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[Brad]

Came online about 15 minutes ago, check it out:

www.vbulletin.com/forum


Posted by Kier

As you can see, this board is now running a preview version of vBulletin 3.5.

The first thing you'll probably notice is lots of Javascript errors. These are caused by your browser having the old versions of the scripts stored in their cache. Simply hit the refresh button on pages that show an error and the errors should go away.

It's also important that you hit refresh on a showthread.php page before you try to use the quick reply feature, as some of the code behind this has been changed.

More news soon

[sabret00the]

it's swift, oh so very swift.

[Allan]

yeppppppppppppp, thanks :)

[Creative Suite]

Well done..!

[yoyoyoyo]

not very impressed: my first view of it was this:Warning: array_keys(): The first argument should be an array in /includes/functions.php on line 3009 :o :disappointed:

[iSpanish]

Me Too
Warning: array_keys(): The first argument should be an array in /includes/functions.php on line 3009

[sabret00the]

Warning: array_keys(): The first argument should be an array in /includes/functions.php on line 3009aye same here.

[yoyoyoyo]

this is getting fun- now I get beforeafter
spoke too soon.. back to the original error message

[WiBu]

fine and dandy for me... *hunts around looking at whats new* *Tests out persistant mark system* :D

[Paul M]

I had to login again - it obviously lost or ignored my cookie.

[cinq]

I had to login again - it obviously lost or ignored my cookie.

Think it's got to do with the persistent marked read thingy.
Don't see much difference on the frontend user POV though..probably most of the goodies on admin side

[AN-net]

yeah it seems most noticeable upgrades are via admin so really right now the preview isnt much until we can use admin features.

[neocorteqz]

Linkage to all Planned and released enhancements to the latest version?

[dcarr]

Very impressed with all the information available regarding the changes. Looks like it will be a very useful version.

[RichieBoy67]

Don't mean to hijack this thread but if it's one thing I can't stand is signatures that throw cookies at me.... grrrrrrr

I forgot what I was going to say regarding this thread now...

[Zachery]

Don't mean to hijack this thread but if it's one thing I can't stand is signatures that throw cookies at me.... grrrrrrr


I forgot what I was going to say regarding this thread now...
then just block remote images and be happy

[Logikos]

hope the public version gets released soon!

[akanevsky]

Umm... For some reason I cannot see any changes in their demo from vB 3.0.7.. Even though I am running the latest version of Mozilla Firefox.

[RichieBoy67]

I'm happy... All blocked... :)

[Logikos]

Umm... For some reason I cannot see any changes in their demo from vB 3.0.7.. Even though I am running the latest version of Mozilla Firefox.
Changes were more focused on the admin part not the users side.

[RichieBoy67]

The best improvement would be a patch for those of us that have modded boards....

[Adrian Schneider]

They should extend this to the admin demo. :)

[Zachery]

Umm... For some reason I cannot see any changes in their demo from vB 3.0.7.. Even though I am running the latest version of Mozilla Firefox.
Its not in the admin demo

[akanevsky]

I know. I am talking about the community board.

[Zachery]

I know. I am talking about the community board.
Clear your cache :p

[Tony G]

Love 3.5, best improvement is the javascript refresh when posting. It's such a smart idea, I wonder why it didn't come up sooner? ;)

[deathemperor]

Love 3.5, best improvement is the javascript refresh when posting. It's such a smart idea, I wonder why it didn't come up sooner?
damn, that will make my board goes skyrocketing !

finally there's a way for us to reply faster than the 'quick reply' lol

[dayblue]

The plugin architecture is a huge thing. How difficult will it be to adapt the hacks now in place on vb.org?

[Adrian Schneider]

We won't know until we see it..

[Paul M]

The plugin architecture is a huge thing. How difficult will it be to adapt the hacks now in place on vb.org?What are next weeks winning lottery numbers ?

The answer to both is very similar - we don't know yet :)

[Adrian Schneider]

Well.. some people can (or claim to) be able to predict those lotto numbers! Maybe he is among us... :D

[Paul M]

Dunno if this has been mentioned anywhere but the newposts function has changed - read threads are no longer displayed at all (instead of being just unbolded) - this is an extremely irritating change - I often want to refer back to one I have previously read, now it's no longer on view.

[Corriewf]

What are next weeks winning lottery numbers ?

The answer to both is very similar - we don't know yet :)




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[Marco van Herwaarden]

Dunno if this has been mentioned anywhere but the newposts function has changed - read threads are no longer displayed at all (instead of being just unbolded) - this is an extremely irritating change - I often want to refer back to one I have previously read, now it's no longer on view.Yes it was one of the first things i have mentioned at vb.com

[Corriewf]

So it cannot be viewed at all?!?!?!?

[Zachery]

So it cannot be viewed at all?!?!?!?
No they just do not showup by default in search.php?do=getnew but you can add another bit on

serach.php?do=getnew&oldmethod=1

[Corriewf]

No they just do not showup by default in search.php?do=getnew but you can add another bit on

serach.php?do=getnew&oldmethod=1


Oh ok gottcha, thanks.

[Sleepyk]

SMTP Mail Wrapper

Using vBulletin 3.5, you'll no longer need to rely on PHP's built-in email function mail(). You can now specify an arbitrary SMTP server with a username and password.

may be best thing because mass e-mail on 3.0.7 doesnt work for me, but on 3.0.5 it did
-shrugs yeah good stuff

[Paul M]

may be best thing because mass e-mail on 3.0.7 doesnt work for me, but on 3.0.5 it didThere is no difference in the way 3.0.5 and 3.0.7 send e-mail - so you must have broke something. :)

[Pain86]

runs abit faster :)

[el diablo]

i like the new Plugin features - rather than updating hacks over and over and over and... yeah - great job on that :D

[Corriewf]

i like the new Plugin features - rather than updating hacks over and over and over and... yeah - great job on that :D



Yes but it means that all hacks will need to be recoded and possibly the loss of a few hacks like arcade ect.

[Brad]

Yes but it means that all hacks will need to be recoded and possibly the loss of a few hacks like arcade ect.
If they a really popular, odd's are someone will port or code their own version and release it. It might not come from the same author, but it'll probbly exist in some form. :)

[Erwin]

Yes but it means that all hacks will need to be recoded and possibly the loss of a few hacks like arcade ect.
They said that when vB2 went to vB3 but look at us now. :)

[cyberxp9]

They said that when vB2 went to vB3 but look at us now. :)
i cant wait till it comes out, my 1 year of free updates is still up :)

[el diablo]

They said that when vB2 went to vB3 but look at us now. :)

exactly... :)

[Trigunflame]

Yes but it means that all hacks will need to be recoded and possibly the loss of a few hacks like arcade ect.

The more important problem is the reduced efficiency of code due to these "Plugin Spots".

[Erwin]

The more important problem is the reduced efficiency of code due to these "Plugin Spots".
Actually, the code efficiency will be greater as data is being managed in a different way so that less redundancy and repetition is required. At least, this is from what I have heard.

[Trigunflame]

Actually, the code efficiency will be greater as data is being managed in a different way so that less redundancy and repetition is required. At least, this is from what I have heard.

If they are using code pools of callbacks and generic functions to handle "places to put code", then no; efficiency is greatly lost and the performance of the forum will be reduced. This is not to say vb 3.5 by default will not run faster than previous, this is to say much if any added benefit of 3.5 over 3.0 is going to be lost due to plugin code.

No one really knows, while it may please the non-technical of the forum owners out there, people like me who are speed demons by nature, may see themselves having to make much use of the backspace key in 3.5

[winky6]

Ahh, I can just see it -

6 months will pass, and 3.5 will become a reality for everyone. Then it will sink in after everyone starts converting over. NO HACKS.

So the requests will start start flying in, and VB.org will see even more activity. :speechless:

But Wait !!!!!! The worst part of this whole change over will be the wait. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Nailgeek said it best -

I am in middle of some other hacks and the impending release of vb3.5 means that most of my development is on hold awaiting its release.

[deathemperor]

I don't give the test myself but take a look:

http://www.webmasterstop.com/56.html

they said thay OOP in PHP will slower the execution time no matter how, but OOP is easier to maintain and inherit of course.

[Andreas]

This "test" is bollox, the huge overhead comes from instantiating 100.000 test-objects, which does not make sense at all, as only 1 instance is needed.
A "fair" comparison would be 1 object and calling method one() 100.000 times.

[Holidazed]

Yes but it means that all hacks will need to be recoded and possibly the loss of a few hacks like arcade ect.That is a moot point as he is not doing the arcade anymore and has locked his site down.

[Corriewf]

That is a moot point as he is not doing the arcade anymore and has locked his site down.

No the point is not moot as the hack is currently available and running on many 3.0.x sites.


I honestly don?t think you will see many make the switch over. There just isn?t enough pros with this new version to make people switch to something thats utilizing a new coding system thats going to make converting old hacks a logistical nightmare.

Only those that are upgrade addicts are going to make the crossover.


Erwin you make a valid point however the data structure and coding from 2 to 3 did not change that much. This means that old hacks can simply be converted over by updating the php to call the new functions. The new 3.5 is going to involve not only updating the php code but a total restructuring of the code and variables involved.


This is all for what? So Jim Bob gets instant post updates and ect without refreshing. So Jim Bob can sit back and hit install instead of having to hit copy and paste where applicable.

I have always believed that anything worth having is worth working for. So what if Jim bob has to get his hands dirty by having to actually edit a few files..


Why not make it worthwhile vbulletin and treat these coders with some respect by implementing some of the code revisions for bugs found by coders here and giving us some new features to provide our end users with.

I have enough bandwidth that my members refresh rate is far back in my priority list.

[Greebo]

I honestly don?t think you will see many make the switch over. There just isn?t enough pros with this new version to make people switch to something thats utilizing a new coding system thats going to make converting old hacks a logistical nightmare.

People say that about every software upgrade.

Personally, I think its foolish to make such blanket statements when we don't even have a beta out yet to look at.

[Corriewf]

People say that about every software upgrade.

Personally, I think its foolish to make such blanket statements when we don't even have a beta out yet to look at.


We do not need the code to understand the logic or concept of the coding that has been done.

A blanketed statement or hypothesis is warranted based on factual data thats been presented. For me to get anymore specific would be unfair and unjust to the Vbulletin developers.


I am not belittling their ability , but their corporate culture.

As consumer's our opinions should be held in high regard.

[Greebo]

We do not need the code to understand the logic or concept of the coding that has been done.
Agreed.

A blanketed statement or hypothesis is warranted based on factual data thats been presented. For me to get anymore specific would be unfair and unjust to the Vbulletin developers.
I disagree. You are applying your personal bias about value of the published changes in 3.5.0, and making the assumption that a large % of other forum operators will share your opinion.

Having reviewed the list of enhancements in 3.5.0, I personally see great value in making the switch - and the biggest selling point for me is the plugin system being implemented. I am awaiting the beta with much anticipation. Anything which makes modifying the behavior or vBulletin easier in the long term is welcome to me - and I anticipate that the hook system will ultimately mean adding custom content (hacks) built using the hooks will mean minor updates don't mean hours of remodifying php files by hand to re-enable the hacks I've got in play.

As consumer's our opinions should be held in high regard.
Do not make the mistake of assuming that the most vocal group is the majority. Those who dislike complain. Those who support tend to remain silent. Unless you've done a statistically valid survey to determine what percentage of operators will at least consider the upgrade, you can not safely extrapolate any numbers based simply on the commentary of a few posts, let alone your own bias.

[Corriewf]

Agreed.


I disagree. You are applying your personal bias about value of the published changes in 3.5.0, and making the assumption that a large % of other forum operators will share your opinion.



I beleive perspective would be more appropiate then bias. You should research the word hypothesis as its referencing an educated guess which is all I can make at this point.

Having reviewed the list of enhancements in 3.5.0, I personally see great value in making the switch - and the biggest selling point for me is the plugin system being implemented. I am awaiting the beta with much anticipation. Anything which makes modifying the behavior or vBulletin easier in the long term is welcome to me - and I anticipate that the hook system will ultimately mean adding custom content (hacks) built using the hooks will mean minor updates don't mean hours of remodifying php files by hand to re-enable the hacks I've got in play.


Yes the plugin system will be great however only if there are hacks to utilize it. Our ability to apply hacks has been made easier but at what cost. The question is if the cost is too great?


Do not make the mistake of assuming that the most vocal group is the majority. Those who dislike complain. Those who support tend to remain silent. Unless you've done a statistically valid survey to determine what percentage of operators will at least consider the upgrade, you can not safely extrapolate any numbers based simply on the commentary of a few posts, let alone your own bias.

Again I used the word hypothesis and you cannot claim it to be wrong unless you yourself have completed your above-mentioned survey. Remember these words:

Those who complain are generally those who care to see improvement. Those who
do not speak up are either satisfied or feel no personal obligation to better the community as they will like take their loyalty to another vendor.

[Greebo]

Yes the plugin system will be great however only if there are hacks to utilize it. Our ability to apply hacks has been made easier but at what cost. The question is if the cost is too great?
Well, if its *easier* to make modifications, then one could at least hope that the hacks for 3.5.0 would begin pouring out at a much faster pace, I would think.
I disagree. You are applying your personal bias about value of the published changes in 3.5.0, and making the assumption that a large % of other forum operators will share your opinion.
Again I used the word hypothesis and you cannot claim it to be wrong unless you yourself have completed your above-mentioned survey.
I didn't say your hypothesis was wrong. I am saying that it *isn't* warranted to make any claim in the positive OR negative until there is some kind of survey.

I then followed up by showing what my own personal bias leans towards. I did not extend my bias to the majority with speculation about who would and would not switch. All my statement about my own position shows is that at least one person will be switching.

[Andreas]

I am sure that I am no "upgrade addict" (as upgrading a board which uses a totally custom style and has almost every file modified is a nightmare), but I am sure that we are going to make the switch as soon as possible.

mySQL Fulltext Search, "real" mark-read, mySQLi, AJAX and having datastore locally are pretty important for those running larger boards.

And once more and more hacks get converted/releases for the plugin-system, I bet it will make life a lot easier.

[Corriewf]

Well, if its *easier* to make modifications, then one could at least hope that the hacks for 3.5.0 would begin pouring out at a much faster pace, I would think.


I didn't say your hypothesis was wrong. I am saying that it *isn't* warranted to make any claim in the positive OR negative until there is some kind of survey.

I then followed up by showing what my own personal bias leans towards. I did not extend my bias to the majority with speculation about who would and would not switch. All my statement about my own position shows is that at least one person will be switching.
I believe most upgrade happy people probably will upgrade. What will matter is if the coders will. Object oriented programming is easier to code on a large-scale project but in the realm of an individual coder its more time consuming and adds complexity to a previously simplistic environment.

My opinion as a consumer was warranted the day the release was detailed from vbulletin pertaining to a product that I may or may not utilize.

[Erwin]

People say that about every software upgrade.

Personally, I think its foolish to make such blanket statements when we don't even have a beta out yet to look at.
In fact, people said that when vB2 became vB3. But most sites upgraded.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Well, if its *easier* to make modifications, then one could at least hope that the hacks for 3.5.0 would begin pouring out at a much faster pace, I would think.
Nobody said it would be easier to create hacks. It will only be easier to implement and administer hacks that are using the plugin hooks and the Data Manager.

[Greebo]

Nobody said it would be easier to create hacks. It will only be easier to implement and administer hacks that are using the plugin hooks and the Data Manager.
I agree that it won't take any less skill to design robust modifications. But I think it probably *will* be somewhat easier to create the modifications for the hack makers because they'll have clearly defined access points to start from.

Coding against a well doc'd API is always easier to work with than trying to modify source code directly.

Of course, the trade-off is - you're limited to what the API lets you have access to if you stick to only the API.

[Corriewf]

I agree that it won't take any less skill to design robust modifications. But I think it probably *will* be somewhat easier to create the modifications for the hack makers because they'll have clearly defined access points to start from.

Coding against a well doc'd API is always easier to work with than trying to modify source code directly.

Of course, the trade-off is - you're limited to what the API lets you have access to if you stick to only the API.


The bottom line is that its changing the code structure and adding more rules to the way it can be inserted to comply with the plug in system.

Right now its coding into whatever however within ethical range defined by the community of vbulletin.

[flstreetscene]

Love 3.5, best improvement is the javascript refresh when posting. It's such a smart idea, I wonder why it didn't come up sooner? ;)

What does that mean? New posts will be shown without refreshing?

[yoyoyoyo]

What does that mean? New posts will be shown without refreshing?
check out this flash file that explains the javascript AJAX goodies that are going to be in the next version:

http://files.vbulletin.com/3.5/ajax.html

[Corriewf]

I seen how they were double clicking on the box to edit the title. I have some java code installed that gives me the ability to click anywhere on the box to open a forum or thread. I guess that will be gone. :(

[Dean C]

What does that mean? New posts will be shown without refreshing?

When making a new post it shows up instantly :)

[mekro]

Hi

Personally i look forward to the new upgrade with the new plugin system, after all remember when vb brought out 2-3 upgrades in 1-2 months period and everyone got upset that they had to upgrade then install mods again and again.

Basic fact is i would prefer it more just to overwrite the vb files instead of having to reinstall all mods again and again.

I guess as the saying goes you can't please everyone.

[Corriewf]

Any idea on how the styles are going to work?