View Full Version : OFFICIAL: vB 3.5 Beta Hacks will be allowed at vBulletin.org when it is released
Erwin
06-04-2005, 11:01 AM
Dear vBulletin customers and respected code modifiers (otherwise known as hackers)
After much discussion and deliberation, vBulletin.org in conjunction with Jelsoft have decided that when vBulletin version 3.5 Beta is released (which will be very soon) all types of modifications/ hacks for vB 3.5 Beta will be allowed. This will include code modifications as well as plugins.
This means that all "hackers" can upgrade their current vB 3.0.x hacks to vB 3.5 beta as soon as possible. This also means that if "hackers" see any additional plugin "hooks" that would assist them in upgrading their current hacks or creating new vB hacks, they can suggest these to the vB developers during this beta phase.
There are no restrictions to the release of vB 3.5 beta hacks. They will be treated the same as any other hacks. However please note that since vB 3.5.0 is a Beta version and the code is not final, it's entirely possible that you may have to recode your hacks for the final release, or any interim releases.
*** As per usual, if you are going to report a vBulletin bug at vBulletin.com, make sure the php file is unhacked - this policy applies to all hacked forums of all vB versions, not just vB 3.5 Beta ***.
As a caution, be aware that vB 3.5 Beta IS beta - use it live at your own risk. Our suggestion is to run it on a private test board (not open to the public) for the upgrading of your existing hacks or to create new hacks, or just so you can play around with it and maybe suggest new plugin hook positions in the code.
Also, vB 3.5 Beta will be a short beta with quick-fire releases, so you shouldn't apply hacks unless you are willing to reapply them on a very regular basis.
My recommendation to all hackers is to try to upgrade your current hacks to use the plugin hook system so that no code is modified (or at least, minimally modified) so that any new beta version/ release candidate version upgrades would be easier to do.
vBulletin 3.5 will herald in a new era, not just with vBulletin itself, or with forum software, but with the nature of online communities and the way we communicate with each other on the internet. It will be a taste of better things to come. I want to thank all of you for your patience and your support. To the hackers, you guys and gals make vB the great software that it is - we all know that it's the hacks that make vB the best. To the hack installers, you are the reason why us hackers make our hacks. :) A lot of us don't even use the hacks we code - we do it because we want to contribute and share our ideas with others.
Like all of you, I can't wait for the release of vB 3.5 Beta. :) Once that happens, let the hacking begin!!!
deathemperor
06-04-2005, 11:15 AM
sure is, this news is great, thank you a bunch Erwin.A lot of us don't even use the hacks we code
this is absolutely true, I only use one hack on my board but believe me this is gonna be changed when vb3.5 is out, since no code modifications are requires (in most cases ^^).
again, great news !.
sabret00the
06-04-2005, 11:19 AM
Great news, jelsoft done the right thing as far as i'm concerned, it's a good day for hackers :)
Reeve of shinra
06-04-2005, 12:50 PM
Fantastic!
Lord Brar
06-04-2005, 01:40 PM
Awesome! :)
contrai
06-04-2005, 03:37 PM
oh mang. this gonna be awsome!
Michael Morris
06-04-2005, 04:36 PM
Will hacks that comply with the hooks system be kept seperate from those that don't?
Dean C
06-04-2005, 04:41 PM
Will hacks that comply with the hooks system be kept seperate from those that don't?
Yes, we will make a clear distinction between plugins and code modifications :)
Revan
06-04-2005, 05:23 PM
Yes, we will make a clear distinction between plugins and code modifications :)Im not sure I like the word "plugin". MsgPlus is rarely referred to as a "plugin", even though by all means it is one. If someone mentioned the word "plugin" and MsgPlus in the same sentence, they would ask "what Messenger Plus plugin is this?"
Im posting this because I am going to fight with all I got to eliminate all code modifications to vB files for my RPG, to make upgrading vB as seamless as possible for my users. Having it being called a "plugin" would make the hack's e-penis smaller as it gives off the impression that it is merely something you put in a folder and its installed.
I don't know what vBorg is going to do to remedy this impression, if anything, but Im just expressing my views here :)
EDIT: Maybe call them "Hook Hacks" (no word game intented) or something. I just dislike losing the brand "hack" XD
angelicGrace
06-04-2005, 05:28 PM
got to say. this rocks major socks. not that i can write a hack for the life of me but i sure can install them. :) lol
Dean C
06-04-2005, 05:32 PM
Well unfortunately the name for this new system is not up to us - but up to the devs at vB.com. I guess they've already starting writing documentation and labelling it plugins :)
Lizard King
06-04-2005, 07:13 PM
Perfect News.
Zachery
06-04-2005, 07:28 PM
Hooks don't do everything but they accompish alot, you should be able to hack alot of things without directly modifying the code.
Some things will still require direct code modification.
sabret00the
06-04-2005, 07:41 PM
Hooks don't do everything but they accompish alot, you should be able to hack alot of things without directly modifying the code.
Some things will still require direct code modification.
is Geeky Designs hoping to migrate the store hack to the hooks system?
keyword: hoping. as i know at this stage neither of you really know what's gonna happen having not seen the code.
Floris
06-04-2005, 08:24 PM
is Geeky Designs hoping to migrate the store hack to the hooks system?
keyword: hoping. as i know at this stage neither of you really know what's gonna happen having not seen the code.
I put $5 in the pot that they do :)
Link14716
06-04-2005, 08:27 PM
is Geeky Designs hoping to migrate the store hack to the hooks system?
keyword: hoping. as i know at this stage neither of you really know what's gonna happen having not seen the code.
I'm sure Zachery has seen the code, since he has access to it. I, on the other hand, haven't. ;)
Yes, I'll migrate the store to 3.5 ASAP.
hollyboy
06-04-2005, 08:33 PM
great! :)
jesus likes pie
06-04-2005, 08:33 PM
im excited about the beta!!!!
Logikos
06-05-2005, 04:23 AM
yay! :)
Kihon Kata
06-05-2005, 05:03 AM
yay! :)
Is it bad news for me a guy with 60 + hacks installed?
Logikos
06-05-2005, 05:19 AM
yup, sux to be you. Why you have 60+ hacks installed. you really need them all?
Kihon Kata
06-05-2005, 05:21 AM
yup, sux to be you. Why you have 60+ hacks installed. you really need them all?
uhm yes I do...I mean THEY do...
Floris
06-05-2005, 08:53 AM
yup, sux to be you. Why you have 60+ hacks installed. you really need them all?
That's a bit rude. You can expect users to have multiple hacks installed on a 'hacking community'..
Logikos
06-05-2005, 08:58 AM
STATUS: Don't bother me, period.
So is that. And it wasn't meant to be rude, just depends on how you read it. Looks like you read it with the glass half empty. ;). BTW, still waiting for that email. :rolleyes:
Erwin
06-05-2005, 10:55 AM
LOL! I have at least 200 "hacks" on my own forums, probably more depending on your definition of "hack" - I've customized my forums substantially. Do I need them all? Probably not. :) But it's what makes vBulletin great - the ability to customize it.
Anyway, let's stay on topic here. :) No need to get uptight over small things.
jesus likes pie
06-05-2005, 01:05 PM
any idea when it will be released?
Dean C
06-05-2005, 01:14 PM
any idea when it will be released?
We no, no more than you other than early June
TheComputerGuy
06-05-2005, 03:12 PM
I can't wait for 3.5. Ajax is looking to be a great addition to this... :)
jesus likes pie
06-05-2005, 08:29 PM
Early June is very soon!!
(the rhyme was not intended)
Early June is very soon!!
(the rhyme was not intended)
It is any time within the next 8 days. Once it hits the 15th, it's past 'early June'.
Chris M
06-05-2005, 09:47 PM
If there is something I've learnt about the anticipation of a new vB release is that its likely to dissapoint you if you are hyped up for it being within the next week or so and it turns out it doesn't come out til July...
Just wait and see what happens, and be assured that it'll come out when it's ready, not just when you want it to...
Satan
WhSox21
06-05-2005, 10:22 PM
Seeing as though most of the bugs are fixed and it is already running pretty smoothly on vb.com I think we can actually expect a release in at the latest sometime in June.
EricaJoy
06-05-2005, 10:46 PM
i can't wait. i won't upgrade my current forum to it but i am waiting on it before starting on my new site.
roundhost
06-06-2005, 07:46 AM
I'm going to be re-coding my blog script, and may in turn release it as a plugin to the public :) (if anybody is interested in blogging :p )
Wayne Luke
06-06-2005, 03:50 PM
I'm going to be re-coding my blog script, and may in turn release it as a plugin to the public :) (if anybody is interested in blogging :p )
I would be interested in it as a plugin.
sabret00the
06-06-2005, 04:14 PM
I would be interested in it as a plugin.
:o Wayne logged into vb.org :p
I'm going to be re-coding my blog script, and may in turn release it as a plugin to the public (if anybody is interested in blogging )what blog script? NVM found it.
eXtremeTim
06-06-2005, 04:51 PM
I cant wait for this. :) I will be working hard as soon as the beta is out to start porting my hacks up and adding additional features. Along with starting work on the hacks that I have had on the drawing board for quite some time. I have been waiting for this day for quite some time now. This is when vbulletin clearly defines itself as the most powerful php/mysql forum solution out there. :)
Wayne Luke
06-06-2005, 10:12 PM
:o Wayne logged into vb.org :p
I visit here almost daily, just don't say much. Sometimes I log in and sometimes I monitor anonymously.
sabret00the
06-06-2005, 10:49 PM
I visit here almost daily, just don't say much. Sometimes I log in and sometimes I monitor anonymously.
so you've realised how i'd make a great replacement for john and james then ;)
just pulling ya leg :)
rjordan
06-07-2005, 03:10 AM
Will vB.org be opening a new set of forums under a new category (v3.5.x+ Hacks or whatever) to distinguish between v3.0.x hacks? Since the coding is suppposed to be very different, I honestly think this makes sense and for the 3.5+ hacks/mods/plugins not be mixed with the 3.0.x stuff.
Just my thought.
tamarian
06-07-2005, 03:15 AM
On vb.org's home page, there's 3 hacks for 3.5beta. Like this one:
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?threadid=82599 titled "Message Editing Hierarchy" by Xenon. But when you click, you don't have permission :)
So we're getting very close....
Erwin
06-07-2005, 05:38 AM
On vb.org's home page, there's 3 hacks for 3.5beta. Like this one:
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?threadid=82599 titled "Message Editing Hierarchy" by Xenon. But when you click, you don't have permission :)
So we're getting very close....
We are just testing the new forums which are still hidden. :) Don't get too excited... ;) But we are close...
Injektilo
06-07-2005, 08:44 AM
One question guys.. Now that i've got a vb licence and vb3.07, will i be able to upgrade to vb3.5 for free or will it cost some money?
One question guys.. Now that i've got a vb licence and vb3.07, will i be able to upgrade to vb3.5 for free or will it cost some money?
For free, unless ofcourse your year of free update access has expired in which case you would need to renew for that for $30 (or buy a new lease for $85 if your not on a owned license).
I'm guessing you just got yours so you shouldn't have to worry about renewing it just for 3.5 :)
Injektilo
06-07-2005, 08:57 AM
For free, unless ofcourse your year of free update access has expired in which case you would need to renew for that for $30 (or buy a new lease for $85 if your not on a owned license).
I'm guessing you just got yours so you shouldn't have to worry about renewing it just for 3.5 :)
y u guess that i just got mine? Is it obvious that i am still a newbie? :p
Paul M
06-07-2005, 09:51 AM
Why are there now six 3.5.0 beta hacks listed in the latest hacks, and why was the topic about this closed. The ugly hand of censorship in action ?.
Why are there now six 3.5.0 beta hacks listed in the latest hacks, and why was the topic about this closed. The ugly hand of censorship in action ?.
At a guess, they are there: Because the effort required to recode that portion of the Portal was overlooked/too much to bother about at the time.
And the topic about them was probably closed to stop speculation on them, which is pointless until 3.5 actually comes out.
Why are there now six 3.5.0 beta hacks listed in the latest hacks, and why was the topic about this closed. The ugly hand of censorship in action ?.
As Erwin stated it is a bug and will soon be resolved :)
Paul M
06-07-2005, 10:12 AM
As Erwin stated it is a bug and will soon be resolved :)Oh, I'm sure it will. That wasn't really the point - Since when did vb.org start closing topics about the site ? - are you embarrassed for members to know you have privileged access to the code ? Closing things for no reason just causes suspicion about the motive. :)
Xenon
06-07-2005, 10:31 AM
you can discuss this isse here ;)
the portal page should be clean again ^^
Carnage
06-07-2005, 12:02 PM
i can't wait for the release, but won't be able to have a proper play till after my exams... In anycase, i really hope Xenon finds the time to port his advanced editing options to vb 3.5 and quickly :p
On another point, is vb.org running vb 3.5? i only ask this as i've got js errors all over the place; similar to what i had on vb.com before refreshing mozilla's cache... oh, and your version has been removed from the footer... (that might have always been the case though)
Nope we are still on 3.0.x :)
Xenon
06-07-2005, 01:15 PM
as brad said, we're running the latest stable version right now i.e. 3.0.7
as vb.org is using a lot of hacks, a fast 3.5.0 beta upgrade isn't possible...
In anycase, i really hope Xenon finds the time to port his advanced editing options to vb 3.5 and quickly
that's shouldn't be that hard to port over, but the time is what i fear ;)
Erwin
06-07-2005, 10:28 PM
Oh, I'm sure it will. That wasn't really the point - Since when did vb.org start closing topics about the site ? - are you embarrassed for members to know you have privileged access to the code ? Closing things for no reason just causes suspicion about the motive. :)
No reason? The reason is because it's a bug. :) I posted the reason.
And what's there to censor? :) We all know 3.5 is coming out, we all know the hacks will be posted here. We are just testing out the new forums, and discussing the possibility of a hack database. The tests are not meant to show up so it was a bug.
Feel free to discuss that issue here as much as you like until the cows come home. If you want to call thread closures censorship, feel free. :) I won't "censor" you. ;)
Osterling
06-07-2005, 11:40 PM
who really cares why it was deleted? everybody should have been able to figure out why it was deleted, no need to make a big deal about it. just chill out
greywolff
06-08-2005, 07:13 AM
I'm going to be re-coding my blog script, and may in turn release it as a plugin to the public :) (if anybody is interested in blogging :p )
one of my sites would be well served with a blog plug in :) (hint) :)
Erwin
06-08-2005, 12:03 PM
Just as an update, the staff here are figuring out the best way to arrange the 3.5 beta hack subforums. We are also planning a way to make searching for hacks easier through a database-like interface.
There will also be tutorials on how to use the hooks and plugin system as well as which vB variables have been changed from 3.0 to 3.5. :) All thanks to the hard-working vB.org staff.
It's going to be good. :)
Paul M
06-08-2005, 12:14 PM
No reason? The reason is because it's a bug. :) I posted the reason.
Feel free to discuss that issue here as much as you like until the cows come home. If you want to call thread closures censorship, feel free. :) I won't "censor" you. ;)So the topic was closed because it was discussing a bug ? That's just bizarre. :) I tried to discuss the subject in the appropiate topic, but since it was closed I couldn't.
who really cares why it was deleted? everybody should have been able to figure out why it was deleted, no need to make a big deal about it. just chill outI care. :p - and to be accurate - it wasn't deleted, it was closed. I'm simply asking why a harmless topic was closed without any obvious reason or explanation. It seems to have happened to other threads recently (another "mod" closed his own topic because he didn't like the way it was going, it would be nice if we could all do that :)).
Just as an update, the staff here are figuring out the best way to arrange the 3.5 beta hack subforums. We are also planning a way to make searching for hacks easier through a database-like interface.
There will also be tutorials on how to use the hooks and plugin system as well as which vB variables have been changed from 3.0 to 3.5. :) All thanks to the hard-working vB.org staff. Back to the subject at hand - this all sounds excellent - and yes, I appreciate you work hard :)
Corriewf
06-08-2005, 02:44 PM
It seems to have happened to other threads recently (another "mod" closed his own topic because he didn't like the way it was going, it would be nice if we could all do that ).
Yes it would be nice.
Snake
06-08-2005, 03:27 PM
Good news for today! :)
deathemperor
06-08-2005, 05:37 PM
There will also be tutorials on how to use the hooks and plugin system as well as which vB variables have been changed from 3.0 to 3.5. All thanks to the hard-working vB.org staff.
this is good to hear.(another "mod" closed his own topic because he didn't like the way it was going, it would be nice if we could all do that )
agreed
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