Ok, so let me get this straight..

[dotagious]

The Tips and recommendations that appear when you submit a new release MUST be followed or the hack can't be released? If so, wouldn?t that make it a requirement and not a recommendation? I'm not arguing but I'm asking a question, because it sounds to me as if rules are made up at random.

The explanation for requiring an attachment doesn?t even make sense. Just because they request the hack via private message doesn?t mean they won?t get a copy. They can still save it to their hard drive and refer back to it during an upgrade. So? what?s the deal? I really need to know the rules before participating any further.

[Erwin]

Let me spell it out for you:

All hack instructions must be attached as a separate text file to the first post of each thread in Full Releases or Beta Hacks forums.

Take my word for it.

[dotagious]

Ok.. so at least now I know recommend = requirement around here. Thanks for clarifying that. May I suggest spelling that out in the written guidelines so you don’t have to. It’s very confusing when people are forced to follow policy that is subject to completely random interpretation.

[dotagious]

Oh BTW, the very first thread (https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49194) I came across in the full release forum doesn't have an attachment. I can find several hundred others if you need the links. We wouldn?t want a double standard to form around here.

[Erwin]

I'm not sure why you insist on pushing this issue - this has never been a problem before - it has always been a convention that hackers attach the hack to the thread.

We cannot allow people requesting PMs as this is not how it is meant to work - we do not want people posting threads requesting PMs for hacks, then ask for payment.

[dotagious]

I?m pushing the issue because it doesn?t make sense to me. It?s not even like I?m disputing an existing rule. It is clearly labeled a recommendation. If it?s anything other than that, the guidelines should explicitly state such. I don?t like being shot at from all angles because the guidelines are woefully inadequate. This is a clear case of practice over policy, and that?s not a very effective way of implementing your ideals.

I can?t say the rule, or the reasons for said rule, is improper. I have a problem with the way it?s presented and enforced. At least you conversed with me on the matter, and didn?t resort to deleting my threads and ignoring my concerns. For this you are to be commended.

:)

[Steve Machol]

Where is this guideline and I'll edit 'recommended' to 'required' so we can put this to rest.

[Erwin]

I've already raised this issue about the clarity of the rules with Chen and the rest of staff. :) Like I said, no one else has had this problem with understanding what we have all taken for granted, but if it is confusing to even a minority, then it is something we must address.

[Erwin]

Steve, just click on "New Thread" in the Full Releases forum, scroll down and you'll see it.

[Steve Machol]

Unfortunately that's from some sort of hack and I have no way to edit it. Either Chen or someone with access to the server will need to do this.

In the meantime it's recommended - er, required - that you take Erwin's word on this until the written rule can be updated for more clarity. ;)

[dotagious]

Understood and respectfully grateful. :)

[Sebastian]

Originally posted by dotagious
Oh BTW, the very first thread (https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49194) I came across in the full release forum doesn't have an attachment.

That thread has no attachment but it has CODE!

if it was like that people would want everyone to PM them so they can charge, which isn't allowed here. (if those were your intentions..)

[Boofo]

Ok, while we're on the subject, what about the button freaks around here that say to PM them for a quote? Why is that allowed then?

[dotagious]

Originally posted by Sebastian


That thread has no attachment but it has CODE!

if it was like that people would want everyone to PM them so they can charge, which isn't allowed here. (if those were your intentions..)

Posting code is not posting an attachment. An attachment is what was being argued here. Posting code also doesn?t address the issue of having a text file to download and refer to for future upgrades, which was the excuse for requiring the attachment. You can view what I'm talkign about here (https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?postid=357233#post357233) . As for the money, I clearly stated that my intention was not to charge. You can view that post here (https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?postid=357230#post357230). Anything else?

[Erwin]

Boofo, that's not allowed.

Report them.

[Martin64]

From now on I won't attach my hacks, anyone who wants them will have to phone me, 1800-FREEHAX. Once you have consulted me or my secretary, I will burn a copy on a CD-R and send it through snail mail.

I will not give support to my hacks, and if you PM I will request to have you banned.

Thank you very much, I wish other hackers follow my advise and do the same thing. Thanks for inspiring me! Attach hacks? Pffft...those days are over.

[Boofo]

Don't forget to charge for them.

[Martin64]

Originally posted by Boofo
Don't forget to charge for them.

Send me dolares now!!!1 ;)

My post above was sarcastic, I feel I better point this out before I get flamed :p

[Boofo]

I wouldn't have answered it if I thought you were serious. ;)

[Martin64]

Originally posted by Boofo
I wouldn't have answered it if I thought you were serious. ;)

Oh, hehe, I didn't mean that you thought I was serious, that was just a general shoutcast. :D

:bunny:

[Dean C]

Erwin - why is fine for people to ask for quotes for work and give them a quote (this is in the graphics + templates forum)

Yet to say PM me for a quote isn't?

Fill me in because a lot of people ask for work to be done in those forums and i take a lot of the work on yet i didn't realise it was wrong to say PM me for a quote.

- miSt

[Erwin]

Bottom line: No advertising here on vB.org. This is not a place for free ads.

No posting - PM me for a quote.

People can REQUEST services. If you can provide the service, contact the member requesting it, but don't advertise your services here. If we allow it, these forums will turn into a spamfest.

[Smoothie]

Bottom line: No advertising here on vB.org. This is not a place for free ads.
Not that I care, but does this include moderators and admins here as well, or does this just apply to members?

[Erwin]

I think this applies to everyone, with the exception of Chen who owns this site. :)

[Smoothie]

So, it's not the bottom line? ;)

[Erwin]

I don't think I would be banning Chen in a hurry. ;)

[Boofo]

Coward! ;)

[Davey]

Why not? He never comes online anymore anyway :p.
Just kidding Chen :) you know we like ya really.
Anyways; keeping that rule suits me, I don't think vB.org would be a very good forum if people were going around charging for their hacks and advertising their costly services, etc., it would just get annoying.

Dave.

[Boofo]

He lurks around here under the cover of an invisible user. ;)

[Smoothie]

Is ok, because hivemail rocks!

[Dean C]

Chen once said advertising is not forbidden here... Neo made a post about it here and Chen said it was fine:

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46068&perpage=15&display=&pagenumber=1

I know this is referring to signatures but i think if you are going to stop people answering requests then you should stop people asking for design work to be done.

My 2 cents

- miSt

[Erwin]

Signatures ARE DIFFERENT to POSTS.

We are discussing opening a new forum for Design/ Programming Requests. But people CANNOT SOLICIT work here. That is known as spamming.

[Dean C]

I would really like to see a forum like that Erwin. You'd make me a happy man indeed. At least then the useless posts in the templates forums don't have to be asking for work or advertising work :) You have my backing anyway :p

- miSt