for free, this you will not get from your local garage!

taffy