Probably a solution for the "dubious coder" problem

[boeserwolf]

Hi all

I´ve read the thread below about the dubious coder hate, who did nothing for the the money, his customer paid.

This is just a suggestion how this problem may be avoided in the future.
There are 2 possible solutions.

1.) vbulletin.org may set up a "proved by vbulletin.org" system. Honest coders may send their references to vbulletin.org, and the get an extra titel
below their nickname "Proved coder" , so possible customers can see at a glance, that this coder is honest

2.) A rating system like eBay may be implemented, where possible customers can see what other customers think about the coder.

yours

Markus

[Dean C]

1) references can be faked

2) I think someone else just started a thread about this too :)

[boeserwolf]

So what we need is a honest coder :D to program the "rating hack"

And if another thread about this should exist, please close my thread or merge the threads.


yours


Markus

[Rick Sample]

I think the title ideal is good, I deserve one since I do so many requests lol :) But for real, the references can be fake, but I have had some satisfied clients actually post in their request when I got finished stating stuff like: Rick Sample does an excellent job, highly recommened, etc! So I mean those can't be fake! Just a thought :)

[boeserwolf]

You can´t be sure, that a reference isn´t faked. If the users has more then 1 account, he may rates himself.

The only thing you can do is the same thing eBay does. To send a letter by post to every member who wants to use the rating system.

There will always remain an element of uncertainty.

yours

Markus

[Xenon]

always remember, that the service request forum is just a platform to find someone.
It's not the main aspect of vb.org to bring together a professional coder with a customer.

that's why we won't change much here, as the main aspect is still free hacking community.

[boeserwolf]

hello stefan

yes you are right. this is just to place where customers can meet coders.

but since there is a special area where customers can pay for hacks, there should be a suitable solution to protect users here from black sheeps

yours

Markus

[Erwin]

Regarding your post:

1) We do not want to be an "accreditation" site. You can imagine the issues to do with this.

2) We are a volunteer hacking site. The Paid Requests forum is there for people's convenience.

I have some ideas though and may look into it.

[Polo]

I think this site should also look for the member's protection... I mean what can be done if members are ripped off by a specific individual...?

but also I think is important to think that this will bring alot of issues as erwin said...

maybe just activating the reputation system will help, (maybe not)... just a thought..

anyways, thanks for taking this issue in mind :)

[Paul M]

I don't see how the rep system would help - you will get points for all sorts of odd things, very few will be related to how honest you are ....

[Polo]

I don't see how the rep system would help - you will get points for all sorts of odd things, very few will be related to how honest you are ....
yeah.. that true...

[Borgs8472]

A seperate user profile field just for paid work would be nice, like reputation but you can only give it in the paid hacks forum or something.

* Borgs8472 would give positive feedback to Polo :)

[RichieBoy67]

Well, we also have to be careful because not all customers are honest either.... One person that isn't happy about something that you had no control over can tarnish your whole record...

Lets not go overboard here.

No offense but if you are going to pay someone who will provide no information at all and has no refrences and has only a few posts here....... you are asking to get ripped off....

Buyer Beware......

[nexialys]

the only serious thing that someone can handle with this problem is to build a commercial website like anyother freelancer website, where contracts are given with a lot of security , but the content is not a single way related to the main project itself...

vb.org have no way to control the members here, because it's an open community. each time someone steal a member, all the community suffer... imagine if a coder think he can make trouble by complaining about the rating he receive... flaming will be all around...

external and controled environment is the best... there is already some freelancers websites that offer project calls for vBulletin boards... they are supported by the security system, and payement systems like Escrow....

btw, we already tryed the rating discussion... last winter we had to "ban" someone, and we had a load of discussions, and abandonned a lot of ideas... and btw, the person stopped his activities, and hide now...

[Adrian Schneider]

Bad people will be bad people! Such a system won't really help much, and it will probably turn away the new coders from handling requests, because compared to everyone else, they will have the same credibility as them evil folks on new accounts.

Just look into the person you're doing business with, searching by posts is pretty useful if you are the buyer.