Need 3 3.0.7 templates.

[flup]

Hey, someone who is running 3.0.7 can you send me these templates:

forumhome
forumhome_moderator
header

As someone requested a hack but i'm running 3.5.0b2.
Thx in advance (btw; you can send them via PM in code tags plz)

[Andreas]

Download 3.0.7 from your vB.com Members Area ...

[flup]

Than I have to run it on my host wich I'm not wanting to.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Sorry but nobody is allowed to distribute original vB code.

[Andreas]

Run it at localhost, just copy the Template from the XML, ... but as MarcoH64 already said - distributing the Template is not allowed.

[flup]

OK, now that's some real bull++++ (sry for the word)...

I have a license and I'm just asking someone with a license to provide me the templates so that I don't have to install 3.0.7 on my server to get the templates wich would be redicilous for 1 little template mod.

I want to release a template mod for 3.0.7 on THIS forum...

[Andreas]

Sorry, but we did not make the license.
If you feel uncomfortable with it you might want to complain @ Jelsoft :)

[flup]

this is the most useless thing I've ever heard.

I want to make a template mod for people with vB3.0.7 but as i DONT have 3.0.7 installed I'm asking if they can provide me the 3 templates instead of me installing it (on my PC won't work).

What's the difference between DOWNLOADING 3.0.7 and make the mod (wich will take many longer) or GETTING 3 3.0.7 templates from someone...

There is no difference...

[Andreas]

What's the difference between DOWNLOADING 3.0.7 and make the mod (wich will take many longer) or GETTING 3 3.0.7 templates from someone...

There is no difference...
Technically there is no difference (it will be the same Byte-Sequence, no matter where you got it from).
There is a difference in law: You are allowed to download 3.0.7 from Jelsoft.
But you are not allowed to copy it from anywhere else.

[flup]

*sigh*

That just doesn't make sence, if both users are licensed.
Than both users are legally allowed to run vB.

I've paid for vB 190$ in total now,,,, and they can't make it even easy to make a
template mod for the vB community.

*sigh* *sigh* *sigh*

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Because 'someone' don't know if you are entitled to vB3.0.7, and his license agreement explicit forbid distributing files.

Edit: In the time you have spend on this thread, you could already have downloaded it 10 times. And like explained you don't even need to install, you can just grab it from the xml-file.

[Andreas]

That just doesn't make sence, if both users are licensed.
Than both users are legally allowed to run vB.

As said, it does make sense: You are not allowed to copy vBulletin from anywhere else then Jelsoft Members Area.
Yes, bot users are allowed to run vB - but both are not allowed to dustribute their vB files, easy as that :)

[flup]

I'm using vB3.5.0b2 on my forums and I'm posting here with the URL to my forums in my profile.... I must be using vB illegaly.

And as you are using 3.0.7 AND being a mod who can check me out,.. can't u just provide me these 3 templates instead of making it harder for the community to get what they want as WE are providing hacks for free after we've paid many dollars to get the software.

[flup]

As said, it does make sense: You are not allowed to copy vBulletin from anywhere else then Jelsoft Members Area.
Yes, bot users are allowed to run vB - but both are not allowed to dustribute their vB files, easy as that :)

So in THAT case all vBulleting Hacks on this forums are ILLEGALLY because your redistribute some of the code in the installation files (saying: replace this: [OFFICIAL VB CODE!!!!] with this [a couple official code and some additions].

So what's the difference between releasing hacks WITH official vB code or sharing 3 little templates for 10 minutes.

Because 'someone' don't know if you are entitled to vB3.0.7, and his license agreement explicit forbid distributing files.

Edit: In the time you have spend on this thread, you could already have downloaded it 10 times. And like explained you don't even need to install, you can just grab it from the xml-file.

I will download it, only this distribution-thing doesn't make any sence.

[Andreas]

You've been posting here for 20 Minutes arguing the license agreement, which most likely won't change.
In the meanwhile, you could have already downloaded and installed 3.0.7, or grabbed the Templates from the XML :)

[flup]

Meanwhile I was already downloading 3.0.7.

Just explain me the vB.org part... wich is in my reply above.

[Andreas]

saying: replace this: [OFFICIAL VB CODE!!!!] with this [a couple official code and some additions
The license agreement does allow that - but it does not allow distribution of whole Files/Templates.

[flup]

Ok, so if I make a hack such as my moderator dropdown; THAT would be an illegal hack,

as I'm pasting the WHOLE forumhome_moderator template in my install.txt file to replace
it with a complete new content...

Would it be illegal?

[Andreas]

Maybe, yes.
You might want to ask Jelsoft staff (Wayne Luke, etc.) for clarification.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

It is not allowed to distribute significant parts of the copyrighted code. Pasting a whole template could be considered a significant part yes (beside the fact it is bad practise to let members replace complete templates, since they might not use the default template to start with).

* Marco van Herwaarden wonders if it is the weather that makes members want to argue about everything the last few days.

[flup]

and wich XML file should I be looking in?

Maybe, yes.
You might want to ask Jelsoft staff (Wayne Luke, etc.) for clarification.


Ok so there are some mistakes in the vB agreement...

[Andreas]

and wich XML file should I be looking in?
vbulletin-style.xml :)

[flup]

It is not allowed to distribute significant parts of the copyrighted code. Pasting a whole template could be considered a significant part yes (beside the fact it is bad practise to let members replace complete templates, since they might not use the default template to start with).

* MarcoH64 wonders if it is the weather that makes members want to argue about everything the last few days.

forumhome_moderator is just 1 single line wich displays an adminname, a comma and a link to it's profile.

A possibility to replace this would be with a dropdownlist code (wich is totally different from the normal template.)


Look, it are just examples but this little fact of the agreement is just wrong...

vbulletin-style.xml :)


Thanks.

* flup is tired from this discussion, don't feel like to make the mod anymore :P

[Marco van Herwaarden]

A single line (even if that makes up a whole template) will not be considered as a significant part of the code.

[flup]

I rest my case, gonna make that freakin' mod now

[Tony G]

Sorry, we had this rule at vBT too. There's nothing wrong if you put the whole template for replacing in a template mod, because that's necessary. However, distributing whole templates for other purposes is not allowed. It's just the way it is with the license agreement. I know, it seems unfair, but we can't break what the licence agreement says. (This is the impression I was under...)

[flup]

However, distributing whole templates for other purposes is not allowed.

So what your saying is, is that they COULD have given me the templates I needed to do my mod? (As long as it was for a template mod..)

[Colin F]

However, distributing whole templates for other purposes is not allowed.

So what your saying is, is that they COULD have given me the templates I needed to do my mod? (As long as it was for a template mod..)
Not sure how you made that connection...

[flup]

Here's nothing wrong if you put the whole template for replacing in a template mod, because that's necessary. However, distributing whole templates for other purposes is not allowed.

This sentence made the connection for me

[Colin F]

This sentence made the connection for me
Then no, you cannot transfer that meaning.

Parts of templates can be made available if they have to be replaced or edited. If a whole template has to be replaced, I'd advise to just say "replace the content of the template FORUMHOME with:".

What you were asking for goes under other purposes, so giving you the template data isn't allowed.


I also don't think it's such a big deal. We stated that we couldn't give you the template data, because of the license agreement and we offered you alternatives to get to that data in an uncomplicated way.

[flup]

I know and it's ok that I had to download it.
Just wanted to know more, cause that rule of the agreement looks kinda wiggly :/

[Tony G]

However, distributing whole templates for other purposes is not allowed.

So what your saying is, is that they COULD have given me the templates I needed to do my mod? (As long as it was for a template mod..)
This was supposed to mean that, it was okay when including it as instructions in a template modification, not to aid you making one.