Anyone sticking with VB2 ?

[lolwtfomgoic]

Anybody going to stay with VB2?

I might, but VB3 is so powerful... I just hate its template/style system to death.

[Link14716]

I will never install a vB2 board again. I can't live without vB3, especially it's style inheritance system... it is a huge improvement.

[MaDCaT75]

maybe if I had a forum..... but it got deleted :mad:

[Link14716]

My license has been idle for quite a while as well. Maybe I should open up my localhost test board to the public and have some fun. :D

[Xenon]

nope, i won't go back to vb2.

vb3's code has so much improved, much better to work with

[sabret00the]

yup love vB3 can't wait to upgrade my live forums once i finish work on my localhost.

[g-force2k2]

vb3 is the way to go.

You say vb2 whats that?

Nah just kidding, i'll still work with vb2 hacking especially custom work, other then that it's all vb3.

Cheers,
g-force2k2

[MaDCaT75]

man... I dont wanna waste more money on hosting after I just spent $90 on it two months ago

[Erwin]

vB3's code is much more optimized, so there's no reason to stick with vB2 except for the hacks, and this should not be a problem as more hacks are released and updated.

[MGM]

I'm still on a vB2, when vB3 Gold releases and I test it all out on my localhost board, maybe then I'll convert ;)

MGM out

[Zachery]

I'm still on a vB2, when vB3 Gold releases and I test it all out on my localhost board, maybe then I'll convert ;)

MGM out
imo if your havent been playing with vB3 since its realease your going to have alot to lern its taken me from beta 3 to beta 7 to learns the ins and outs of the board plus access all the relly cool features and toy around with the code :)

[subduck]

Once you start using vb3 it becomes harder and harder to move back to vb2!

[cleck673]

I will stick with vb2.3 for my big sites, but I will convert my small sites eventually. I acually installed vb3 on a new forum that is designed to get the political and other debates out of my other forums and I must say, IT IS NICE.. http://www.thewaterfountain.com/forums

[MindTrix]

Im using vB3 now as i just started a new forum. Its alot different to vB2 in all aspects and some can seem daunting especially to people who dont know PHP or understand the new template scheme etc.

But i realised the only way to learn is to install one and get used to it so thats why im using it for my new forum, Only problem is having to now do all of the php edits again when i upgrade (IF i upgrade)

I'm still going to install a vB2 as a test board for support purposes :p

[Dean C]

*raises hand*

For about another 6 months at least :)

[Oblivion Knight]

I'll be sticking with vB2 until at the very least vB3 goes final..
Even then, I'd rather wait until the Arcade and Journal mods are ported to vB3.

I haven't really liked the new admin panel or the styles used for vB3 since it was released.. When I do upgrade, I'll be making it look much like a vB2 in layout.

[filburt1]

Anybody going to stay with VB2?

I might, but VB3 is so powerful... I just hate its template/style system to death.
I won't be upgrading until 3.0.2 at a bare minimum for security reasons. My board is running and looking good at the moment with no load problems, so there's no incentive for me.

[Zachery]

I will stick with vb2.3 for my big sites, but I will convert my small sites eventually. I acually installed vb3 on a new forum that is designed to get the political and other debates out of my other forums and I must say, IT IS NICE.. http://www.thewaterfountain.com/forums
actually itd be to your benefit to switch now, the large the site gets the harder it will be to upgrade and Jelsoft will eventually discontinue the vB2 serries along with support id imagine :)

[Erwin]

actually itd be to your benefit to switch now, the large the site gets the harder it will be to upgrade and Jelsoft will eventually discontinue the vB2 serries along with support id imagine :)
It's true. My board grew by 10,000 members since I upgraded from 2.3.2 to Beta 3 about 6 months or so ago. :) By the time vB3 turns Gold, who knows.

[Zachery]

It's true. My board grew by 10,000 members since I upgraded from 2.3.2 to Beta 3 about 6 months or so ago. :) By the time vB3 turns Gold, who knows.
and trying to Convert it now would be worse >.< i did a semi large board upgrade it took me an hour to reindex and update everything i couldnt imagin doing a LARGE board

[Okiewan]

Too many nightmare stories about upgrading large boards for me. 34,000 members and 700,000+ posts on my board.

[filburt1]

I walked a client through a small upgrade today. Rebuilding the search engine alone took hours. And that was the first of five. The last one is several hundred thousand members.

[Lady Ginasue]

For right now I plan on staying with vB 2. I guess you might say I'm a chicken. I'm afraid to change over without someone to be right beside me helping me along the way.

I'm not a great one for knowing what I'm doing. I've learned a lot yes on making my board look the way it does, but I have to follow step by step the hacks and changes.

Shoot, I'm still afraid to upgrade even to 2.3.3 and now 2.3.4 is out. I don't want to mess up what I have.

This is my board, and if you look when I set up the board, I still have upload in my url.

http://www.kindredskulls.com/Forum/upload/index.php

[Zachery]

For right now I plan on staying with vB 2. I guess you might say I'm a chicken. I'm afraid to change over without someone to be right beside me helping me along the way.

I'm not a great one for knowing what I'm doing. I've learned a lot yes on making my board look the way it does, but I have to follow step by step the hacks and changes.

Shoot, I'm still afraid to upgrade even to 2.3.3 and now 2.3.4 is out. I don't want to mess up what I have.

This is my board, and if you look when I set up the board, I still have upload in my url.

http://www.kindredskulls.com/Forum/upload/index.php
you SHOULD at least update calendar.php :) regradless of anything


but the longer you wait to upgrade the worse it will be

[MGM]

I think the best way to upgrade is to make a backup and use the backup on a local server and try it out that way first..... if everything runs smoothly and u dont find anything missing, then the upgrade should do fine on your live board

MGM out

[Brad]

Never again will I use vB 2, vB 3 is just that much more powerful.

[Xenon]

I think the best way to upgrade is to make a backup and use the backup on a local server and try it out that way first..... if everything runs smoothly and u dont find anything missing, then the upgrade should do fine on your live board

MGM out

* Xenon agrees

we did it that way on vb.org :)

[MGM]

yup, I'm doing the same with my board once Gold comes out..... but until then I've been testing like hell using RC1 and 2

MGM out

[MindTrix]

I dont see why everyones so scared of upgrading :p Then again, i dont even want to upgrade RC2 too RC3 when that comes out but thats because im to lazy to do all my hacks php edits again

[noppid]

Let me see if I have this correct...The longer I wait, the harder it may be to upgrade?

So a process that is purposly for the sake of improving the product, will make it worse later?

You guys need to listen to yourselves sometime. The whole point is to improve where problems are found. I expect those problems to be gone by the time this product goes gold. Not hindering me during the upgrade process.

[Zachery]

Let me see if I have this correct...The longer I wait, the harder it may be to upgrade?

So a process that is purposly for the sake of improving the product, will make it worse later?

You guys need to listen to yourselves sometime. The whole point is to improve where problems are found. I expect those problems to be gone by the time this product goes gold. Not hindering me during the upgrade process.
reindexing and rebuilding some info will be unavoidable and the larger the community grows the longer it will take to reindex and rebuild :)

[MindTrix]

A product is always improved, they are still releasing vB2's now :)

So it does not matter when you install a board, or upgrade, if you want it completely up2date or as secure as they get at the moment, you will have 2 upgrade.

You do not have to upgrade to vB3 now if you do not want too. But remember vB2 wont be around forever once they focus on vB3.

[ShiningArcanine]

Anybody going to stay with VB2?

I might, but VB3 is so powerful... I just hate its template/style system to death.
I hate the thread read/unread marking system to death. It needs to be backended. Besides that and a few minor features that make staff's life easier, I don't see what is not to like about vB3? ^_^

[Freddie Bingham]

I won't be upgrading until 3.0.2 at a bare minimum for security reasons. My board is running and looking good at the moment with no load problems, so there's no incentive for me.
In my opinion, I would hedge my bets that vB3 is more secure than vB2.

[Okiewan]

Well, this thread got me interested, so I made a backup of the current vb2, went thru all the upgrades (I was still running 2.2.1 (don't shoot me), pretty painless actually and my board is hacked to death. All told, including indexing, updating counters, etc, it took about 9 hours (34K members, 700K posts). There are some "gotta have" hacks I'm wating on before I can switch over.

[Zachery]

Well, this thread got me interested, so I made a backup of the current vb2, went thru all the upgrades (I was still running 2.2.1 (don't shoot me), pretty painless actually and my board is hacked to death. All told, including indexing, updating counters, etc, it took about 9 hours (34K members, 700K posts). There are some "gotta have" hacks I'm wating on before I can switch over.
like what?

[filburt1]

In my opinion, I would hedge my bets that vB3 is more secure than vB2.
Maybe so, but you can also agree that an initial release of any piece of software is the most unstable.

[Okiewan]

like what?
The in-line banner ads is the biggest issue... it's been KILLER on my site. See my post in vB3 Mod requests.

[NawkOut]

I'll Stick With vB2.. Because vB3 Is So Different I Wont Know My Way Around And I'll Go CRAZY!..

[Zachery]

I'll Stick With vB2.. Because vB3 Is So Different I Wont Know My Way Around And I'll Go CRAZY!..
thats a very stupid reason to stay with somthing

you didnt know what you were doing with vB2 when you started :)

[Link14716]

I'll Stick With vB2.. Because vB3 Is So Different I Wont Know My Way Around And I'll Go CRAZY!..
Setup a vB3 testboard and learn your way around it. ;)

vB2 sucks compared to vB3.

[MGM]

yea, but vB3 is sooo much more advanced and confusing. It took me days to figure out the new style and template system >.<

I have yet to figure out how to use everything in the admin cp like I did with vB2, and I figured everything out with that in a matter of weeks -_-

MGM out

[Marzas]

i have vb 2, i'm just waiting for the store hack to come out on vb3... beacuse i have alot of hacks my members cant live without.

[Zachery]

there is already "a" store hack for vB3 but it is not "the" store hack



yea, but vB3 is sooo much more advanced and confusing. It took me days to figure out the new style and template system >.<

I have yet to figure out how to use everything in the admin cp like I did with vB2, and I figured everything out with that in a matter of weeks -_-

MGM out
is that such a bad thing? first day i got the board i spent probally 5 hours just playing with options in beta 3 :)

[lolwtfomgoic]

I upgraded to VB RC 2, but my users really hate it alot. I like the admin features alot more like the ban option (i have to use it alot), but my users really really relaly hate it. Too a degree that there was a petition that everyone signed for them to switch back to VB 2. VB3's template system is way way too sophistacated, I missed the days of it taking a half hour to customize a VB2 board to a spiffy look, then the one month wait for VB3 to figure out its template system from hell. I hope the manual comes out soon

[Zachery]

I upgraded to VB RC 2, but my users really hate it alot. I like the admin features alot more like the ban option (i have to use it alot), but my users really really relaly hate it. Too a degree that there was a petition that everyone signed for them to switch back to VB 2. VB3's template system is way way too sophistacated, I missed the days of it taking a half hour to customize a VB2 board to a spiffy look, then the one month wait for VB3 to figure out its template system from hell. I hope the manual comes out soon
dude its the vB2 system wtih conditionals, nothing more :)

maybe a new appernce but not much else :)

what DONT your users like about it, ask them why. alot of people HATE Windows but there still using it? ok bad example but they dont know WHY they hate windows or why windows is always messing up 90% of the time its their own damn fault :)

but it only takes about 10 min to customize a board with vB3 with conditinoals it saves tons of hacking that would have needed to be done in vB2

i wont even work with vB2 boards if i can help it

[Okiewan]

How many members are complaining? You realize of course that no matter what, there are those that HATE CHANGE, rather it's better for them or not. I've spent the last month hammering on the beta's... vB3 is so much better than 2 there is no comparison, for the admin, or the user. They'll get over it.

[filburt1]

dude its the vB2 system wtih conditionals, nothing more :)
Eh...vB3 templates are vB2 templates with weak inheritance, phrasing, and conditionals. It's much more than just conditionals.

[MischiefThought]

I dont like how slow-loading, css orientated the admincp is. It almost seems as if its eating bandwith like crazy.

[Zachery]

Eh...vB3 templates are vB2 templates with weak inheritance, phrasing, and conditionals. It's much more than just conditionals.
lol yes, filburt i understand that but it really hasnt changed much since vB2 besides apperance and of course the templates are now as close to XHTML compatbility as possible

[EvilLS1]

I'll most likely be sticking with VB2 for several reasons.. 1) I've just now got comfortable with how VB2 works and writing code for it... 2) I've spent alot of time getting the look and feel of my forum exactly how I want it... and 3) If it ain't broke, why fix it?

I have VB3 running on my PC and it is nice.. But I'm happy with my VB2 so I'm sticking with it.

[Zachery]

I'll most likely be sticking with VB2 for several reasons.. 1) I've just now got comfortable with how VB2 works and writing code for it... 2) I've spent alot of time getting the look and feel of my forum exactly how I want it... and 3) If it ain't broke, why fix it?

I have VB3 running on my PC and it is nice.. But I'm happy with my VB2 so I'm sticking with it.
there are sum bugs in vB2 that cant ever be fixed

writing code for vB2 is meh, im much more confortable with vB3 i learnd on it and from what ive looked at in vb2 vB2 looks and is sorta sloppy. in comparsison.

Why stay with the old?
thats like we have a microwave from 1976 lets keep it instead of buying one that can cook popcorn in under 2 min vs 10 min

its not broke dont fix it :) its not a good slogan for everything ;D

[EvilLS1]

there are sum bugs in vB2 that cant ever be fixed

As of right now there's not any that really concern me. I've manually added all of the security fixes myself, and the other minor bugs don't really bother me. Besides, I'm sure there's plenty of undiscovered VB3 bugs aswell. As long as you use ANY forum software bugs are something that you'll just have to deal with.


Why stay with the old?
thats like we have a microwave from 1976 lets keep it instead of buying one that can cook popcorn in under 2 min vs 10 min

'Cause I'm happy with it. The day that I become UNhappy with it is the day I'll upgrade. But like I said, right now VB2 is just fine for me. :)

[cirisme]

Upgraded the live forum today, things went remarkably smoothly(maybe cause I tested it a million times and documented all the changes :p) and my users are well pleased. And it's awesome...

[Ryan Ashbrook]

I dont like how slow-loading, css orientated the admincp is. It almost seems as if its eating bandwith like crazy.
I haven't noticed any slowness with the admin cp.

And I think my bandwidth is just fine as well.

But I will not be going back to vB2, purely because I love the vBulletin 3 template system, it's much more organized and I can customize all of my styles simultaneously.

Not to mention how organized the code is, I've noticed that installing hacks is actually easier than installing them on vB2. Don't ask why, it just feels easier, ya know?

[italks]

right now i am using vb2 but sure i will go for vb3 only problems is skinning will have to do it.Also i got licensed just today so new for me no probs but i have used vb2 in past so its good for me to currently use vb2.

[Zachery]

right now i am using vb2 but sure i will go for vb3 only problems is skinning will have to do it.Also i got licensed just today so new for me no probs but i have used vb2 in past so its good for me to currently use vb2.
anyone who is just starting really shouldnt start with vB2

[MGM]

That's what I was going to say. If you just bought a license, you might as well start with vB3 RC3, it'd be the best route to take. Going back and using vB2 really wouldn't work out well for you in the future, even if you have had some experience using it in the past

MGM out

[Dras]

That's what I was going to say. If you just bought a license, you might as well start with vB3 RC3, it'd be the best route to take. Going back and using vB2 really wouldn't work out well for you in the future, even if you have had some experience using it in the past

MGM out
I like VB2 for all the skins hacks. I recently loaded VB3 on a local system to mess around with it since my board members don't like downtime even for a better board =/. But VB2 has so many mempires, and even thought VB3 is better and faster it won't replace VB2 it will just make VB2 less on demand and then they will stop.

[Zachery]

I like VB2 for all the skins hacks. I recently loaded VB3 on a local system to mess around with it since my board members don't like downtime even for a better board =/. But VB2 has so many mempires, and even thought VB3 is better and faster it won't replace VB2 it will just make VB2 less on demand and then they will stop.
just becase there are more hacks for vB2 doesnt mean anything

there are alot less needs for hacks in some way for vB3

alot of things are done by default, plus at vBT weve been doing template mods since beta 3 :)

[DarkSavior]

I might check vB3 out someday, but for now I'm staying with vB2. Will probably switch over when the equivalent hacks are out for it. :)

[cnczone]

NO! I see no reason to stay with VB2.

[Zachery]

I might check vB3 out someday, but for now I'm staying with vB2. Will probably switch over when the equivalent hacks are out for it. :)
what hacks do you need? lol there gettin ported rather fast :)

[DarkSavior]

They might be available already, I'm not sure, I haven't really checked vB3 area. Mainly the RPG hack and stuff.

[Zachery]

They might be available already, I'm not sure, I haven't really checked vB3 area. Mainly the RPG hack and stuff.
i highly doubt to see a free full RPG system released for vB3 :)

[DarkSavior]

Well that's one reason for me to stay in vB2 then. ;)

[Zachery]

Not to knock on bitsys, he did an awsome job, but there are alot better options out there ;)

[Lady Ginasue]

I had planned on staying with VB2, wasn't going to give it up, and then I made a GOOF I had thought I was making a test board, and uploaded vb3 to it. Well it overwrote my database and yes I had saved my database, but when I got into really looking at the vb3 I found that it wasn't that hard to redo all my styles.

Today I finished my fourth style set and I had only did the upgrade yesterday afternoon.

http://www.kindredskulls.com/Forum/upload/index.php if you want to see what I've done so far on it.

[dethfire]

just waiting for final and then I'll upgrade

[linuxfactors]

i'll go for vb3, dont think i'll upgrade one of my vb2 board though, too many content on it, but my new board will defenitely be vb3

[sifuhall]

Want a great reason for sticking with VB2 until VB3 is out of beta?

From vbulletin.com:

If you install vBulletin 3 and have major problems, our support staff are likely to ask you to install vBulletin 2 instead and to only upgrade to vBulletin 3 when the final release is made.

[Link14716]

vB3 isn't in beta, and hasn't been since December 5th.

[Zachery]

Want a great reason for sticking with VB2 until VB3 is out of beta?

From vbulletin.com:

If you install vBulletin 3 and have major problems, our support staff are likely to ask you to install vBulletin 2 instead and to only upgrade to vBulletin 3 when the final release is made.
Still in RC (Semi Stable version ;))

If you have a major problem, both the community and the staff will do their best to support you though the forums but NOT the support ticket system :)

[Link14716]

Actually, the support ticket system started supporting vB3 at RC1 I believe.

[Lost Prophesy]

I am already on vB3 ... I miss many vB2 hacks such as Store, but I am sure they will be ported or remade someday. So it's all good. I love the new vB3 Arcade.

- LP

[Link14716]

Store is at vBulletin.nl.

[sifuhall]

Actually, the support ticket system started supporting vB3 at RC1 I believe.

My quote about support is directly from the vBulletin site, and is still stated as such.

Are you sure they are now supporting vB3 and if so I think they should update their site to reflect such.

[monstergamer]

i well never switch back to VB2
i love VB3 so much

[Zachery]

My quote about support is directly from the vBulletin site, and is still stated as such.

Are you sure they are now supporting vB3 and if so I think they should update their site to reflect such.
They have always been willing to do their best to support you on the forums, however i dont believe that they are using the support ticket system yet.

[WaterTrooper]

I plan to upgrade a few months after the final is out.

[NawkOut]

I Plan To Upgrade Now.. I've Heard Good Things About vB3.. So, I Might Upgrade.. Looks LIke Everyone Else Is.. vB3 Is GOnna Blow 2 Out Of The Water

[Wonko of Shinra]

Shinra moved away from vb2 a little over a week ago.
It was my decision to do so as I couldn't stand how horribly Palmer had hacked in all of these features, we were running vb2.0.3 hacked up to oblivion, and eventually most of those features stopped working and then getting anything more than the usual done was a dificult task.

So I figured instead of fix the bugs, why not work on upgrading shinra.
you guys got a few bugs in your upgrade scripts that I had to fix ;)

so um yeah, if you do plan on upgrading to vb3, make sure you copy your forum to a secure location, and try upgrading it on your own if you run a version as old as mine.
otherwise you're going to get boned during the vb3 upgrade scripts.

[DarkSavior]

Well I'm on RC4 at the moment in a private testing phase, still keeping 2.3.4 as public. Will get rid of that later. vB3 is really nice, I gotta admit.

[Gio~Logist]

I might, but VB3 is so powerful... I just hate its template/style system to death.



MY POINT EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

[Zachery]

MY POINT EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!
Why do you hate somthing that is more powerfull?

[Dean C]

It may be more powerful, but only due to the phrase and if condition system. Structurally the design is poorly implemented for anyone wishing to modify their board in a major way :)

[Zachery]

It may be more powerful, but only due to the phrase and if condition system. Structurally the design is poorly implemented for anyone wishing to modify their board in a major way :)
If you only knew dean :)

[Gio~Logist]

you see, someone is on my side!!!!

if there was a way to convert my skins and have a admin panel i like then id get vb3 in a sec

[TECK]

nope, i won't go back to vb2.

vb3's code has so much improved, much better to work with
I remember one time when all "old school VB2" coders used to think VB3 is really bloated. :D

[Zachery]

you see, someone is on my side!!!!

if there was a way to convert my skins and have a admin panel i like then id get vb3 in a sec
You can convert your skins, YOU just need to DO it. :) its hard work

[strongy]

i got vb3 took me ages of work to get my design working properly and i'm having to redo some hacks so they work again, i wish {firstaltcolor} etc still worked its taken me ages to figure out the css :S :P

[Zachery]

i got vb3 took me ages of work to get my design working properly and i'm having to redo some hacks so they work again, i wish {firstaltcolor} etc still worked its taken me ages to figure out the css :S :P
try class="alt1" :)

[strongy]

yeah i found that out eventually, i just takes ages to change the stuff around :p