Trader Ratings v1.2.0

[eoc_Jason]

Trader Ratings - A user feedback hack
Copyright ?2004 Jason Rabel, All Rights Reserved.
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Latest TR Verson: 1.2.0
vB Versions: 3.0.0 - 3.0.9
Author: Jason Rabel
Contact: PM me here, I'll respond.
Site: EXTREME Overclocking (http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/)
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Updates:
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1.2.0 - September 4, 2004
- Added Trader Ratings Stats Page (finally!)
- Added PM notification when someone receives feedback
- Changed how positive feedback percentage score is calculated (bugfix)
- Ability to "close" the Trader Ratings pages (for maintainence or whatever) - TRATING_CLOSED
- Ability to set the URL field when submitting feedback to required or optional - TRATING_REQ_URL

1.1.0 - June 7, 2004
- Added time-based user edit/delete abilities, set via TRATING_UEDIT constant in traderratings.php file
- Userdate field is now an int field to be consistent with vBulletin
- Userrating field changed to tinyint to save space
- Fixed timeframes for showing historical ratings
- Made some various code consolidation
- Added missing ".TABLE_PREFIX." statement
- Templates.txt file shows code for postbit & MEMBERINFO, with conditional examples
- All 3 templates changed heavily
- Added some more phrases & fixed missing phrases

1.0.1 - June 2, 2004
- Fixed a "divide by zero" display error
- Postbit template fixed so guests do not have a trader rating

1.0.0 - June 1, 2004
- Initial Public Release

Description:
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Trader Ratings has evolved from my vB2 Buy/Sell/Trade User Rating System (https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=52188). This is a rating system for when members buy / sell / trade items from each other (presumably on a FS section of your forum). It is based on the honor system since there is no way to truly tell if they did engage in a transaction. (But I'm working on a way to fix that.) Trader Ratings came about because it was a pain to try and maintain a single thread listing good / bad traders and so far has worked out quite well.

Features:
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? Rate another member: Positive / Negative / Neutral
? Specify Buyer, Seller, or Trade
? Leave comments about the deal
? Records date when rating created
? Specify a URL to the deal
? Display ratings over time
? Filter based on Buyer/Seller/Trade/or feedback they left for others
? Users can edit/delete ratings left for others (time based limitation)
? Admins & Mods can edit/delete anyone's ratings (just incase)
? Stats page showing best & worst rated members, and recent ratings
? PM notification when a person is rated

Basic Info:
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I haven't written a FAQ or any real documentation yet, but the way the system works is very simple. The only part that might confuse someone is that the Feedback Score is based only on UNIQUE members. Also, there are simple checks in place to make sure they actually do select proper info and enter a comment. A user is not able to rate themself (obviously). Permissions for viewing / rating are similar to standard forum viewing / posting permissions. Also it checks to make sure users exist and all that good stuff.

Installation Info:
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This hack is very simply to implement requiring only:
? 1 new file
? 5 new templates / 2-3 template changes (navbar, posbit/postbit_legacy, MEMBERINFO, memberlist_resultsbit)
? 52 new phrases
? 1 new DB table / 1 table DB change & index

An install/upgrade PHP file is included to do all the template/phrase/DB stuff, so basically you run that, upload the file, and edit your postbit template. BAM!

Screen Shots / Demos:
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See Screenshots below, or you can view them on my forums: My Trader Rating Page (http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/traderratings.php?u=1)

Standard Disclaimer:
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BACKUP YOUR DATABASE & FILES BEFORE IMPLEMENTING THIS HACK!!!

Forums Using This Hack:
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EXTREME Overclocking Forums (http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/)
i-Club -- Forums (http://www.i-club.com/forums/)
Accord Tuner (http://www.accordtuner.com/)
NSX Prime (http://www.nsxprime.com/)
Honda-Acura.net (http://www.honda-acura.net/)
Guns Network (http://www.gunsnet.net/)
PimpRig (http://forums.pimprig.com/)

(PM me your forum if you want me to add you to the list)

Donations:
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This hack will always be free, however your donations are kindly accepted and will help towards further development. If you donate, please leave me some info (either your forum site or username at vB.org) so that I can thank you. :)
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/external/2010/02/12.gif (https://www.paypal.com/xclick/business=paypal%40extremeoverclocking.com&item_name=Trader+Ratings+Donation&no_shipping=1&cn=Your+Comments&tax=0&currency_code=USD)

Plans For Future Releases:
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? rebuttal / followup comments
? item description (possibly instead of thread url)
? button on thread that buyer/seller clicks to tie the transaction to two people

[atomic fireball]

the screenshots look beautiful!
let me be the first to thank you for porting this over the vB3 and I'll install later tonight. Thanks again!

[designBox]

First to reply.... :D
Seems to be awesome.
Thanks for the good work
THUMB UP

Edited: DAMNED.... now i am the second to thank you :P

[lifesourcerec]

Installed it and a blank "Trader Rating: ()"

[bgray]

Thanks so much Jason! Installing now. :)


After Install: I'm having a couple of issues with a blank install on a new board the options for adding a feedback seem a bit off. see www.webmastertrader.com for an example.

[lifesourcerec]

Thanks so much Jason! Installing now. :)


After Install: I'm having a couple of issues with a blank install on a new board the options for adding a feedback seem a bit off. see www.webmastertrader.com for an example.

You have to rename the upgrade_traderrating_vb2.php to upgrade_traderrating.php (remove the _vb2).

[lifesourcerec]

Got it working :) Jason for President!!

[lifesourcerec]

How do you leave feedback?

Also, this info doesn't show up (the data numbers are there, but not the text listed below in bold print:

Feedback Score:
Positive Feedback:
Members who left a positive:
Members who left a negative:
All positive feedback received:

[Imprezer]

Upgraded!

Works great!

I had it installed on my VB2 and after upgrading to VB3, I kept the DB tables since I was expecting this hack to be ported. Sure enough, the hack is here and the upgrade process went uber good.

Thanks again!

Alex

[eoc_Jason]

lifesourcerec & bgray - Check to make sure that it installed the phrases, you can search for "tratings" with the phrase search tool in the admincp.

Also, try commenting out the lines up at the top for:

$phrasegroups = array();

to

//$phrasegroups = array();

[lifesourcerec]

Phrases are there. Dunno what the deal is.

[eoc_Jason]

I had some trouble getting the phrases to display at first, this is the first time I have really messed with custom ones, but they are displaying on my forum just fine? I'll keep looking into it.

edit - does vb cache phrases? Maybe a cron job needs to run?

[Larry@IOG]

I installed on a new clean VB3 and I see no place to leave feedback. Also I see the trader feedback() but thats it.

Larry

[lifesourcerec]

Ok. Fixed. This is strange. I had to manually find one of the tratings phrase, click edit and then click save (didn't modify it). Now it works. Guess you have to do that to cache it.

[Imprezer]

Hmm...

I forgot to change the language ID.

How can I change it now?

All the phrases are installed, but are showing the language ID0 and I need it to be 1.

[lifesourcerec]

I installed on a new clean VB3 and I see no place to leave feedback. Also I see the trader feedback() but thats it.


Larry

Log out of the forum and then log back in. I had that problem at first also.

[lifesourcerec]

hehe only problem I have now is that I changed domain name. Wished phpmyadmin had a find and replace :).

[eoc_Jason]

Ah, so maybe that is it? (I honestly have no clue how phrases work). You can update the language id to be 1 if you run the following SQL statement:

UPDATE phrase SET languageid = 1 WHERE varname LIKE 'tratings%'

Someone let me know if that fixes it and I can update the zip.

[Imprezer]

Hmm again...

I kept the language ID at 0 and did what lifesourcerec said and it is all there. Weird. ;)

Oh well...

Everything is 100% now.

[eoc_Jason]

Imprezer - which of his suggestions worked?

Logging out then back in? or Searching for one of the phrases?

[Larry@IOG]

Log out of the forum and then log back in. I had that problem at first also.


Still not working. I will set up a account for you

Username: Test
Password: test

Website www.mustangbuyselltrade.com/forums

Thanks in advance

[lifesourcerec]

Are you using 2 template sets and have one under the default (Vbulletin 3)?

[Larry@IOG]

I just have one set under default
VB3

Larry

[eoc_Jason]

FOUND IT! Yes, vB does cache phrases... (doh)...

Lemme fix the install files real quick!

[lifesourcerec]

Imprezer - which of his suggestions worked?

Logging out then back in? or Searching for one of the phrases?

Heh, I know nothing about programming :). I just remember you mentioning cache. So, the subforum hack in vb2 came to mind where you had to edit and then save to get it to cache. Did that to the tratings phrase and everything worked.

[eoc_Jason]

Okay, I uploaded a file called refresh_phrases.php which will force the phrase cache to update. I need to fix the zip file to add the function in the installer php files... ;)

[lifesourcerec]

I just have one set under default
VB3

Larry

It has to do with the:

$post[ratetradetotal]

[alkatraz]

was waiting for this, thank you!!

[eoc_Jason]

Okay, the zip file has been updated, so now when people install it will force the phrase cache to update. As for the 18 people who downloaded the original zip, you can download the "refresh_phrases.php" file and manually run it in your admincp directory, or just wait for phrases to update.

Also, there was a slight problem with the traderratings.php file, I forgot to add 'user' to the phrase groups, you can either re-download the zip and upload the php file, or just edit your traderratings.php file and change the following to add the 'user' group (line 24 about):
// get special phrase groups
$phrasegroups = array('user');

[Odoin]

Thank you so much Jason!

[Imprezer]

I edit/saved one of the phrases.

When I look at all the phrases through MyPHPAdmin, I can see that most of them have language ID set to "-1" and some to "0".

The tratings phrases were set to "0".

What should they be set at? Right now, they are at "0" and everything works.

[Odoin]

Just go in and edit one of the phrases and do nothing and save it... it will then reload them :).

[eoc_Jason]

Or just download and run the PHP file I posted... The issue was because adding phrases via direct sql statments doesn't run the build_languages function, which IS run if you add/edit phrases via the CP.

However, they phrases should be set to 0 because they are custom phrases. -1 is default ones for base vB phrases (I think). I suppose you could set them to -1 but it wouldn't make a difference afaik.

Here's what I've been able to decypher so far (if there is official documentation on this, please someone LINK ME!)

-1 = Standard Phrase (aka default install)
0 = Custom Phrase
1 = English

EDIT - DOH, there is also a "Rebuild Languages" button under Languages & Phrases -> Language Manager.

[Imprezer]

Ok, cool.

If you want, Jason, you can link to my site as a showcase. I have a lot of TR data.

Thanks again,

- Alex

[GamerJunk.net]

Omg Thank You

[drumsy]

You are THE MAN!!! I have waited a LONG friggin' time for this to port to vB3 and I'm SO glad that it did!!! YOU ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[drumsy]

Installed at www.honda-acura.net

[drumsy]

Hmmm, in viewing members who have a positive score, I have no problems, but I just clicked on a user whose score is (-1) and I get this:

Warning: Division by zero in /home/hondaacu/public_html/forums/traderratings.php on line 114

Members with a score of (0) do not yield this error.

[drumsy]

Also, I have a user with 22 comments. Is there anyway to spill these over to another page?

[r6xual]

Where exactly do we add the postbit_legacy code into the template. I ran the install, however the traderrating is not showing up at all in the posts. Is there a cerain spot that the postbit.txt needs to be inserted? I also ran the refresh_phrases and still no luck. Any ideas??

[GamerJunk.net]

Ok got it installed but now I have a few problems...

My VBAdvanced mainpage is blank and so is my shoutbox.

What in this script could make those 2 go blank? Is it the permissions?

[GamerJunk.net]

Where exactly do we add the postbit_legacy code into the template. I ran the install, however the traderrating is not showing up at all in the posts. Is there a cerain spot that the postbit.txt needs to be inserted? I also ran the refresh_phrases and still no luck. Any ideas??
Well I put it right after age and before posrs

[Rampag33]

Damn this looks so good. I wish I had a use for this on my site this.
May have to alter a few things.

Great Work.

[eoc_Jason]

Drumsy - I'll take a look into the divide by zero, it should be a simple enough fix. As for pagination, it is set to the forum default (I think it's 40?), however you can manually change it to less if you edit the php file just look at the spot where it says:

// split thread over pages if necessary

But the newest ratings are at the top, so it shouldn't be an issue with that many on a single page.

r6xual - I added mine below the location field, but it's just a user preference how they like their postbit layed out.

[eoc_Jason]

There are no template (beyond one postbit edit) or file changes, so I don't know what would be causing your error...

Ok got it installed but now I have a few problems...

My VBAdvanced mainpage is blank and so is my shoutbox.

What in this script could make those 2 go blank? Is it the permissions?

[r6xual]

<if condition="$post['joindate']"><div>$vbphrase[join_date]: $post[joindate]</div></if>
<if condition="$post['field2']"><div>$vbphrase[location_perm]: $post[field2]</div></if>
<if condition="$post['age']"><div>$vbphrase[age]: $post[age]</div></if>
<div>Trader Rating: (<a>href="traderratings.php?$session[sessionurl]u=$post[userid]">$post[ratetradetotal]</a>)</div>

Thats a section out of my postbit_legacy template. Howver once again i ran the refresh phrase ph file and still nothing shows up in the posts for the trader rating.

Heres an example thread

http://www.gpfanatix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16

[stangcentral]

I am getting the following error when i try to install this....

Database error in vBulletin 3.0.1:

Invalid SQL: INSERT INTO vb3_phrase (languageid, varname, text, phrasetypeid) VALUES (0, 'tratings', 'Trader Ratings', 1)
mysql error: Duplicate entry 'tratings-0-1' for key 2

mysql error number: 1062

[Spinball]

Wow - being on another continent means when you wake up you already have the hack released and with some bug fixes.
Well done Jason.

[lifesourcerec]

I am getting the following error when i try to install this....

Database error in vBulletin 3.0.1:

Invalid SQL: INSERT INTO vb3_phrase (languageid, varname, text, phrasetypeid) VALUES (0, 'tratings', 'Trader Ratings', 1)
mysql error: Duplicate entry 'tratings-0-1' for key 2

mysql error number: 1062

That means it is already in your database. So, you may need to use the upgrade and not the new install.

[lifesourcerec]

Jason, how would I add a link to this in member profile? Easier for users to search and then view from member profile.

[Spinball]

One point Jason. If the person given a rating is now deleted, there are empty brackets in the rating screen. Perhaps you could put 'Guest' in there instead? Or whatever the default is for deleted users?

[Beermonster]

unbelievable easy to install :)

* Beermonster clicks install

[eoc_Jason]

Spinball - It would probably be wiser to edit your postbit and add an <if condition=> for a guest to not display a trader rating link.

I'll make that correction in the code, and also I need to fix a divide by zero that someone posted above. So 1.01 should be released within the next hour or so.

One point Jason. If the person given a rating is now deleted, there are empty brackets in the rating screen. Perhaps you could put 'Guest' in there instead? Or whatever the default is for deleted users?

[eoc_Jason]

Okay, v1.01 has been posted. I sent out an email to the list. There are also all the intructions in the readme for upgrading from 1.0->1.01

Anyone who still can't get their TR to work, please PM me or post again with your specific problem, I'm not sure who has fixed their issues and who hasn't in this thread. ;)

[Odoin]

This might have been asked... Also this might be simple or hard but I do not understand VB enough to know what it will take.... I want to display the user rating only in the forums that have items for sale or wanted.... Right now it displays in every forum... (postbit). Any ideas?

Thank you for your time.

[Spinball]

Hi Jason,
can I bring the other issue we were discussing by PM into the public arena incase there are other people in the same position?
Basically before we installed Jason's excellent hack for vB2, we manually kept records of trader ratings.
Our users naturally want to keep these points.
In the vB2 system, I just incremented their points in the user table the once and that was all that was needed.
Now, however, with the groovy list of ratings, I think an explanation as to where the extra points are from is neccessary.
To test this I have created a dummy entry in the rating table assigning 20 points to myself with the explanation that they were carried over from the manual system.
These points are shown in the posts for users - (excellent!) but not, however, in the ratings page for that user.
Now I appreciate that this might be difficult to achieve with the extra data like 'members who left a positive' and 'members whi left a negative' type statistics.
But would it be possible to make the feedback score at the top be SELECT sum(userrating) FROM user_rate_trade WHERE rateduser = the_user_id

[eoc_Jason]

One issue that comes up when you manually changed it is, you don't know how many were postitive, and how many were negative (or even neutral), nor do you know how many were from unique members. You just have an arbitrary number that sums up to something. Your solution is to simply take the difference of what is stored in the trade table and the rating you created, and create only all pos/neg entries to balance them out.

In all honesty I think it would just be better to drop what numbers you manually changed, and allow users to either re-rate whatever they can truly remember, or just let them live with their new (err, old) score and it can build up if they buy or sell more stuff. I don't consider it a life-altering event if a few points were lost.

However, since you seem intent on keeping their new numbers, your first SQL query that you PMed me will give you the score difference between the new and old. Then for each rating you will need to create the corresponding amount of rating rows in the trade table, which you can use either userid 0 (it should display a blank username) or 1 (which should be yours).

The whole point of the new ratings system is to display mostly by unique members, as to not over inflate a users rating (eBay, among many other sites and software packages do the same). I think it is more correct to see that X person has had X postitive feedback from unique people, rather than the same number from a single person. Changing the feedback score to not count by unique members is not difficult, however in the long run I don't think it should be done just for the sake of the few ratings that had to be manually inserted.

But, to answer your question, with v1.01 you will need to edit the traderratings.php file in two places to adjust the counting method. First at the very bottom in the tratings_user function, this is what recalculates and updates the rating score in the user tabel whenever a rating is added or deleted. Second is in the do=view section near the top, it's similar to the code in the function (In v1.02 I've actually changed it some so that it uses the same function.) But you can basically remove the "DISTINCT" clause out and that will count all entried, not members. But then you should probably change the text on the page accordingly since the pos/neg totals will no longer be by members either. (and the All positive feedback received part will be redudant).

Like I said before, I think it would probably be best just to drop the manual edits and let people gripe and moan for a while until they get over it, so that your ratings will be consistent with everyone elses and you won't have to always hack up code every time I post a new release (since I'm planning on adding a lot more features, I don't know how many will interfere with your plans for how you want it to function).

[eoc_Jason]

Oh yeah, I forgot to ask you guys, but would you be interested in me adding the ability for users to rate based on usergroups? It's not terribly hard. I actually use it on my site currently because new users can't use/see the FS/WTB section so it only makes sense for them not to be able to rate people.

[lifesourcerec]

For those with the


Trader Ratings: ()


issue, try logging out of the forum and re-signing in. Usually works for oue users.

[lifesourcerec]

Dunno if this is already a feature or not, but how can you make:

Specific URL mandatory and somehow make it where that a link a\can only be used twice (one time for each involved).

[sketch42]

Dunno if this is already a feature or not, but how can you make:

Specific URL mandatory and somehow make it where that a link a\can only be used twice (one time for each involved).


2 things .... i havent installed this yet but i want to install it on 2 templates what do i need to edit.. how do i find out what the style id's are?


also can u make it so only a thread from a particular forum(s) is valid?
so say my B/S/T forum is located at /forumdisplay.php?f=49 ; /forumdisplay.php?f=50 ; /forumdisplay.php?f=51

only threads from those forums would be valid?

also i almost forgot... i dont have access to phpMyadmin can u make a query install file?

[NameWolf]

Installed ! Great work.

Regards,

NW

[drumsy]

2 things .... i havent installed this yet but i want to install it on 2 templates what do i need to edit.. how do i find out what the style id's are?


also can u make it so only a thread from a particular forum(s) is valid?
so say my B/S/T forum is located at /forumdisplay.php?f=49 ; /forumdisplay.php?f=50 ; /forumdisplay.php?f=51

only threads from those forums would be valid?

also i almost forgot... i dont have access to phpMyadmin can u make a query install file?

The install file does your database modifications for you.

[sketch42]

The install file does your database modifications for you.
thanks... do u also know bout my first question bout the styles?

[EyeCrave]

Thanks.

I've had people asking me to implement a trading forum for DVDs. Thanks to this it makes it easier for me to watch over them.

[Bungie]

Very nice! Installation was a breeze. Exactly what I was looking for. Fine, fine job. ;)

[sketch42]

ok 2 things

i installed it and its great, but when i click on the trader rating on one of my templates i get a blank page one template works fine.. but not the other...

and second
The thread URL to the deal:
(optional)
can u make that mandatory
not an option??

Great hack ... clicks Install

[Spinball]

2 things .... i havent installed this yet but i want to install it on 2 templates what do i need to edit.. how do i find out what the style id's are?

I had to deal with something like this.
It's easy if you have a style used as a parent style of those you want to update.
I have a parent style which is not actually available for use by forum members but which acts as a parent for all 4 styles I have created for my members.
One of the child styles is usually the default one.
For the installation of this hack I made the parent style the default one and the installation process automatically updated the parent and all the child styles.
I then made usual style the default again.

The key to this is that if you update a parent style, all the children get updated automatically aswell.

[Spinball]

ok 2 things
i installed it and its great, but when i click on the trader rating on one of my templates i get a blank page one template works fine.. but not the other...


See my post above. I have the same problem when I installed the Arcade.
Basically the installation procedure gets the default template and edits it.
So it's edited your default template, left the other alone and of course that one won't work, now.
What you'll have to do now is edit the installtion script to just run the template editing process, make the non-working template the default and then run the installation.
In the future follow my advice above. (Hope this is right, Jason?).

[Spinball]

Jason I have a feature request which would be useful for us. If there were an option available within the trade rating screen to moderator/supermod/admin folks which allows all negative feedback to be listed then it would be easy to see whether some users have been 'spoiling' others' reputation without good cause.

[sketch42]

Jason I have a feature request which would be useful for us. If there were an option available within the trade rating screen to moderator/supermod/admin folks which allows all negative feedback to be listed then it would be easy to see whether some users have been 'spoiling' others' reputation without good cause.
why only negative... i can see ppl make up fake accnts and give themselves positive feedback... which is why i still hold that the showthread should be mandatory..

o and thank you spinball i edited the install file and everything worked great!!

[lifesourcerec]

If you want the thread URL to be mandatory,

In traderratings.php, find:

if ($userbuysell == 255 || $userrate == 255 || $usercomments == '') {


Replace with:

if ($userbuysell == 255 || $userrate == 255 || $usercomments == '' || $userurl == "") {


Then modify the phrase tratings_thread_url and removed the "(optional)" text.

--- Thanks to Jason for the code.

[sketch42]

If you want the thread URL to be mandatory,

In traderratings.php, find:

if ($userbuysell == 255 || $userrate == 255 || $usercomments == '') {


Replace with:

if ($userbuysell == 255 || $userrate == 255 || $usercomments == '' || $userurl == "") {


Then modify the phrase tratings_thread_url and removed the "(optional)" text.

--- Thanks to Jason for the code.
thank you thank you thank you!!!

[Spinball]

Dunno if this is already a feature or not, but how can you make:

Specific URL mandatory and somehow make it where that a link a\can only be used twice (one time for each involved).

I think this is a very good idea. You could even go one step further and make it so that the link to leave feedback is only available on trading threads and automatically refers to that thread.
On our forums it is against the rules to negotiate via PM since the mods can't see what's going on and then can't adjudicate should a problem occur. Only private details are passed via PM.
Forcing people to refer to a thread when leaving feedback would mean that unless they cheat and put in an unrelated thread (risking a ban) they must refer to a thread and therefore can't use PMs to trade.

[sketch42]

I think this is a very good idea. You could even go one step further and make it so that the link to leave feedback is only available on trading threads and automatically refers to that thread.
On our forums it is against the rules to negotiate via PM since the mods can't see what's going on and then can't adjudicate should a problem occur. Only private details are passed via PM.
Forcing people to refer to a thread when leaving feedback would mean that unless they cheat and put in an unrelated thread (risking a ban) they must refer to a thread and therefore can't use PMs to trade.
i agreeif u can control wat forum(s) the url is located tht would be even better but i think that this is somewhat in the works already

Plans For Future Releases:
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? rebuttal / followup comments
? limited editing / deleting by users
? stats page (maybe - show like top rated, most recent, etc)
? item description (possibly instead of thread url)[not too fond of the instead myself]
? email/PM notification when a user has been rated
? button on thread that buyer/seller clicks to tie the transaction to two people



possible to see trader rating on view profile page? and/or memberlist page?

[PranK]

love ya work. :)

i'll be installing tonight.

btw - site is www.skylinesaustralia.com

[eoc_Jason]

Phew... a ton of posts while I was asleep! Okay to answer a few questions...

1. The next release v1.02 will have a few changes of the changes you guys have been describing. (I'm not going to go into details cuz I don't want to make promises I can't deliver.)

2. *Probably* in 1.03 will be an option that will tie a buyer & seller together with a thread (via a button on the thread which the buyer must click, then they will have the option to rate each other). However I don't want to get rid of rating people where there isn't a threadid, as some sites & people do deal via PM or other means. So there will probably be a split into "Verified" and "Unverified" deals, where the verified has a link to the thread and all that jazz.

As for admin stuff, I know there needs to be something done to make it easier, but I'm having a hard time visualizing what the interface needs to look like exactly. If one person was giving a lot of people negative feedback, you can always go to his trader ratings and click the link to see who he left feedback for. I'll keep thinking about it, but the more input you guys can give me, the better.

Also I was thinking of making a stats page showing the higest & most rated people, and also the lowest. Possibly the last few ratings. How many ratings per day, avg per day, etc...

Lastly, I'm just curious, if I put up a paypal donate button on the first post, do you think any of you guys would dontate anything? I know this brings a lot of commerce to your sites, and also long-term member loyalty. I usually wouldn't do something like this, however I'm currently unemployed and in what little free time I have I've been spending all of it working on coding this, and helping people get it installed (and tweaked a couple servers too... hehe).

[Yahhoon23]

One little error that I'm sure can be fixed easily I hope.

When I click Feedback Left for Others I get this message.

Database error in vBulletin 3.0.0:
Invalid SQL: SELECT * FROM wireless_user_rate_trade LEFT JOIN wireless_user ON wireless_user.userid = wireless_user_rate_trade.rateduser WHERE user_rate_trade.userid = 9 ORDER BY userdate DESC, userrateid DESC LIMIT 0, 30
mysql error: Unknown table 'user_rate_trade' in where clause
mysql error number: 1109
Date: Thursday 03rd of June 2004 11:52:17 AM
Script: http://www.wirelessmatt.com/forum/traderratings.php?u=9&viewtype=4
Referer: http://www.wirelessmatt.com/forum/traderratings.php?u=9




The user I selected positively left feedback for another, so at first I thought it was because the person didn't leave feedback for anyone, but that's not the case.

[eoc_Jason]

Yahoon23 - that's a bug in the file, I forgot to add the ".TABLE_PREFIX." to the part after the WHERE clause...

Find line ~200 under the -> //Various View Types For Feedback Display
under the switch case 4: -> //Feedback Left for Others

WHERE user_rate_trade.userid

to

WHERE ".TABLE_PREFIX."user_rate_trade.userid

I thought I got all the SQL table prefixes, but I guess I missed one... ;)

[Yahhoon23]

Beautiful. Works like a charm.

Thanks alot.

Also, for those of you wanting a quick-fix until an updated version releases with the Trader Rating in the member profile. I just went and edited the memberinfo template and added the same postbit conditional.

It's not pretty, but for the time being, it's doing the trick.

[[H]Dazz]

Wow! Looks great. Now only if someone would pick up where vbTrader has left off this would be excellent.

[PAINTBALLM]

I love you :) lol

It would be awsome to have the star system too... after 10 feedbacks it changes to yellow star, after 20, blue, etc. etc. etc. Maybe an About ME page too to let people create their own info page ;) Heck, why not go all out and actually do an entire auction system to work for vbulletin. I'd pay :)

[r6xual]

I am still running into the same problem with it not showing up in the postbit, check out this thred http://www.gpfanatix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2.

The following is the code in my postbit_legacy. By looking at the code, it should show up under join date correct??

<if condition="$post['joindate']"><div>$vbphrase[join_date]: $post[joindate]</div></if>
<if condition="$post['userid']"><div>Trader Rating: (<a href="traderratings.php?$session[sessionurl]u=$post[userid]">$post[ratetradetotal]</a>)</div></if>
<if condition="$post['field2']"><div>$vbphrase[location_perm]: $post[field2]</div></if>
<if condition="$post['age']"><div>$vbphrase[age]: $post[age]</div></if>

I really would like to get this up and running, if anyone has any ideas. Thanks

[drumsy]

Lastly, I'm just curious, if I put up a paypal donate button on the first post, do you think any of you guys would dontate anything? I know this brings a lot of commerce to your sites, and also long-term member loyalty. I usually wouldn't do something like this, however I'm currently unemployed and in what little free time I have I've been spending all of it working on coding this, and helping people get it installed (and tweaked a couple servers too... hehe).

Put it up! :thumbup:

[[H]Dazz]

Do a complete classifieds/buy/sell/auction + your rating system.... :drool: I'd be all over that nad even pay a pretty penny.

[lifesourcerec]

Yeah, the stat page would be great.

[eoc_Jason]

You need to edit your 'postbit' template and add it there for your current style.

postbit = userinfo above the post (new vB3 style)
postbit_legacy = userinfo to the left of the post (vB2 style)

That's why it's not showing up... ;)

I am still running into the same problem with it not showing up in the postbit, check out this thred http://www.gpfanatix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2.

The following is the code in my postbit_legacy. By looking at the code, it should show up under join date correct??

I really would like to get this up and running, if anyone has any ideas. Thanks

[r6xual]

Pimp!!. Thanks a ton, got it working now!!

*clicky install*

[eoc_Jason]

Well, my long-term goal is to create a classifieds and auction add-in, and it will definitly integrate with these ratings. But that's a lot of code, and I'm still learning all the in's-and-out's of vB3, so this is a great primer. (Yes, it will be free too when I make it.)

In the mean time that's why I wanted to get a simple "transaction" button up that can be displayed on a per-forum basis. This will give some form of knowing who the buyer & seller are, and also tie it to a thread, then allow users to rate that "transaction". The shift from a thread to a classified/auction listing shouldn't be too difficult.

I got a paypal button up on the first page, thanks again guys for all your support. I try to keep the first post updated with stuff that I'm fixing/adding. I'm hoping to have 1.02 posted this weekend. Upgrading should be fairly quick and simply, it's really just changes in the PHP file, a DB modification, and maybe some phrases (so the upgrade should all be automated).

Thanks for the tip Yahhoon23, I wasn't sure if it could be a direct drop-in the members template or not, I'll have to check it out for myself.

PaintballM - lol, eBay is going to sue my poor arse! But stars should be easy enough to implement, and also an "about me" page. Also maybe grouping users based on their stars would be good for the stats page? :)

Another big thing I wanted to have was a selection for user location, in the same style that eBay does where it's just general-areas. I know a lot of my users just type random things like "in your closet" for the defailt location field. Maybe that can tie in with the "about me" page?

[PAINTBALLM]

For those who do not have full size layouts, and only using something around 750-755 pixels, the leave feedback page distorts the layout. I will write a fix for those of us who have smaller layouts in a little bit.

[PAINTBALLM]

open template: tratings_feedback

Replace entire code with the code in the attached TXT file. It will make it look like http://pbmessage.com/forums/traderratings.php?u=12&do=feedback

[eoc_Jason]

^^^ I designed it around a minimum width of ~1000 pixels (assuming users run 1024x768 as a bare minimum)...

If you want it to all fit on a smaller width, you will probably have to use a smaller font.

Also, people can't see the feedback page unless they are registered, you might just want to post a screenshot for your example.

The good thing is, with the minumum amount of templates, changes are simple... ;)

[RonH.]

Originally Posted by Larry@IOG

I installed on a new clean VB3 and I see no place to leave feedback. Also I see the trader feedback() but thats it.

Larry
Log out of the forum and then log back in. I had that problem at first also.I finally got around to installing this hack this morning but I too have not a clue as to how to leave feedback either. I've gone back and read and re-read all the posts here in this thread and finally figured out how to at least finally see/access the feedback link in a post but that is the extent of what I can see/do at this point.

Also, is there a panel/option in the AdminCP that I'm missing perhaps? Does one need to establish PERMISSIONS and if so, how - where?

I usually don't like to ask unless there is no other obvious solution visible to me. So if anyone can assist I'd appreciate it much.

[sketch42]

I finally got around to installing this hack this morning but I too have not a clue as to how to leave feedback either. I've gone back and read and re-read all the posts here in this thread and finally figured out how to at least finally see/access the feedback link in a post but that is the extent of what I can see/do at this point.

Also, is there a panel/option in the AdminCP that I'm missing perhaps? Does one need to establish PERMISSIONS and if so, how - where?

I usually don't like to ask unless there is no other obvious solution visible to me. So if anyone can assist I'd appreciate it much.

make sure you edited your postbit or posbit_legacy(depending which you use) template. there is no panel in the Admin CP all permissions are preset in the Hack. i.e.: No user can leave themselves feedback, Only admins can have the option to Delete Trader Ratings etc....

[RonH.]

make sure you edited your postbit or posbit_legacy(depending which you use) template. there is no panel in the Admin CP all permissions are preset in the Hack. i.e.: No user can leave themselves feedback, Only admins can have the option to Delete Trader Ratings etc....Thanks for the quick response. However I figured it out (by accident). It finally dawned upen me that I was looking at my own FEEDBACK page while logged in under my own username. I remebered Jason saying that was a no-no. So, me slaps meself upside the head and then goes and checks someone elses post and, wahla, there was the button Submit Feedback For .........

[RonH.]

OBTW - I did click 'INSTALL'.

[Freezerator]

Great hack!

I am looking forward tot version 1.2 :)

[Tilmanitou]

Oh yeah, I forgot to ask you guys, but would you be interested in me adding the ability for users to rate based on usergroups? It's not terribly hard. I actually use it on my site currently because new users can't use/see the FS/WTB section so it only makes sense for them not to be able to rate people.

Yeah!! That would be a pretty important feature for me as well as I use access rights pretty much as you do on your site. please integrate it! Shouldn't be a big thing if you already use it on your site? Thanks alot!

[eoc_Jason]

Well the user edit/del feature will definitly be in 1.2, and I should be able to add the usergroup stuff too.

I'll probably release 1.2 on Monday morning, not only do I have to finish the code, but also make sure the install & update scripts work properly. This update had to convert the userdate table to an int format (to be consitent with the rest of vB) so that I can restrict time editing, and now I'm having to re-do a lot of things for date grouping.

[lifesourcerec]

:) What should we look for in v1.02?

[eoc_Jason]

I just finished coding up the edit/del feature. You can customize the time to whatever you want (or disable it to prevent regular user editing). Mods/admins have the right to edit/delete all feedback.

I made all the necessary changes to the DB & code, there was a lot of re-write to support the editing & permissions and such, I'm not sure if I will consolidate it before this next release or not. (I try to write functions whenever feasable.)

Sunday I'll probably code in the usergoup permission stuff, convert some new text to phrases, and write the upgrade/install scripts. If nobody reports any bugs to me on my forum then I'll release v1.10 on Monday morning.

I think user based editing/deletion will really help out a lot and reduce those PMs from members saying "hey, I made a mistake rating this person..." ;)

One thing I *might* change in the future is a soft/hard delete option, kinda like what you can do with threads. But I'm not really sure it's worth the effort...

[BamaStangGuy]

How do I make it where it only shows the Trader Rating (0) in postbit for certain forums?

I only want that to show in the For Sale sections of my forum.

[eoc_Jason]

Well, depending on if you have only 1 FS section or multiple, there's a couple ways you can do it, but both require editing your postbit template and using some conditionals. Also someone asked about specific user groups so I'll include those too:

Here's some examples (note, this code will be included with 1.1.0):

For specific member group (or sub-group):

<if condition="is_member_of($post, 11)">
(trader ratings row)
</if>


For specific forum section:

<if condition="$thread[forumid] == 200">
(trader ratings row)
</if>


For multiple forum sections:

<if condition="in_array($thread[forumid],array(200,201))">
(trader ratings row)
</if>


Combining the two together:

<if condition="is_member_of($post, 11) && in_array($thread[forumid],array(200,201))">
(trader ratings row)
</if>



Hope that helps out... FYI, I'm still coding the upgrade script for 1.1.0. Should be up soon though.

[eoc_Jason]

Okay, version 1.1.0 has been officially released. I tested out the upgrade and install scripts, however please post your upgrade/install results (good & bad) so I know if it is working or not. :)

There are some pretty big code & template changes in 1.1.0, be sure to backup your user_rate_trade table and 3 trating_xxx templates!!! (I can't stress this enough!) The update makes several changes to the DB table, and will overwrite the trating templates!

I'll be posting updated screenshots in a few. Read the CHANGELOG.txt & README.txt file more more info.

[NexVision]

upgrade script worked beautifully

[EyeCrave]

Works like a charm. Thanks again.

[Yahhoon23]

Worked Perfect on mine as well using a table prefix.

Great Job.

[lifesourcerec]

I went ahead and re-added the code to make the link mandatory.

[sketch42]

everything works like a charm ;)

just one question but where do i add this code? am i replacing the existing code on the postbit? im not to clear on that
<if condition="in_array($thread[forumid],array(49,52,53,54,55))">
(trader ratings row)
</if>

[eoc_Jason]

Right, so the part where you have <div>Trader Ratings....</div>

Put the <if...> before that row, and the </if> after that row in the postbit/postbit_legacy.

[sketch42]

Right, so the part where you have <div>Trader Ratings....</div>

Put the <if...> before that row, and the </if> after that row in the postbit/postbit_legacy.
forgive me .. im a little slow today...lol like this?!?! correct?

<if condition="$post['userid']"><if condition="in_array($thread[forumid],array(49,52,53,54,55))">
(trader ratings row)<div>Trader Rating: (<a href="traderratings.php?$session[sessionurl]u=$post[userid]">$post[ratetradetotal]</a>)
</div></if>

[eoc_Jason]

Here, use this:

<if condition="$post['userid'] && in_array($thread[forumid],array(49,52,53,54,55))">
<div>Trader Rating: (<a href="traderratings.php?$session[sessionurl]u=$post[userid]">$post[ratetradetotal]</a>)</div>
</if>

[CADguru]

We already hold a "rating" system on our board monitored by a moderator. Is it possible to add existing old scores into a users Trade Rating profile to get kick started? (obviously without any comments or times)

Your system installed like a dream by the way :)

Mike

[sketch42]

Here, use this:

<if condition="$post['userid'] && in_array($thread[forumid],array(49,52,53,54,55))">
<div>Trader Rating: (<a href="traderratings.php?$session[sessionurl]u=$post[userid]">$post[ratetradetotal]</a>)</div>
</if>



thats weird... i get this error when i used your code
Parse error: parse error, expecting `T_STRING' or `T_VARIABLE' or `T_NUM_STRING' in /home/httpd/vhosts/hofoufn.com/subdomains/vb/httpdocs/includes/adminfunctions_template.php(3037) : eval()'d code on line 194
but mine i dont get a parse error... :confused:

[eoc_Jason]

It shouldn't generate an error... maybe try removing the '' from that first $post['userid'] You can nest it with two if's (your example), however make sure you have two closing if's (one for each), in your code above you only had one...

[eoc_Jason]

You would have to show me how the old one is maintained, I might be able to give you some tips to port it over.

We already hold a "rating" system on our board monitored by a moderator. Is it possible to add existing old scores into a users Trade Rating profile to get kick started? (obviously without any comments or times)

Your system installed like a dream by the way :)

Mike

[sketch42]

It shouldn't generate an error... maybe try removing the '' from that first $post['userid'] You can nest it with two if's (your example), however make sure you have two closing if's (one for each), in your code above you only had one...
that was it!!! lol i had 2 closing </if>'s when i put your code.. i forgot to delete one of them d'oh!!! :lick:

[cka]

Very nice. I'll have to click the ol' install since I put this on a forum I administer. One thing that kinda bugged me however was that the install script didn't add the templates to all the styles at once, but I was able to get around that relatively easily. Great job overall!

[eoc_Jason]

Well, since different people have a different styleid as their root, I didn't want to just pick a number out of the blue. I'll probably modify it so the user can select with a dropdown which one they want to install to in a future release. But at the same time I tried to make the whole install of the hack as automated as possible for people who don't know much about how vB works.

Also, it is my first time coding an installer, it's either that or a massive txt file with all the stuff to do... ;)

[drumsy]

Database error on upgrade:

Database error in vBulletin 3.0.1:

Invalid SQL: ALTER TABLE user_rate_trade DROP INDEX rateduser_2
mysql error: Can't DROP 'rateduser_2'. Check that column/key exists

mysql error number: 1091

Date: Monday 07th of June 2004 11:41:32 PM
Script: http://www.honda-acura.net/forums/admincp/upgrade_traderratings.php
Referer: http://www.honda-acura.net/forums/admincp/upgrade_traderratings.php
Username: Daniel
IP Address: 24.74.93.185


I'm looking in the database and I don't see that column there either. I took a look at your install file, and I see where it would install in there from a blank canvas, but I upgraded from the vB2 version. What am I missing and what query can I run to either get taht column in there or have the upgrade file skip that step.

[eoc_Jason]

Drumsy - Yeah, that happened to one other peson, because the indexes were missing beforehand.

You will need to manually run the following SQL statements to complete the upgrade:

ALTER TABLE user_rate_trade DROP userdate;
ALTER TABLE user_rate_trade CHANGE datetmp userdate INT(10) UNSIGNED DEFAULT '0' NOT NULL;
ALTER TABLE user_rate_trade ADD INDEX rateduser_2 (rateduser,userdate,userrating);
ALTER TABLE user_rate_trade ADD INDEX rateduser_3 (rateduser,userbuysell,userdate,userrateid);

[drumsy]

Actually I just commented out those lines and refreshed the screen. Seems to have worked! :thumbup:

[eoc_Jason]

commented out? I hope you mean the code above the alter table lines I posted previously? You have to let it drop the old userdate table and rename the new one because of how time is stored and utilized in the new version.

[drumsy]

Correct. I commented everything from the lines dropping those columns and above. All of the additions went through successfully.

[cogimo]

HI

I just installed the trader rating hack, when I try to go to traderratings.php

I get this message

I made all the changes per instructions

This user has not registered and therefore does not have a profile to view.

Please advise

[cogimo]

HI

I just installed the trader rating hack, when I try to go to traderratings.php

I get this message

I made all the changes per instructions

This user has not registered and therefore does not have a profile to view.

Please advise

I fixed the first problem


he second problem I am having is the rating is above the forum post, how do I get it below the usertitle

please see this example

http://www.celebratingfathers.com/board/showthread.php?t=23

[eoc_Jason]

Move the traderratings code in your postbit to below the usertitle variable....

[eoc_Jason]

Okay, last night I couldn't sleep so I pondered on the part of making verified deals, and conceptually here's what I have come up with:

1. In your forum's FS/WTB section, whenever a user makes a new thread, the first post has an additional buton somewhere. Not sure of the name yet, maybe "Deal" or "Buy/Sell" or whatever...

2. Anyhow, people can reply to the thread as usual, however when someone agrees to purchase/sell said item, they click on the button in the first post. This does two things. First - it closes the thread and prepends the thread title with "SOLD -". Second - It creates a relationship between the user who clicked the button, and the person who posted the thread.

(Maybe have an intermediary page that confirms that they do indend to purchase/sell said item and must check a box before confirming.)

3. It will send a PM to both people, just as notification of the transaction. Also in each member's trader ratings page it will have a "pending transactions" link.

4. Under the pending transactions page it lists people who they have done the steps above. If neither person has rated each other, there will be a "cancel" button, however both parties much cancel for it to actually take place, then the original thread will automatically be reopend and title changed back. If one person rates the other, then neither can cancel the deal. They will also have a preset amount of time to rate the other person before the opportunity is lost.

5. The old rating still will still be in place, however they will be considered "unverified" deals. With the steps mentioned above, they will be considered "verified" deals, since there is a link back, they clicked the link with the knowledge of engaging in the transaction, etc...



Overall this shouldn't be too difficult to implement, and I think will enhance this hack a lot. Please give your feedback & suggestions as it's easier to make changes before I start writing/changing any code... ;)

[Yahhoon23]

I love it except for one minor detail that may create problems.

Say for example someone does in fact clicks the button and then decides they don't want to purchase the item. What will take place? I mean like eBay :) for example once you use Buy It Now, technically the same deal, if someone doesn't pay, they force being left negative feedback and the seller has to re-list or re-post the item.

So with this, are we making the buy/sell relationship that strict whereas the person buying will in turn have no choice after they hit the button and confirm, and they must purchase or have no choice but recieve negative feedback.

My main point is how strict in fact the button will be. I love the idea of after clicking the button it closes the thread and PMs both users but I just don't want people to be forced into deals as a result of clicking the button.

I guess actually maybe it won't matter and this whole post was meaningless because as long as you can be clear with how it will work to your forum members, it shouldn't be that much of a problem.

[Yahhoon23]

Ok nevermind. I decided to skip reading #4 and #5 and decided to just start typing without reading your whole post :)

That actually makes it alot better with those options and doesn't necessarily lock them into a deal.

[sketch42]

Okay, last night I couldn't sleep so I pondered on the part of making verified deals, and conceptually here's what I have come up with:

1. In your forum's FS/WTB section, whenever a user makes a new thread, the first post has an additional buton somewhere. Not sure of the name yet, maybe "Deal" or "Buy/Sell" or whatever...

2. Anyhow, people can reply to the thread as usual, however when someone agrees to purchase/sell said item, they click on the button in the first post. This does two things. First - it closes the thread and prepends the thread title with "SOLD -". Second - It creates a relationship between the user who clicked the button, and the person who posted the thread.

(Maybe have an intermediary page that confirms that they do indend to purchase/sell said item and must check a box before confirming.)

3. It will send a PM to both people, just as notification of the transaction. Also in each member's trader ratings page it will have a "pending transactions" link.

4. Under the pending transactions page it lists people who they have done the steps above. If neither person has rated each other, there will be a "cancel" button, however both parties much cancel for it to actually take place, then the original thread will automatically be reopend and title changed back. If one person rates the other, then neither can cancel the deal. They will also have a preset amount of time to rate the other person before the opportunity is lost.

5. The old rating still will still be in place, however they will be considered "unverified" deals. With the steps mentioned above, they will be considered "verified" deals, since there is a link back, they clicked the link with the knowledge of engaging in the transaction, etc...



Overall this shouldn't be too difficult to implement, and I think will enhance this hack a lot. Please give your feedback & suggestions as it's easier to make changes before I start writing/changing any code... ;)
the only problem i have with this is the fact that the thread is getting closed based on this unknown buyer.. forcing the seller into a transaction with a possible scammer... if anything when the buyer clicks the button it should send a pm to the seller (thread starter) and when he returns to the thread he see a butoon to confirm the transaction therupon closing the thread or deleting the transaction... just like you can on ebay with suspicious bidders... you .. as the seller choose to cancel this persons bid or not...

other than that... great idea

[eoc_Jason]

Hmm, that's a good idea, I like where the thread starter has to come back and verify the person's intent to purchase.... ;)

[drumsy]

What about instances where a thread has multiple items for sale? This can get quite crazy for our members to be making multiple threads for a garage full of items they are wanting to sell.

[Ted S]

Amazing hack... live and running on www.scubaboard.com (when I have soem free time I'll be sure to give you some feedback on the verrified idea as I've built similar systems in the past).

[eoc_Jason]

Well at my forum the FS section is divided up into subsections, so each post is pretty much one item (or combo) for sale. It has worked well this way thus far... and thread titles have become much more descriptive (instead of "just a lot of stuff I'm sellin")...

When the classified/auction system is written, you can only list one item (or multiplies of the same items) anyhow... (like ebay)...

What about instances where a thread has multiple items for sale? This can get quite crazy for our members to be making multiple threads for a garage full of items they are wanting to sell.

[Yahhoon23]

Yeah, that is how we do it on ours as well.

We limit people to selling a certain amount of items in regular sections so each member can only make a thread for one item, and another thread for another item. We limit our members to an x amt of items to sell per month then have another forum called Dealer Section for people that want to sell a vast quantity of items and have to pay the site a certain monthly or yearly fee to be able to sell in the Dealer Section (We give them their own subforum).

[BamaStangGuy]

Well at my forum the FS section is divided up into subsections, so each post is pretty much one item (or combo) for sale. It has worked well this way thus far... and thread titles have become much more descriptive (instead of "just a lot of stuff I'm sellin")...

When the classified/auction system is written, you can only list one item (or multiplies of the same items) anyhow... (like ebay)...
A auction system for Vb would be awsome!

[CADguru]

You would have to show me how the old one is maintained, I might be able to give you some tips to port it over.

To be honest we just have a list of verified transactions by members with a "rating" next to their name. Currently all succesful sales are repoirted to one moderator who tirelessly updates the ratings thread :surprised:

Therefore we have a list of user names with nuimeric number ratings and just need to add these to the Trader Rating rather than start them at (0)

Many thanks
Mike

[eoc_Jason]

CADguru - well the actual trader rating is based on unique userids... so even if you created dummy rankings, it would be most appropriate to set them to a uid of 0 (so no name is displayed as the buyer/seller)... In theory you could modify the SQL code so that userid 0 would not be distinct, but the rest would be...

Everyone Else - So do you think it would be more worthwhile to just start working on a classifieds / auction hack (with the trader ratings system of course) rather than just try to bodge together this "buy/sell" button concept thing? I think there could be potentially 3 listing types, 1. classfieds (listings with no time limit till the user removes it), 2. auctions & 3. buy it now (time-limited listings)....

I think it would still be worthwhile to continue developing this hack, adding things like the rebuttal / followup comments, and a stats page...

Please let me know what you guys think...

[sketch42]

CADguru - well the actual trader rating is based on unique userids... so even if you created dummy rankings, it would be most appropriate to set them to a uid of 0 (so no name is displayed as the buyer/seller)... In theory you could modify the SQL code so that userid 0 would not be distinct, but the rest would be...

Everyone Else - So do you think it would be more worthwhile to just start working on a classifieds / auction hack (with the trader ratings system of course) rather than just try to bodge together this "buy/sell" button concept thing? I think there could be potentially 3 listing types, 1. classfieds (listings with no time limit till the user removes it), 2. auctions & 3. buy it now (time-limited listings)....

I think it would still be worthwhile to continue developing this hack, adding things like the rebuttal / followup comments, and a stats page...

Please let me know what you guys think...
i dont believe everyone needs an auction/classified system i wouldlike to see further developement of theis hack as far as the connection between the buyer/seller and rebuttal

[Pro]

i did everything on the read me file... but now i get a BLANK PAGE when i click on the "trader rating" links? any reason?

[eoc_Jason]

did you upload the traderratings.php file?

can you give the url to your forum?

[sketch42]

i did everything on the read me file... but now i get a BLANK PAGE when i click on the "trader rating" links? any reason?
also are u using more tha one style... if so did u apply the changes to both styles...
i had the same problem on my second style

[eoc_Jason]

Oh yeah, I didn't think about that, thx for mentioning it sketch... ;)

[Pro]

well this was my Default style... it said it got this one in the install?

yeah Jason i uploaded the file three times actually. That's what i thought was wrong lol but it shows it's there...?

http://illicitrap.com/board/

and if you go to the straight link it shows up perfectly... although im the admin and it gives me the page that says "you are either not logged in or banned" ya know?

http://illicitrap.com/board/traderratings.php

[Pro]

hmmmm... now when i click that last link i get the following: This user has not registered and therefore does not have a profile to view.


any ideas?

thanks

[eoc_Jason]

Seems to be working for me? --> http://illicitrap.com/board/traderratings.php?u=376

You have to have a userid to view... lol. There is no "default" page...

[Pro]

^ i still get a blank white page man?

since i can't take a screen shot... i'll show you the source of the page

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1252"></HEAD>
<BODY></BODY></HTML>

im confused... :ermm:

[Ted S]

CADguru - well the actual trader rating is based on unique userids... so even if you created dummy rankings, it would be most appropriate to set them to a uid of 0 (so no name is displayed as the buyer/seller)... In theory you could modify the SQL code so that userid 0 would not be distinct, but the rest would be...

Everyone Else - So do you think it would be more worthwhile to just start working on a classifieds / auction hack (with the trader ratings system of course) rather than just try to bodge together this "buy/sell" button concept thing? I think there could be potentially 3 listing types, 1. classfieds (listings with no time limit till the user removes it), 2. auctions & 3. buy it now (time-limited listings)....

I think it would still be worthwhile to continue developing this hack, adding things like the rebuttal / followup comments, and a stats page...

Please let me know what you guys think...

I think the best way to insure the system is both effective and accurate is to build in a classified type module as per your description. Every site may not need this feature but the hack would not be for every site. At ScubaBoard our marketplace is just starting to grow and while we have a few listings a day, things aren't huge. If however we had a full on classified buy/trade system it would only help to grow things out. To say you can ever have an ebay quality feedback program without actually charging for transactions is pretty much impossible but you can make it better. I don't think you need to take it to the full auction level although that would be pretty cool, simply allowing for classified postings with responses and perhaps offers would be more than enough....

Here's my main idea for a classifieds system:
1) Buyer posts their offer/request
2) People post followups which can be either public questions or offers (or private ones)
3) Once the seller/poster finds an offer they like they click "accept offer" and then they can do their whole feedback thing.

This is a simple system yet much more effective then trying to hack some portion of the forum system to make it work for certain categories but not others and so forth. Again there would be an easy way to inflate #s but you know what, that's ok, people can always chat... having a recorded history of their purchases/transactions in a public forum is more than enough to let people understand the true history of any "trader".

[RonH.]

Everyone Else - So do you think it would be more worthwhile to just start working on a classifieds / auction hack (with the trader ratings system of course) rather than just try to bodge together this "buy/sell" button concept thing? I think there could be potentially 3 listing types, 1. classfieds (listings with no time limit till the user removes it), 2. auctions & 3. buy it now (time-limited listings)....

I think it would still be worthwhile to continue developing this hack, adding things like the rebuttal / followup comments, and a stats page...

Please let me know what you guys think...I'd naturally choose a classifieds / auction hack (with the trader ratings system of course). I for one would be willing to pay $$$ for it as long as it is reasonable and supported. I'd be willing to perhaps pay in the range $50 - $125. The final amount would depend upon on quality and support quite naturally.

[BamaStangGuy]

Some Suggestions

1) When someone leaves you feedback it emails you letting you know someone has left you feedback

2) When you leave someone feedback it displays to the other person a message reminding them to also leave feedback for the person who gave them feedback. Like Ebay does when you buy something.

3) Have the Trader Rating (4) in Postbit color coded for postive and Negative Feedback. If they have Postive Numbers it will be green and red for negative.

[eoc_Jason]

1. I thought about that, and will probably add an option choice for PM/email, however most people notice when their rating changes pretty quick.

2. It *could* be done, but with no way to tie a transaction together, it's tough to know if the person has already rated them for that specific transaction or not. Read a few posts back about the verified transaction idea.

3. This would be done with conditionals in the postbit & memberinfo templates. it would be like <if condition="$... >= 0">one color<else />another color</if>

[eoc_Jason]

you sure you aren't viewing a non-standard styleid (since admins can and regular users can't)? Cuz if I can see it as a guest, then that's about the only reason I can think that you wouldn't see it...

^ i still get a blank white page man?

since i can't take a screen shot... i'll show you the source of the page

im confused... :ermm:

[eoc_Jason]

Well, the good thing about vB3 is you can create a forum section, but place it a manual link for it, so the whole classified/auction system could be self-contained and wouldn't require hacking a bunch of vB3 files. (I'm a minimalist as-is because I like to do quick upgrades).

Your idea kind of seems like the discussion that I first mentioned about just the extra link in a thread. However I think a full categorized classifieds/auction section would be the way to go for most forums that have moderate commerce going on. Also, it would draw in more people since it would bring a site to a whole new level. I guess the classifieds could also be considerd maybe a vendor section, and allow "stores" for individuals to group all their items they are selling and whatnot.

Conceptually I imagined having montly "credits" for each user, so they could post X amount of items free of charge, however people who conduct a lot of business would then need to purchase additional "credits". (Completely optional, but I think it's a good idea.)

I really can't give an ETA for anything right now, I'm currently unemployed, which I'm looking for a job (which everyone knows how time consuming that is), I also run my forum and a couple websites (also extremely time consuming), but I try to code in my spare time, I like to do general PHP/MySQL stuff, things for vB, and also my Stats Page for Folding@Home (http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/).


Here's my main idea for a classifieds system:
1) Buyer posts their offer/request
2) People post followups which can be either public questions or offers (or private ones)
3) Once the seller/poster finds an offer they like they click "accept offer" and then they can do their whole feedback thing.

This is a simple system yet much more effective then trying to hack some portion of the forum system to make it work for certain categories but not others and so forth. Again there would be an easy way to inflate #s but you know what, that's ok, people can always chat... having a recorded history of their purchases/transactions in a public forum is more than enough to let people understand the true history of any "trader".

[mpc]

OK Im not sure where to begin but Im a little confused with this hack. We have vb 3.0.1 installed and we installed the hack now all we are seeing is below every post there is Trader Rating (0). We have fond no where to actually enter the rating you can click on the 0 but it just goes to a blank page.

[atomic fireball]

eoc_Jason, thanks for the excellent hack. I can't believe how easy it was to install!

Just touching on the idea of one sale item per post being manditory in a future version, that might not be a good idea for some forums, especially those that trade CDs or DVDs. Usually people put up a list of 20 DVDs or so they are looking to swap, and if they had to create a single post per DVD, it could get ugly.

I love this hack, and wanted to express my thanks again! Cheers!

[eoc_Jason]

Check the posts above with the discussion about which styleid the templates are on vs. the ones you are using. If the templates on not on the styleid you are using (or a parent style) then a blank page is displayed....

OK Im not sure where to begin but Im a little confused with this hack. We have vb 3.0.1 installed and we installed the hack now all we are seeing is below every post there is Trader Rating (0). We have fond no where to actually enter the rating you can click on the 0 but it just goes to a blank page.

[mpc]

Thanks Jason got it going great hack.

[Watson]

Is there anyway I can get the user rating to dissapear from above the usernames in my forums, and have it in beside the posts, and the reputation

Allowing it still to be clickable.

http://forums.bootleg.org.uk

Also I am looking for a way to admin it better, am I able to edit every single comment that is made by people to other people? Cause mine will be done solely on a trust thing, as alot of stuff will be done via pm, as I have alot of traders, and they prefer not to disclose their address via forums.

But I imagine some people will start to sign up and give themselves good ratings, or give others bad ratings for a laugh.

Also looking for some way so that the user has to have a certain amount of rep points before they can actually give someone a rating, so its the trusted people that use the forums that are able to do this.

And great hack, just what I needed for my bootleg trading forums.

* Watson installs

www.bootleg.org.uk to add to the list.

And hope my post helps some for the admin menu bit. Really needing some security done on it :D

***edit*** Managed to get the User Rating in the Wee bit under me post count etc :D

[Yahhoon23]

Edit: Nevermind, I saw your edit.

Also, I don't see how letting them allow to discuss transaction addresses etc in PM would be a bad thing.

You can have them discuss all their trades, prices, negotiations, etc in their threads, but just have them send each other addresses etc via PM.

As for someone signing up and giving themself a rating, if you use the conditionals he provided for only being threads that are in x forums, then use a promotion allowing people after x amt of days registered or x amt of psots to be able to see the buy/sell/trade areas that stops people from signing up to boost their feedback.

Without using that option, the best you can do to prevent people to do that, is just make examples out of people and ban everyone who does it.

I have moderators that will be checking ratings whenever they feel like looking, and if they see a fake thread or fake feedback, that user will be banned permanently on the spot.

[Yahhoon23]

And actually, I was wrong sorry. I was thinking the array that was shown would make it check the forums you pick to make sure the threads or whatever they posted as the transaction link was in those forums.

Nevermind Sorry.

[Chriss74]

I installed the hack and when I start the hack via traderratings.html I get the error:

"This user has not registered and therefore does not have a profile to view."

Even after log off and log in, the error still occurs. I also changed a phrase to clear the cache - without success.

If I use traderratings.htlm?u=1 it shows me my (empty) trader-profile. That seem to work correctly.

What is wrong?
Thanks for any hint!
Chriss

[Watson]

Yeah Yahhoon, promotions are my friend :D

I could try summit like that I spose :D

[eoc_Jason]

You have to view a user, there is no page if you just call traderratings.php, technically it searches for userid 0. Eventually I'll probably make a stats page which will be the default if no userid is specified.


I installed the hack and when I start the hack via traderratings.html I get the error:

"This user has not registered and therefore does not have a profile to view."

Even after log off and log in, the error still occurs. I also changed a phrase to clear the cache - without success.

If I use traderratings.htlm?u=1 it shows me my (empty) trader-profile. That seem to work correctly.

What is wrong?
Thanks for any hint!
Chriss

[eoc_Jason]

Watson - All Admins/Mods by default can edit/delete anyone's feedback. Users by default can only edit/delete feedback they leave for someone within 5 minutes of leaving the feedback. A person can not rate themself (hence the missing link), and guests can not rate people either (obviously).

I'm not sure what you mean by their addresses via forums? None of my users post their address publically (or any personal info for that matter).

I think Yahhoon23 gave some good suggestions, I too only allow a certain usergroups the right to use the trader ratings system (as well as see the FS/WTB section).

This hack was meant to be simple (hence the minimal changes to vB). You can add conditionals and checks in the code if you want to check for threads, usergroups, reputation, whatever. However like in my original post, this hack is meant to be based on trust (kind of like user reputation).

Since running this hack back on vB2, I have had zero issues with people intentionaly trying to abuse the system. The most I really had were people who mis-rated someone by accident (however now with the user edit abilities that's eliminated). People on my site know they will get banned for abusing the forum, which includes Trader Ratings. Unless you have a bunch of immature kids on your forum, you more than likely will have little to no issues with abuse.

Again, read (or at least skim) this thread, I'm planning on continuing development of this hack, however it will still be based on a "trust" system for the most part. It just doesn't make sense to hack the crap out of vB files and templates to make something work, when a complete classifieds/auction add-in could be built from the ground up, and be self contained for the most part.

The furthest I will probably take this hack is a link in FS threads that ties two people to that thread and then they can rate each other. (even though it sounds simple, it is a lot more code and templates than you might think).

[teksigns]

any idea on the timeframe for the next release ?

[eoc_Jason]

There is no time-frame that I can give you. Simply, when it is done and at a stable point in the code. There's a lot I want to add, but it all just depends on how much free time I have to do it.

Right now my top priority is finding a job as I have been unemployed over 6 months. (Gotta pay the bills, ya know.)

any idea on the timeframe for the next release ?

[Watson]

Yeah I think I am just gonny go for the promotions system.

Aint sure what I should do it as though, Mabye days Registed or something :D

**edit

I forgot to ask how I would go about setting this to only a certain user group can rate.

And also can I make it so only that usergroup can rate, but All other usergroups can read them.

Also this would be good to incorporate into a top5 sort of thing I was thinking about, to have at the top of forums home.

There are alot of new thread things etc, but I was thinking of a Top 5 Threads by Post, by view, and also a 5 newest posts. But also have the top 5 Members by rating.

Just an idea, and totally different mod I spose tho

[EyeCrave]

Hey Jason,

I have a quick question for you. I've read all the posts after 1.1.0 release and you seem to be heading towards a classified/auction type system.

I'm using the system for a DVD trading club and don't want to lose the trade features of this hack. Will it trading still be kept in mind for future releases?

[eoc_Jason]

Watson - look at the extra template examples with the is_member_of function to allow only specific user groups. You will need to change this on your trating_display template, and also add it to the proper actions in the traderratings.php file.

EyeCrave - The classified/auction system will be separate from this hack, but the two will be able to be tied / work together. It will be a long way down the line before I even start doing that one, so don't worry. ;)

[lifesourcerec]

Hopefully you can hook up the Top 10 feedback page. :)

[Gavin B.]

Nice, thanks a lot for that. :)

[eoc_Jason]

Okay, I just uploaded a upgrade_traderratings_vb2.php which is a direct upgrade from the vB2 hack to the current version. Consider it experimental and untested, but it *should* work without problems. ;)

I've been doing bits and pieces with new features, I'm going to try and sit down this weekend and do some hardcore coding, however it is fathers day this weekend so I might end up being busy with family.

With a little luck, another release should come early-to-mid next week. :banana:

[RetroDreams]

This would be absolutely pimp if it could be integrated in one of the PHP Auction GPL apps out there. Would take sites to a whole new level.

[Chriss74]

In ebay, you can rate the seller and the buyer. But what's about the trade? I don't understand, why the trade can be rated, too. Who should rate for the trade? The buyer, the seller or both?

Please explain, for what a rating of the trade is good for.

Thanks,
Chriss

[Yahhoon23]

Both.

It's just like an ebay auction.

On ebay, when you buy something, you pay with money.

In a trade, you are basically paying for an item with another item. Meaning in a sense, you are paying for the trade with an item of value or item worth money.

Get what I'm saying?

So it's the exact same as a ebay deal. Both people get rated on how the transaction went.

[eoc_Jason]

implementing a "trade" feature for a classified is not difficult, obviously you couldn't do a "trade" auction. ;)

Please try to keep posts relevant to this hack though, as I said the classifieds/auction will be a separate hack, once I get more gathered together I'll post a new thread for discussion while I work on it.

[sketch42]

implementing a "trade" feature for a classified is not difficult, obviously you couldn't do a "trade" auction. ;)

Please try to keep posts relevant to this hack though, as I said the classifieds/auction will be a separate hack, once I get more gathered together I'll post a new thread for discussion while I work on it.
jason.. in the next release which you said hopefully by mid next week.. is the joinable transaction button there?

[Chriss74]

Both.

It's just like an ebay auction.

On ebay, when you buy something, you pay with money.

In a trade, you are basically paying for an item with another item. Meaning in a sense, you are paying for the trade with an item of value or item worth money.

Get what I'm saying?

So it's the exact same as a ebay deal. Both people get rated on how the transaction went.
Sorry, but I still didn't get it. Maybe my english isn't good enough...

For my opinion, always the seller and the buyer should rate and should be rated - like in ebay. I still don't understand the sense of rating the deal itself - regardless if it was a sale or a trade.

And if there is a possibility to rate a trade, there should also be the possibility to rate a sale. Otherwise it would be unlogical.

Maybe, you or someone else try to explain it again, why it is sensible to rate a trade.

Thanks,
Chriss

[Yahhoon23]

Rating the deal itself is the same as rating the buyer or seller. I mean you rating the buyer or seller based on how the sale went right? Yes.

So, if someone traded you a computer for a television, wouldn't you rate on how the transaction went.

On ebay and any other feedback system, you don't rate the deal. You rate the seller for example on how good he was with customer service, or how fast he shipped etc. So if you buy an item using ebay, and he emailed you that day, and then you recieved the item in a week, you would rate him positive right?

Now if the seller never contacted you and sent the item a month late, you'd probably rate him neutral or negative because he was terrible as a seller.

Now, if you are the seller, and a buyer buys something, then he pays right away, you'd give him good feedback right? Yes.

If you are the seller and the buyer waits 2 weeks to pay, or doesn't pay at all, what do you rate him? Negative obviously.

Now, in a trade. Say you both agree to a trade. You are sending him your tv, he is sending you a computer. Well what happens if you send the tv and you never get the computer? Are you not going to leave him feedback on how the trade went? No. You are going to want others to know that you had a trade arranged and you never got the product that you wanted.

Another example is if you two are arranging a trade and he's trying to lowball you left and right, and finally you agree on something but it took forever and he acted crappy about it. You might not want to leave negative feedback because you both finally agreed on a trade, but you also didn't like he he did things so you will leave him neutral feedback.

Now as for positive feedback, say you find someone wanting to trade your tv for a computer. You both recieve your items promptly, so you would rate the feedback as positive because it was exactly as described and there were no problems.


Here's a feedback overview from eBay - http://pages.ebay.com/help/feedback/feedback-overview.html

"eBay members who have completed a transaction with you can leave feedback about their experience."



You made the point "For my opinion, always the seller and the buyer should rate and should be rated - like in ebay. I still don't understand the sense of rating the deal itself - regardless if it was a sale or a trade."

That is exactly what takes place in this hack. You rate a buyer or seller of an item that you recieved or sent. I don't understand exactly what you aren't understanding.

You believe that both the seller and buyer should be rated and that's what's happening in a item being sold, or items being traded. Either way it involves 2 parties.

So my main question is why is it NOT sensible to rate a trade?

Maybe if you answered that I could help you answer your questions.

[eoc_Jason]

Hey guys just a little update. I'm not dead or anything, just having a lot of personal stuff to take care of.

I know I'm long overdue for the update, but it will come just as soon as humanly possible.

[joeychgo]

There are alot of pages here - and I have a question that might have been answered and I missed it.

Can this be limited to certain usergroups?

I ahve a car club forum -- and am looking for a rating system for VENDORS, who only make up 5% of my membership. I would only want this rating system to apply to them...So that only VENDORS could be rated, but the ratings be viewable by all members.

SO, can I restrict this to a particular usergroup?

[ChrisBaktis]

Sorry, but I still didn't get it. Maybe my english isn't good enough...

For my opinion, always the seller and the buyer should rate and should be rated - like in ebay. I still don't understand the sense of rating the deal itself - regardless if it was a sale or a trade.

And if there is a possibility to rate a trade, there should also be the possibility to rate a sale. Otherwise it would be unlogical.

Maybe, you or someone else try to explain it again, why it is sensible to rate a trade.

Thanks,
Chriss

An example would be my site www.rustysoaptraders.com. It is for sports card trading. This hack allows the members to rate each other on trades. Did they ship cards promptly, were they packaged good etc. Some members also buy and sell cards. This allows them to rate each other also. This is a perfect hack for my type of site and many others.

Chris

[ludachris]

Hey Jason, a couple things I wanted to point out/ask:

1. I'm getting a discrepancy after upgrading from the VB2 version between the overall Trader rating and the actual number of ratings for some members - meaning, I'll look at one member who has 8 positive ratings and only has a 6 rating overall (and has no negative or neutral ratings). Is there a script I need to run to recalculate the totals?

2. I'd also like to do something to highlight if the member has a positive or negative number, like color coding, or showing a relevant graphic, but it seems VB3 doesn't like the "greater than" and "less than" symbols in the template code like you suggested a couple pages back:
<if condition="$... >= 0">one color<else />another color</if>

Does anyone know how to get the templates to accept the great than/less than conditions? I get errors saying that there is an unexpected ">" in the code.

[eoc_Jason]

joeychgo - Please read the templates.txt file in the zip. It explains how to use conditionals in your templates for both forumid's and usergroups. Remember, you will have to adjust the templates based on if you want the TR score to show in the postbit, or if you want the link that allows people to rate each other on the TR page itself.

ludachris - The TR score is based upon unique userid's, this is done for two reasons. 1 - I think it better reflects their deals with multiple people. 2 - It prevents just one person rating another a whole bunch of times to mess up their score. Yes, you can use < and > since it is the quotes that start and end of the condition. Please post your code example that you were trying, there might be a typo somewhere else.

[sketch42]

joeychgo - Please read the templates.txt file in the zip. It explains how to use conditionals in your templates for both forumid's and usergroups. Remember, you will have to adjust the templates based on if you want the TR score to show in the postbit, or if you want the link that allows people to rate each other on the TR page itself.

ludachris - The TR score is based upon unique userid's, this is done for two reasons. 1 - I think it better reflects their deals with multiple people. 2 - It prevents just one person rating another a whole bunch of times to mess up their score. Yes, you can use < and > since it is the quotes that start and end of the condition. Please post your code example that you were trying, there might be a typo somewhere else.
i just installed a new template... how would i go about adding the hack now.. do i run the upgrade script or the install script??

[co7t]

First off, this is an excellent hack! I just installed it and it's working great! The only problem I'm having is when you're on the "leave feedback" form. The width goes way out of the forum page. The one box with "you are responsible..." is the one specifically out of the screen. Where do I go to modify this? I'll probably just move all the text in that box right above the submit button. Suggestions?

TIA,
Co7t

[eoc_Jason]

sketch42 - You are going to have to be a *little* more specific...

co7t - TR was designed around a 1000 pixel width forum (or wider)... However if you are running the default forum width you will have to make some changes probably. However the template in question that you will have to modify the layout is tratings_feedback... (There are only 3 templates)

[sketch42]

sketch42 - You are going to have to be a *little* more specific...

co7t - TR was designed around a 1000 pixel width forum (or wider)... However if you are running the default forum width you will have to make some changes probably. However the template in question that you will have to modify the layout is tratings_feedback... (There are only 3 templates)
im sorry.... i have trader rating installed on my board already... i just added a style and wanted to know the procedure to get trader ratings working with that style

[eoc_Jason]

vB styles work from inheritence, your default TR templates should be the highest level, and allow the alternate styles to "inherit" them. If they aren't you will need to move them to the proper style, then you can customize alternate styles without affecting the templates globally.

[sketch42]

vB styles work from inheritence, your default TR templates should be the highest level, and allow the alternate styles to "inherit" them. If they aren't you will need to move them to the proper style, then you can customize alternate styles without affecting the templates globally.
wow i totally didnt understand that lol

[Tilmanitou]

Hi all!
I translated Trader Ratings (v1.10 and v1.2.0, into german) for my forum and wanted to share this little procedure with you all so you can do it now much quicker than I did. :glasses: ;)

It's pretty easy:

0.
First of all, you have to install Trader Ratings. It's now in english of course.
To translate it:

1.
In the vB Admin Control Panel, search all Phrases which names begin with "tratings" and translate them in the second field. In doing so, the original text keeps beeing saved as well as your translation.

2.
In the template "tratings_feedback", search for the following text:

<td class="alt2">Your overall experience was:</td>
<td class="alt2">
<select name="userrating">
and translate "Your overall experience was:".

3.
In the template "tratings_feedback", search for the following text:

<td class="alt2">$vbphrase[tratings_thread_url]</td>
<td class="alt2">
<input class="bginput" type="text" name="userurl" size="45" maxlength="200"

value="$trating[userurl]"><br />
<span class="smallfont">ex:
http://forum.site.com/showthread.php?threadid=1234</span>
</td>
and translate "ex: http://forum.site.com/showthread.php?threadid=1234".

4.
In the template "tratings_feedback", search for the following text:

<input type="checkbox" name="ratingdelete" value="1">Delete This Rating</if>
</span><br /><br /><input type="submit"
and translate "Delete This Rating".

5.
In the file "traderratings.php", translate:
-"View Trader Ratings"
-"Edit Trader Ratings Feedback"
-"Submit Trader Ratings Feedback"

6.
In the templates "postbit", "postbit_legacy", and "MEMBERINFO",
add somewhere:

<if condition="$post['userid']"><div>Trader Rating: (<a href="traderratings.php?$session[sessionurl]u=$post[userid]">$post[ratetradetotal]</a>)</div></if>
and translate "Trader Rating:".

for example:

- in the template "MEMBERINFO", above

<if condition="$vboptions['usereferrer']">
add:

<if condition="$post['userid']">
<div class="fieldset">
<div style="padding:$stylevar[formspacer]px"><strong>Trader Rating:</strong> (<a href="traderratings.php?$session[sessionurl]u=$post[userid]">$post[ratetradetotal]</a>)
</div></div></if>
and translate "Trader Rating:".

- in the template "postbit_legacy" (you have to choose this template as default first. this is the vB2-Style member info frame at the left of every post, not above it),
above

<if condition="$post['joindate']"><div>$vbphrase[join_date]:"

add:

if condition="$post['userid']"><div>Trader Rating: (<a
href="traderratings.php?$session[sessionurl]u=$post[userid]">$post[ratetradetotal]</a>)</di
v></if>

and translate "Trader Rating:".


Thats all! Hope I didn't forgot or messed up something (please let me know in case) and that this will help spreading this great hack all over the world! Thanks again eoc_Jason!

Yours
Tilmanitou

[eoc_Jason]

Hmm... looks like there were a few more places I could of used phrases... I'll have to fix that in the next update... I tried to phrases wherever possible for easier translation...

[lifesourcerec]

How hard with it be to make a Top 10 traders/feedback page? Or just a table to add to the forum home?

[WreckRman2]

How hard with it be to make a Top 10 traders/feedback page? Or just a table to add to the forum home?

I like that...

[WreckRman2]

Everyone Else - So do you think it would be more worthwhile to just start working on a classifieds / auction hack (with the trader ratings system of course) rather than just try to bodge together this "buy/sell" button concept thing?

Please let me know what you guys think...


Not only do I think you should but I'd be willing to pay for it if done well. I'd love to see an integration of a For Sale, Trade and Wanted Ads with vB.

[jesslynn]

I hope someone can help me. I'm getting a perplexing error (well, to me anyway! LOL) when I try to view anyone's rating, no matter the style I try it in:

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: convert_ids_to_titles() in /****/****/****/****/includes/functions_online.php on line 33

I'm sure it's my overtired brain, but I can't figure out what to do about it. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated! Oh yeah, would help if I gave you the link to our forums: http://www.boutiquebids.com/forums

TIA!

[Watson]

Had another read through this thread, dunno if its just late, or I am well thick (mabye both)

But I am wondering, which file I edit so I make it the users have to enter a url for them to leave feedback. Also can I make it so that it only comes from a specific forum?

Also, Is there anyway to click under the username or something to actually leave feedback, the only way I been doing it is by clicking on the users trader rating number. Hoping to put like an icon or summit somewhere.

Cheers much

A very knackered

Watson

[Watson]

Watson - look at the extra template examples with the is_member_of function to allow only specific user groups. You will need to change this on your trating_display template, and also add it to the proper actions in the traderratings.php file.




Ahh mate, I aint really sure what I would be looking for in those files, and I dont wanna change anything that may damage forums heh.

Any chance on an ickle bit more info :D:D:D

[jesslynn]

Can't anyone help a gal out? ;) hehe jk

In thinking about this (whilst banging my head upon my desk all weekend), I'm wondering if my problem is because I have other hacks installed, or if I made a silly mistake somewhere and I'm just not seeing it.

To be a little more specific about when we get the error on our boards, members can't view profiles without getting the script error:
Fatal error: Call to undefined function: convert_ids_to_titles() in /****/****/****/****/includes/functions_online.php on line 33

Also, when attempting to view Currently Active Users, we get:
Fatal error: Call to undefined function: sanitize_perpage() in /****/****/****/****/forums/online.php on line 77

Any ideas on what I need to do so this awesome hack will work for us? It's EXACTLY what we've been looking for. :) Do I need to go in and tweak something or rerun the install?

[WreckRman2]

Suggestion for next update:

One thing that I would like to see added is a notification email to the user recieving the feedback. Not only does this let them know someone else submitted a feedback for them but it will also encourage that person to complete a feedback as well so that both parties gets a feedback. To many times only one party takes the time to submit a feedback. Many simply forget so the email could also act as a reminder.

Another thing would be a listing page that would show all the users with lets say above 25 points, 15 points, etc.

[jesslynn]

OK, well, just for argument's sake I ran the upgrade script even though I had run the newest clean install script from scratch, and low and behold, both profiles and the ratings pages now work. Well, except I still can't view either my own profile or my own rating (but I know that's OK not to it's just being unable to see my entire profile that has me scratching my head). But, my being able to view others' profiles and ratings now is an improvement from where I was last week, so I'm still happy. LOL.

The only thing still not working at all is Currently Active Users Online. Any ideas for that one?

[Watson]

Still getting my problems above if anyone can help me out

[hasan2k]

I am thinking about installing this script but unsure if i should do this because I am on VB 3.0.3. Does Trader Ratings v1.1.0 work with VB 3.0.3?

I would appreciate the answer.

Thanks

[eoc_Jason]

Yes it works with 3.0.3

[GatorLCA]

It seems that after I installed this whenever I try to make a New Thread it does not show up in the post count but If I reply to that thread or any thread it will count toward the post count. I think it might have something to do with the Post bit template or something that i changed, I do have the trader rating below the post count so i think that might be the problem

[GatorLCA]

odd, it seems to be working now. nvmd

[funfone]

On the feedback page the text on the right ...warning etc is there any way to move this say underneath or all together as my board is a fixed width and this ruins it

[eoc_Jason]

Yeah, just adjust the tratings_feedback template to your liking... I've seen some smaller fixed width forums stick the text above or below the main feedback box.

[jesslynn]

I'm still having my problems, too.

I still can't view either my own profile or my own rating (but I know that's OK not to see the rating as others can't see their own either I think?) it's just being unable to see my entire profile that has me scratching my head....

The thing still not working at all is Currently Active Users Online. Any ideas for that one?


Can anyone please help me out??? I'm running 3.0.3

[eoc_Jason]

If you have installed other hacks that modify either of those, then I'm sorry but I can't help you out there. My hack is very simplistic and uses default vB variables for generatig most of the data.

[jesslynn]

{sigh} :( I was afraid you were gonna say that. Oh well, I guess I'll have to uninstall/revert back. Thanks anyway!

[Watson]

Is there anyway to click under the username or something to actually leave feedback, the only way I been doing it is by clicking on the users trader rating number. Hoping to put like an icon or summit somewhere.

And how what file do I edit to add it so they need to enter a URL when doing a trade/sale. And can I speify that it has to come from a specific Forum

Watson

[tiedyetoga]

very nice.

[eoc_Jason]

You will have to be more specific when you say "click under their username to leave feedback". What page are you talking about? A screenshot would help. The reason I have the "leave feedback" info on the TR page is so that people see the rest of the info on the page too.

As for making URLs required, there is only one php file to edit (traderratings.php), just change (in two places):


if ($userbuysell == 255 || $userrating == 255 || $usercomments == '') {
eval (print_standard_error('error_requiredfields'));
}


to


if ($userbuysell == 255 || $userrating == 255 || $usercomments == '' || $userurl == '') {
eval (print_standard_error('error_requiredfields'));
}


Also you might want to edit the template to show that it is a requried field. However keep in mind that right now I don't do any URL checking, so they could enter totally bogus info and it wouldn't know any better.


Is there anyway to click under the username or something to actually leave feedback, the only way I been doing it is by clicking on the users trader rating number. Hoping to put like an icon or summit somewhere.

And how what file do I edit to add it so they need to enter a URL when doing a trade/sale. And can I speify that it has to come from a specific Forum

Watson

[Watson]

Thanks for that mate :D

The bit I am meaning is the bit highlighted here mate. Its the only way a user can leave feedback for my other users is by clicking on that. Is there any way to add an add feedback bit somewhere.

Also, how do I make it for a certain user group only.

Watson

[eoc_Jason]

Sure you can make a "leave feedback" link anywhere... Just look at the URL structure in the TR template and put it wherever you please...

For a specific usergroup, look in the included TXT file, there is a function called is_member_of() or something similar.

[Freezerator]

Is there some kind of stats page, where you can view people with top ratings and things like thats?

[eoc_Jason]

No, that will be in the next update though. However right now I'm in the process of trying to find a job, so I have put all my projects like this on hold.

BTW, this has been asked and answered several times before, please use the "search this thread" option at the top, most people are starting to get really repetitive in their questions.

[Freezerator]

my bad. Good luck on finding a job though :)

[NietzscheKid]

Thank you so much Jason!
Hello

this is a wonderful hack. :)

I would like to ask a question and I hope this is not stupid to ask ... but is there a way that I can delete the buyer/seller columns? I just ask because we don't buy or sell, just trade and this system would be perfect for us. If you or anyone can tell me how I can modify the hack to achieve a trades only function, I'd be overly happy. :)

Thank you in advance for any help :)

[eoc_Jason]

Well there are several things you can remove if you want to make it the most efficient, however to keep it simple (and make upgrades easier), I would just modify the template where you submit a new rating, remove the buy/sell/trade dropdown and make trade a hidden form field. You can also modify the display template to remove the extra buy/sell stuff.

[Tilmanitou]

Jason, in your templates.txt you wrote:

-----------------------
NOTE: If you only want specific user groups to use the ratings, you will also
need to modify the traderratings.php code to prevent users from getting
to the feedback page through manual URLs (unlikely, but possible). This feature will be fully implemented in the next version (if you don't want to modify the php file).
-----------------------

would you please be so kind and explain me how to do that exactly, if possible in "find: x and replace with: y style" and tell me how to do that for one usergroup as well as for several usergroups.

I didn't manage to restrict access to traderratings in the postbit and memberinfo templates to one or several usergroups only. so we helped us out in limiting access to user profiles for these groups and adding the link to traderratings only in the memberinfo template.

Seems like I'm not the only one who didn't understand how to do that...thanks for explaining us!

[Watson]

Yeah I am hoping just for a forum to be used for my ratings, and not a usergroup. so they have to do it that way.

Also Jason mate, I aint exactly sure, but how would I put in a leave Feedback image or something in the Postbit?

[hasan2k]

Well there are several things you can remove if you want to make it the most efficient, however to keep it simple (and make upgrades easier), I would just modify the template where you submit a new rating, remove the buy/sell/trade dropdown and make trade a hidden form field. You can also modify the display template to remove the extra buy/sell stuff.

This is a little off topic but I think we should all discuss this.

As you all know, this script is a honor based system, so there is no way to know if the rating is valid unless we can somehow track the transaction. So I would like to throw in the topic of Verification. Lets give your best shot.

My idea would be:

1. To some how have a Credit card verification included in the script. Something like what has been used in the adult sites to verify age. This verificaiton will be used for people who want to participate in the rating system. This way you have a way of telling if the rater is not a fictitous person because some people may abuse the system to make themselves look better than the others by getting multiple id's. If you have a verification built in, one person can rate only rate others not himself.

2. What do you think about verifying a transaction by asking a few questions to verify transaction did take place. Like the amount of transaction. Now, if asking the buyer the transaction amount found and asking the seller transaction amount found do not match, it will be seen as a fictitious transaction and will not be allowed to record the "RATING".

I think verification is the only way to do this. As a matter of fact, AMAZON.com just announced that they are going to implement the credit card verification to make sure the reviewr of their products are the people they say they are.

Lets discuss.

[eoc_Jason]

hasan2k - I'm not going to do CC verification, there are even ways around that, but also it would remove a large portion of younger people who don't have a CC, and also a lot of people who wouldn't feel comfortable submitting that info to a smaller site. I trust Amazon and do have my CC on file there for purchases, but I wouldn't trust Joe Bob's Fishing Forum to hold my CC info because I don't know how secure their software is, nor do I trust what they might do with it.

I was considering doing some sort of PayPal verification thing, however all my attempts in talking to PayPal about any sort of API to query if a person is PayPal verified have been returned with extremely unhelpful canned responses.

User / Transaction verification has been discussed before several times in this thread (try sifting through the pages or searching, I don't remember what post #'s they were). There was even discussion about linking users to a thread (by creating a buy/sell button) and then only letting them rate each other. But a lot of "what if" issues were brought up that would make the hack so complicated that it was determined that it would just make more sense to write a hack from the ground up that did what people wanted... an auction/classifieds add-on.

So that's what I'm doing. Well, actually two things. I'm working on a cross-forum capable version of Trader Ratings, and also the auction/classified system (that of course ties into trader ratings). This will bring about a "verifiable deal" in the sense that you have an actual page to view who the buyer & seller and item and price and whatnot were, but also allow "unverifiable" transactions based on good faith (like the current TR operates now). But all this will take some time as I've only got two hands and very little spare time at the moment.

This hack was intended to be simple and solve a common dilemma. I'm not big into hacking up 20 vBulletin files, only to have to re-do it all every time there is a new release. I prefer to keep things separate and minimal.

This hack solved the common issue I've seen a lot of forums do where they just had a thread that a person had to maintain where they listed who dealt with who... It was archiac and not really that informative. My hack (in its current state) is by no means perfect, but it is a step in the right direction by having an automated system that is user friendly.

[the wiz]

Problem: the trader ratings thing goes outside of my template edge. (Here is a link: http://www.dsites.net/vb/traderratings.php?u=1 ). Is there any way to make it go inside the template edges?

[hasan2k]

hasan2k - I'm not going to do CC verification, there are even ways around that, but also it would remove a large portion of younger people who don't have a CC, and also a lot of people who wouldn't feel comfortable submitting that info to a smaller site. I trust Amazon and do have my CC on file there for purchases, but I wouldn't trust Joe Bob's Fishing Forum to hold my CC info because I don't know how secure their software is, nor do I trust what they might do with it.


Thanks for your answer. Either way this is a great hack. BUT, if you do get the time to put the verification in place somehow, there will be a commercial prospect to this script. I know I will be first in line to pay.

[eoc_Jason]

Problem just some table withs conflicting with your custom design... There's only 3 TR templates... ;) Feel free to fidgit with the HTML...

Problem: the trader ratings thing goes outside of my template edge. (Here is a link: http://www.dsites.net/vb/traderratings.php?u=1 ). Is there any way to make it go inside the template edges?

[the wiz]

Problem just some table withs conflicting with your custom design... There's only 3 TR templates... ;) Feel free to fidgit with the HTML...

I didn't see any HTML tables in the traderratings.php file.

[eoc_Jason]

Templates are not in the PHP file... They are in the AdminCP under whatever style you installed them as...

tratings_display
tratings_feedback
tratings_listbits

[the wiz]

Templates are not in the PHP file... They are in the AdminCP under whatever style you installed them as...

tratings_display
tratings_feedback
tratings_listbits

I just changed the 100% to 80% on all three, and the only thing that happened was that it shrunk the table directly under the navbar, not the entire thing.

[NietzscheKid]

Hello Jason. I finally installed this great hack. First, thank you for providing this to the community.

I have modified it for my needs as we don't allow buying or selling. We only allow free trading. So, I have modified it but now have a small problem left.

I would like to remove the "From" table row from the feedback tables. It should only display the date but now the date is in the FROM table for some reason. Below I attached a screenshot. It would be great if you could point me to where I can do this. I know this is an extra wish since I deleted a few options. but I hope you don't mind. Thanks a ton! :)

[eoc_Jason]

Look in the tratings_display template... There is actually a pretty extensive if/else structure because of how it was handling all the various feedback views so you can probably tidey it up some since you removed the buying/selling.

However, if you remove the "from" field, how will a person know who rated them? IMO you might want to double think about removing it.

[NietzscheKid]

Look in the tratings_display template... There is actually a pretty extensive if/else structure because of how it was handling all the various feedback views so you can probably tidey it up some since you removed the buying/selling.

However, if you remove the "from" field, how will a person know who rated them? IMO you might want to double think about removing it.


I would tidy it up if I knew anything about php which I don't. lol

I'd love to keep the "From" field, but I must have messed up the code that is needed to display the "from". I have no clue where to change this. :(

[jamesk]

THis is great,but shouldn't it be with some store or auction hack?
What are you guys using with it.

[the wiz]

My forums B/S/T section.

[Spinball]

I had version 1.0.0 of this installed with vB 3.0.1.
I upgraded to vB 3.0.3, uploaded the new traderratings.php and ran the upgrade script. Clicke a couple of 'proceed type' buttons and got
Database error in vBulletin 3.0.3:

Invalid SQL: ALTER TABLE user_rate_trade DROP INDEX rateduser_2
mysql error: Can't DROP 'rateduser_2'. Check that column/key exists

mysql error number: 1091

Date: Sunday 08th of August 2004 12:34:27 PM
Script: http://www.avforums.com/forums/admincp/upgrade_traderratings.php
Referer: http://www.avforums.com/forums/admincp/upgrade_traderratings.php
Username: Spectre
IP Address: 82.47.88.131

I've tried re-running the script but it crashes out with another error.
Is my system fooked?

[Ted S]

I made a few little template additions to my site to help better promote the trade rating system, you can see them in action at www.scubaboard.com/forumdisplay.php?f=213 (view any thread). To add this to your site you need to make just two small changes.

1) modify your phpinclude_start template by adding the following code (each number is the ID of a classified forum)

$classified_forumids = array(1,2,3,...);

2) modify your postbit or postbit_legacy template by finding


<!-- message -->
<div>$post[message]</div>
<!-- / message -->
before this add
<if condition="in_array($forum[forumid], $GLOBALS[classified_forumids])">

<if condition="$post[ratetradetotal] != 0">

<if condition="$post[ratetradetotal] < 0">
<div style="text-align:center;font-size:12px;color:red;font-weight:bold;">Negative: This user has <a href="/traderratings.php?$session[sessionurl]u=$post[userid]" style="color:red;">trader rating</a> of $post[ratetradetotal]!</div>
<else />
<div style="text-align:center;font-size:12px;color:blue;font-weight:bold;">Positive: This user has <a href="/traderratings.php?$session[sessionurl]u=$post[userid]" style="color:blue;">trader rating</a> of $post[ratetradetotal]!</div>
</if>

<else />
<div style="text-align:center;font-size:12px;color:green;font-weight:bold;">Neutral: This user has no <a href="/traderratings.php?$session[sessionurl]u=$post[userid]" style="color:green;">trader rating</a> history!</div>
</if>

<div style="text-align:center;font-size:12px;"><a href="/traderratings.php?u=$post[userid]&do=feedbacknew">Leave feedback for $post[username]</a></div><br />

</if>


This will show the user's trade rating status in the default colors with a link to leave them feedback. If you make any improvements please post them back here. Also, I did not use language phrases to keep this simple, if you want to add them yourself it's not hard but I can help if you need.

This is an amazing addon and I can't wait to see what comes of it... thank you!

[Keyser S?ze]

good hack!

one thing tho, how could i make it so if someone has a rating of 0 with no ratings for negative or positive then in the post bit the trader ratings isnt there?

i have a ton of members and not that many really trade

[cnczone]

I'm using phpclassifieds insteand of the forums any hack that I can use in that situation? http://cnczone.com/classifieds/index.php

[Keyser S?ze]

think it would be possible to have a option in user options to "receive PM notification when u receive feedback"

[eoc_Jason]

I just use it with my regular FS/WTB forum sections. However I am working on a classifieds / auction hack for vBulletin (which will be free, and very easy to implement).

THis is great,but shouldn't it be with some store or auction hack?
What are you guys using with it.

[eoc_Jason]

Edit the upgrade script to comment out the line that wants to DROP the rateduser_2 index.

I'm sure all your data is there, I'm not sure what all has been changed / updated without taking a look at it all firsthand.


I had version 1.0.0 of this installed with vB 3.0.1.
I upgraded to vB 3.0.3, uploaded the new traderratings.php and ran the upgrade script. Clicke a couple of 'proceed type' buttons and got


I've tried re-running the script but it crashes out with another error.
Is my system fooked?

[eoc_Jason]

If they are at zero, how would you initially ever leave feedback (besides having to go to their profile page)...

There really isn't an easy way to check to see if they have left feedback but because of negative it is now at zero. You would have to modify a couple of the vB php files to join the other tables and test to see if any feedback has been left. Which is why I did the alternate by having a calculated field in the user table.

good hack!

one thing tho, how could i make it so if someone has a rating of 0 with no ratings for negative or positive then in the post bit the trader ratings isnt there?

i have a ton of members and not that many really trade

[eoc_Jason]

I don't use PhotoPost Classifieds, nor do I care to pay for such a hack. You will have to contact the author of that hack for more info.

However I am developing my own classifieds / auction hack which will extend the usage of Trader Ratings.

This version of trader ratings was meant to be simple... As a replacement to having no ratings system in place, or the "massive trading list thread"... There could be an endless amount of features that I could put into this hack, however it's probably not going to happen as I have bigger plans for the Trader Ratings concept. In the long run there will probably be (at least) two versions. The simple / easy to implement version (this one), and the more complicated cross forum / auction-classifieds version.

EDIT - sorry for the several posts in a row. I didn't realize it has been so long since I have checked this thread and I wanted to make sure I answered each question individually.

Jason

I'm using phpclassifieds insteand of the forums any hack that I can use in that situation? http://cnczone.com/classifieds/index.php

[Skaterscafe.com]

Great idea for a hack!

I installed it last night, but now I get several errors. The PM system does not work, when I try I get this:


There seems to have been a slight problem with the Skateboard forums - message board for skateboarders - main forum database.
Please try again by pressing the refresh button in your browser.

An E-Mail has been dispatched to our Technical Staff, who you can also contact if the problem persists.

We apologise for any inconvenience



Database error in vBulletin 3.0.0:

Invalid SQL:
SELECT pm.*, pmtext.*
, icon.title AS icontitle, icon.iconpath
FROM pm AS pm
LEFT JOIN pmtext AS pmtext ON(pmtext.pmtextid = pm.pmtextid)
LEFT JOIN icon AS icon ON(icon.iconid = pmtext.iconid)
WHERE pm.userid=2 AND pm.folderid=0
ORDER BY pmtext.dateline DESC
LIMIT 0, 50

mysql error: Got error 28 from table handler

mysql error number: 1030

Date: Monday 09th of August 2004 12:57:48 PM
Script: http://www.skaterscafe.com/private.php?
Referer: http://www.skaterscafe.com/
Username: *********
IP Address: **********


It also appears PhotoPost quit working. PhotPost gave errors, I uploaded the upgarde hack and the error went away but now it will not upload photos.

Any ideas before I upload my backup?

[Keyser S?ze]

If they are at zero, how would you initially ever leave feedback (besides having to go to their profile page)...

There really isn't an easy way to check to see if they have left feedback but because of negative it is now at zero. You would have to modify a couple of the vB php files to join the other tables and test to see if any feedback has been left. Which is why I did the alternate by having a calculated field in the user table.


yea i noticed that after using this a few times, dont mind me while i hang my head in shame ;p


what about the "receive PM notification on new feedback"

also can i set so certain mods can edit feedback? maybe by user id

[eoc_Jason]

Most users pay very close attention to their rating once they have a couple, however I might implement an option PM notification with a reminder they need to rate that person if they haven't already.

As for allowing only certain mods to edit feedback, you will have to edit one of the tratings templates to change who sees the "edit" links, and also the traderratings.php file for who has permissions.

what about the "receive PM notification on new feedback"

also can i set so certain mods can edit feedback? maybe by user id

[oldfan]

GREAT Add-on !!
I love to see a top 10/master feedback page.
I'm willing to throw some cash your way for it and I'm sure many others would too :)