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NTLDR

08-11-2002, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by tacoX
I see that there is a new 'hack' out for vBB

Firstly its vB **not** vBB.

...called HiveMail. Does anyone know were I can find this for my forum (http://www.zelaron.com/forums)

Secondly this was written by Chen (aka FireFly), he hasn't released this hack and I belive he is not intending to, however he may be selling it.

Birdie501

08-11-2002, 09:24 PM

Hey Chen,

how much will it cost? :)

DrkFusion

08-12-2002, 01:02 AM

we want hive mail...my budget is 85$ lol..

-Drk

Omar_2002

08-14-2002, 04:39 PM

I'd also be interested, even if it did cost some $$$ ;-)

zachb

08-14-2002, 06:59 PM

As would I, I have about $100 right now and I could spend about $75 of it. :D

okrogius

08-14-2002, 08:12 PM

I emailed chen about it. Right now he isn't selling it but it is planned as soon as he gets the hivemail website running. Also the plan is to convert it from a vb hack to a standalone application - you will be able to buy the code for your website or have a hosted solution.

grace819

10-31-2002, 04:02 PM

Any updates? :)

Automated

11-06-2002, 11:57 AM

i am very interested in it aswell!

Kars10

11-06-2002, 04:58 PM

Me too!! :)

JulianD

11-08-2002, 06:40 PM

The website has been launched... Take alook:

http://www.hivemail.com/

Dean C

11-09-2002, 08:27 AM

Cool i was waiting for the launch :)

- miSt

Erwin

11-09-2002, 08:39 AM

I can see Xenon's name in the screenshot Chen is using on the homepage. :) Nice piece of software.

DrkFusion

11-09-2002, 12:49 PM

Look amazing, and the price is super!

I AM TELLING MY FRIENDS ABOUT THIS, AND GETTING ONE MY SELF FOR SURE!

http://www.hivemail.com/features.html
Look at the features, that just stuff to die for :ogre: :p

-Arunan

Chris M

11-09-2002, 01:13 PM

I am buying:D

Satan

DrkFusion

11-09-2002, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by hellsatan
I am buying:D

Satan
Buy the package of 2-4 ;)

Chris M

11-09-2002, 01:21 PM

I would, but Ordering isnt available yet:(

Satan

DrkFusion

11-09-2002, 01:29 PM

Aww, but I see Chen has revamped the default style, looks great!

-Arunan

Chris M

11-09-2002, 01:40 PM

It looks cool:)

Satan

NTLDR

11-09-2002, 07:02 PM

I think I may have to get this too :D

Its a very impressive system and provided my host will support the email pipe or whatever was needed then when I can afford it I shall be purchasing :D

Chris M

11-09-2002, 07:17 PM

I can afford it...I just need my host to check it out, and Chen to sell it;)

Satan

assassingod

11-09-2002, 07:21 PM

Can you buy it for me hellsatan :pirate:
;)

I will be buying it, I earn twice as much as an unsupported license each month:)

DrkFusion

11-09-2002, 11:35 PM

HellSatan I asked Dan already, he seems to like it alot.

-Arunan

zachb

11-10-2002, 11:15 AM

I am definately buying if it still integrates like it does on vB.org. If it doesn't I still may consider it, but probably won't get it right away.

TECK

11-10-2002, 12:46 PM

the hivemail site looks alot to me like vbulletin one. :)
also, i recognise the vbulletin template touches onto it... my questions is this:
assuming you offer 2mb/user... that's 200mb/100users 2gig/1000users. going in this proportion, the server will cost you a fortune...

at who hivemail aims exacly in their market strategy?

Dean C

11-10-2002, 01:01 PM

I'll only offer 500kb p/user if i had it..

If you were serious about offering a proffesional webmail system you could charge for use of the service to compensate for costs..

- miSt

TECK

11-10-2002, 01:06 PM

500k? you can do almost nothing with it... and still will load you big time on the database.
a free email account have 2-10mb with web interface. why would i pay for it? just to have a name? is not worth imo, paying to have a @teckwizards.com email for example.

TECK

11-10-2002, 01:11 PM

from what i see, hivemail is a great system for ISP providers and hosts only. not regular users with 500mb-1gig databases.
if you have a board with 10,000 members ur screwed royally, with all the bells and nice graphs the script have.

Chris M

11-10-2002, 02:03 PM

I would restrict it to the Paying members only...

@Arunan - Does Dan think it would work?:)

Satan

DrkFusion

11-10-2002, 02:58 PM

Yes he does, it look much better then Squirrel Mail rite? lol

Chris M

11-10-2002, 03:48 PM

Much;)

:)

Satan

Admin

11-10-2002, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by TECK
the hivemail site looks alot to me like vbulletin one. :)
also, i recognise the vbulletin template touches onto it... my questions is this:
assuming you offer 2mb/user... that's 200mb/100users 2gig/1000users. going in this proportion, the server will cost you a fortune...

at who hivemail aims exacly in their market strategy?
You're talking about the extreme - let's not. The very early version of HiveMail has been running here on vBulletin.org for quite a while (at least 3 months), with about 50 active users. Today, the size of the mail database is 8.8MB. Add to that address book, POP3 accounts, message rules, etc. and we'll just round it up to 9MB. That's roughly 200KB per user... in 3 months. Let's multiply that by 20, we'll have 1000 users and 180MB. Another x5, and we got to 5000 users and 1GB. Now, if you have 5000 active users I wouldn't expect you to run on a $5/month shared server with 15 other sites... you'd need something a bit more powerful than that, and usually that comes with lots and lots of space to spare.

Of course, that's without even comparing the program to other solutions out there. Looking at nobody.net you need to pay $60/month for 500 users only, and if you need more? "Contact Us".

I don't know, it makes sense to me... but then again you'd be surprised if it didn't, right? :)

Chris M

11-10-2002, 07:10 PM

Very;)

Anybody expecting thousands of users must be on a server to cope with that amount, so it will easily fit!:)

Satan

DrkFusion

11-10-2002, 07:31 PM

Is the newsletter going to be used? I really want to test out this sucker "again"

-Arunan

TECK

11-10-2002, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by FireFly

You're talking about the extreme - let's not. The very early version of HiveMail has been running here on vBulletin.org for quite a while (at least 3 months), with about 50 active users. Today, the size of the mail database is 8.8MB. Add to that address book, POP3 accounts, message rules, etc. and we'll just round it up to 9MB. That's roughly 200KB per user... in 3 months. Let's multiply that by 20, we'll have 1000 users and 180MB. Another x5, and we got to 5000 users and 1GB. Now, if you have 5000 active users I wouldn't expect you to run on a $5/month shared server with 15 other sites... you'd need something a bit more powerful than that, and usually that comes with lots and lots of space to spare.

Of course, that's without even comparing the program to other solutions out there. Looking at nobody.net you need to pay $60/month for 500 users only, and if you need more? "Contact Us".

I don't know, it makes sense to me... but then again you'd be surprised if it didn't, right? :) the stats you're presenting chen are satisfactory to understand what type of clientele you're aiming at.
thanks for taking the time to explain.

Chris M

11-10-2002, 08:59 PM

@Arunan - Newsletter?

Who said anything about a newsletter?:confused:

Satan

Erwin

11-10-2002, 09:05 PM

Like I've said in the past, running a web-based email service can get server intensive - so don't do it unless you are prepared. :)

Chris M

11-10-2002, 09:12 PM

Yeh...

I may only allow those who already can use it to do so;)

Satan

KelteN

11-11-2002, 02:44 AM

$180... :(

Too much $ for me :(

But im sure its well worth it. :\

ethank

11-11-2002, 06:11 PM

How is the vBulletin integration with this? What are the system requirements?

NTLDR

11-11-2002, 06:34 PM

If the commercial one is the same as that used here at at yaxay.com then it integrates 100% with it.

Admin

11-11-2002, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by NTLDR
If the commercial one is the same as that used here at at yaxay.com then it integrates 100% with it.
It's not quite the same, HiveMail was based on what was used here and at yaXay but it's different now. It's a standalone program that currently has no integration with vBulletin (and, if you think about it, there isn't a lot that can be done to integrate the two).

ethank

11-11-2002, 08:09 PM

okrogius

11-11-2002, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by FireFly

It's not quite the same, HiveMail was based on what was used here and at yaXay but it's different now. It's a standalone program that currently has no integration with vBulletin (and, if you think about it, there isn't a lot that can be done to integrate the two).

Just a quick question about the backend... How are the users based/managed?

For example, is it that you must create a pop3 account on your server for each user? Or do you just have one subdomain/domain which has a catchall pointing to hivemail, which sorts all the email from this catchall adress? Etc.

chrispadfield

11-12-2002, 02:13 PM

Hivemail is now released! Looks awesome; well done Chen.

Admin

11-12-2002, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by Codename49
Just a quick question about the backend... How are the users based/managed?

For example, is it that you must create a pop3 account on your server for each user? Or do you just have one subdomain/domain which has a catchall pointing to hivemail, which sorts all the email from this catchall adress? Etc.
Just like you said, a fake catchAll account is created and then HiveMail delivers the messages to the users. We also offer a pipe gateway, which is better. But basically you can set it up in two different ways - pipe gateway or using a POP3 account.

Admin

11-12-2002, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by ethank
There most certainly is, but not anything that couldn't be done with a few SQL statements.
Integration is certainly planned for the very near future. :)

JulianD

11-12-2002, 04:36 PM

Wow... Looks really good.

Neo

11-12-2002, 05:02 PM

to much for me.

CRego3D

11-15-2002, 05:41 AM

Originally posted by hellsatan
Very;)

Anybody expecting thousands of users must be on a server to cope with that amount, so it will easily fit!:)

Satan

On yaXay we have about 700 Mail users .. the SQL table for the mail alone is about 40MB ..

Works quite well :)

Dean C

11-15-2002, 03:17 PM

Sure does :)

- miSt

ethank

11-16-2002, 06:53 AM

I might buy it and charge for it from my users. Nice revenue generator. ANy thought of paypal integration?

Koss

11-16-2002, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by ethank
I might buy it and charge for it from my users. Nice revenue generator. ANy thought of paypal integration?

im not sure if any users would actually pay for such a service when there is countless of other free service available,

ethank

11-18-2002, 03:52 PM

Not that have @remfans.com as their domain :)

okrogius

11-18-2002, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by ethank
I might buy it and charge for it from my users. Nice revenue generator. ANy thought of paypal integration?

I doubt many users will pay for a webmail, your domain name won't have that much of an impact imho.

As far as integration you should be able to add this functionality incredibly easily.

TECK

11-19-2002, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by FireFly
Just like you said, a fake catchAll account is created and then HiveMail delivers the messages to the users. We also offer a pipe gateway, which is better. But basically you can set it up in two different ways - pipe gateway or using a POP3 account. Let me get this right... you are telling me that all web emails will be handled by your ISP POP/SMTP server? If the pipe gateway on your server is not available?

Admin

11-19-2002, 12:35 PM

What?

grace819

11-21-2002, 07:37 AM

Firefly, is it possible to integrate my forum members with hivemail (meaning once members log-in, they can immediately use hivemail)? If yes, do you give any tutorial or installation instructions on how to do this?

TECK

11-21-2002, 12:50 PM

*removed*

Dean C

11-21-2002, 03:34 PM

hmmmmm.... ^

- miSt

Admin

11-21-2002, 04:16 PM

Just for your information Floren, I have *PAID* Everaldo to design HiveMail, and I even mention this in the program's admin panel. Next time, before making assumptions in public, dig a little more into the facts and make sure you actually know what you're talking about. You can email him at everaldo@everaldo.com if you don't believe me.
I am only posting this here since others who may have read your nonsense should know the truth.

Originally posted by TECK
Before you say "what" again and "act" ignorant...

It's not my fault your English isn't perfect, I couldn't understand what you were saying so genuinely tried to figure it out, and I don't see what's wrong with that.

okrogius

11-21-2002, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by grace819
Firefly, is it possible to integrate my forum members with hivemail (meaning once members log-in, they can immediately use hivemail)? If yes, do you give any tutorial or installation instructions on how to do this?

It's not in 1.0, but it is planned for 1.1. In the meantime however, I'll likely post some chunk of code to do this, once it's working well, on hivemail forums.