Would you like to see the Full Releases forum become moderated?

[Admin]

Yay, another poll. :)

This is something I have been thinking about for quite a while, and the recent hakcs that are nothing but duplicates of existing hacks with a new name, made me think about this option even more.
These hacks cause confusion to a lot of us, I am sure. I also know some people only post these hacks to get a high hack count, and I've been deleting many hacks of this nature.

So, would you like us to moderate new hacks in the Full Releases and Beta Hacks forums?
There are three options:
~ Yes
~ No
~ Yes, but only for members with less than X posts / X hacks / X days registered.

I want to know what you think about this. :)

Cheers.

[cditty]

Hate to say this, but yes.

Chris

[Admin]

BTW, if you vote for the second option (only for XYZ members), please specify how you think this should be decided.

[Lesane]

Yes, but only for members with less then 950 posts ;):D

I see your point and i agree 100% with yes. *points to that mirror hack from my "How many threads a user started in a specified forum" that's posted yesterday*

[filburt1]

I'm thinking maybe 20 posts/10 days. By then the mods would have read the users's posts and already know if that person is licensed or not. It also stops worthless posts like THIS HACK DOESN'T WORK and other stupid ones.

[TWTCommish]

I'm thinking a couple hundred posts, but I'm not sure. Maybe 100 or so. But I definitely think some kind of moderation is needed. Some of those threads are just far too flippant.

[Recluse]

yes!! it would also be nice for some way to seperate the support part of the thread from the" thanks great hack " and other stuff that gets posted in the thread. makes it hard to dig thru all the post to see if someone else has the same problem you did. just a thought :)

[Dean C]

what do u mean ?? can u elaborate on what you mean by MODERATE in this instance?? :D

[Admin]

I mean that new threads (not posts!) will not appear after you submit them but will be approved by moderators.
It's the standard moderation feature in vBulletin.

[FWC]

Something definitely needs to be done. There is definitely too much junk in there. I don't know how easy it would be to automate by post count. You could end up with people spamming just to get to the point where they can release hacks. And there is enough spamming going on already. Maybe straight moderation of new hacks is best.

[nuno]

yes to first one
second it's just lame :rolleyes:

[mondaynightmike]

YES there should be. for the first one. but that would take a lot of time to moderate all the new threads.

[Dean C]

oh yes... i agree with this... but you would need to make sure that you have a mod team on almost all day ...

[Aaow AnD wHiTe]

What it's really importan it's to "force" hackers to have their hacks beta tested. Sometimes there are people that release hacks and admit they haven't tested it. I don't think that helps anyone.

We really appreciate all the work involved in hacking, but releasing something in the full releases forum that hasn't been tested it's bad for everyone.

We think that should be the main reason to start moderating the full releases forum :)

We also would like to show our respect to everyone that is here trying to help others. We are learning so much with you, guys! THANK YOU!

[Harvey]

mhmm,

I am not happy with the current result of the poll.

It may be for example that my Hack ist not new, but before I wrote it myself, I searched for an existing, because I don't need to work for develop hacks myself (thanks @all, who wrote hacks I use). But it may be, that I error because of my great english. But perhaps - if someone develops a hack and wants to share it - it is in some points better than the not seen existing. The best would be, to merge the hacks to an optimal Result.

I am afraid that nobody understand or that I wrote something that I don't really - ehm - what's the vokabulary? - that I wrote something that is not consistent with that what my Brain would like to post . So I do it in german again:

Das bisherige Ergebnis der Umfrage gefällt mir persönlich nicht. Es mag sein, das z.B. mein Hack schon eimal da war, das habe ich dann aber beim Durchsuchen der Datenbank aufgrund meiner schlechten Englischkenntnisse übersehen. Leiber nutze ich selbstvertändlich getestete Hacks (danke an alle, die Ihre Ideen teilen). Falls es aber zu mehrfach geposteten Hacks kommen sollte wäre der Idealfall der, dass sich alle Beteiligten zusammen tuen, um das Optimum zu erreichen. Sofortiges Löschen eines Threads wäre dazu der falsche Weg.

Ich erlaube ausdrücklich jedem, der den deutschen Teil versteht und das Recht hat, diesen Beitrag zu editieren, den Müll den ich in Englisch verzapft habe zu berichtigen. Thanks.

[Admin]

I'm sorry Harvey but I really tried to understand your post and couldn't. :( Can anyone please translate it? Thanks.

[mjames]

I voted yes - I would like some moderation to cut-down on repeat hacks and the like.

[Reeve of shinra]

I dont speak german but I believe he was basically trying to say that people sometimes create hacks because they didn't know it was already released. And this new version they created may sometimes be better than the original & they should be combined.

[Xenon]

I'm german,

Reeve of shinra, has postet the right conclusion out of Harveys post. Harvey thought if someone post a better version of an existing hack, he and the Author of the original hack should perhaps work together. Just deleting of the new Hack is the fals way.


Ok now me:
I vote the second option, and it should depend on the days registred. Cause the amount of posts say nothing about the time how often someone reads the forum ;)

[Modshack]

TBH I dont give a rats arse cos I was on a site the other day that had the entire hacks database on it so there are people here who obviously post them for those S.O.B's who dont have legit licences.

I think the best bet would be to make the entire site Registered members only.

But then I am a moaning old git.

HM

[Admin]

Modshack: those databases are built by license owners who just download the hacks from here and upload to that database (warez-supporters). Please send me the URL in PM. :)

[Sparkz]

Nono, post the url here... Oh, nm... I still have a license - I think ;)

[Rose]

I'll throw my vote in for "YES". The Full Releases forum is so cluttered that I've rarely ventured in in nearly a month. :( I need to update my board with some hacks, but haven't felt the energy to sort through everything. *lol* So, yeah, a little moderation would be nice. (y) :D

[floleb7]

definitely yes

[Snake~eyes]

Make them have atleast one hack already released.

[qwaz]

I think it's gonna get pretty sketchy having someone judge who's work is more valid than another.

Variety is good for the consumer, you don't need to hold our hands and tell us which hacker wrote the better hack. That is up to us to decide.

I hope for the sake of coders you don't moderate the board.

[Snake~eyes]

IT needs to atleast be moderated for people not realizing its a database and posting requests or other hacking related material that doesn't belong.

I also agree there should be a variety of hacks. Some may be better than others.

ah well

[Admin]

Originally posted by qwaz
I think it's gonna get pretty sketchy having someone judge who's work is more valid than another.
We are not going to judge the quality of the code, that is not our intention and we don't have enough manpower to do that.

[qwaz]

Originally posted by FireFly

We are not going to judge the quality of the code, that is not our intention and we don't have enough manpower to do that.

So what is going to be moderated?

Are you going to say to hacker b who wrote version to of hack x written by hacker a that it isn't going to go on your site?

[Admin]

We won't accept re-posted hacks or someone's hack that is posted by someone else. (i.e hacker B takes a hack by hacker A, and post it as his own)

[wooolF[RM]]

good idea... yes

[qwaz]

Originally posted by FireFly
We won't accept re-posted hacks or someone's hack that is posted by someone else. (i.e hacker B takes a hack by hacker A, and post it as his own)

What if hacker b writes a better version?

[Admin]

We accept it.

[Ghostsuit]

Ok I voted option 2 and again think it should be judged by days registered rather than posts. I don't post that heavily mainly because
[list=1]
I search for the answer before I post an error which 98% of the time means I don't have to post a question since it's been answered already.
I don't spend alot of time just hanging out due to work :( (wish I could I like this place and the people)
I tend to only post if I have something useful to add.
[/list=1]

[qwaz]

Originally posted by FireFly
We accept it.

So that's what I'm saying. You're going to be judging the quality of the code, I hope you have the manpower.

[Admin]

Originally posted by qwaz
So that's what I'm saying. You're going to be judging the quality of the code, I hope you have the manpower.
No, where have you read that? You must be reading my posts and backwards. If hacker B releases a different version of an existing hack there is no reason not to accept it. Whether it's better or worse, that's up to you to decide.

[qwaz]

>edit<

[Harvey]

oha - now I understand you.

PS: suggestion for a new hack: user may edit his voting ;) :D

[AWS]

Yes. It would cut down on the clutter that resides in most of the replies. The "yea this is cool", "check my site I installed" and other nonsense that currenty populates most of the threads.
Each thread for a hack should serve as support for the hack and anything else should be moderated out. I read the forum everyday, even though I don't have any hacks installed, and for every useful post there are 3 others that do nothing but take up space.

[Snake~eyes]

Originally posted by FireFly
We won't accept re-posted hacks or someone's hack that is posted by someone else. (i.e hacker B takes a hack by hacker A, and post it as his own)

IS this currenlty even a problem?

[nafae]

I like this idea, I voted option two... Primarily because most older members aren't the ones posting the repeats etc. It is the newer members who aren't familiar with the vbulletin hacking and are unsure of what it means. (They think posting javascript or template modifications are 'hacks')
:bunny: God i love this critter

[Evoir]

Ya know, I voted for Yes, but after reading this thread completely, I want to change my vote to NO.

Here's my reasoning:

a) it is going to take a lot of ork to decide what is the same hack, and hat is a variation on the hack.

b) What I think is really needed is a different kind of moderation: strong leadership. Hold people to a higher standard. Insist that the hack be original, that it be bug checked, etc before it is posted. Delete the threads (or lock the threads) that don't comply. Be hard-asses.

I rarely visit the hack board because it is hard to find hat you are looking for. And often a hack gets released and then 35 pages later all the bugs are worked out. By then, the hacker doesn't ever want to see that thread again, and I (or someone else) needs help with the hack... frustrating.

Anyway, I say: be hard-asses and enforce a higher standard of ediquitte in that forum. (sp?)

[TECK]

yes. we all see several hacks here "re-released" for a newer vB version. in my humble oppinion, there are alot of people who dont search properly the forum to see if the hack was released.

the way i see it me is this:
i search for the hack. i find it but is old. i check the code and make the new mods. i reply to the thread with the update.

anyway, if the forum is moderated, i wonder if the mods or the admins will be able to cover it all. i didnt see bira here for a verrrrrry long time. that puts on the spot PPN, by himself to do it all. of course, firefly will be here also. but i still wonder if 2 active people should be enough to moderate the forum. let me know what you think. thanks.

[TECK]

Originally posted by Evoir
it is going to take a lot of ork to decide what is the same hack, and hat is a variation on the hack.

I rarely visit the hack board because it is hard to find hat you are looking for. And often a hack gets released and then 35 pages later all the bugs are worked out. By then, the hacker doesn't ever want to see that thread again, and I (or someone else) needs help with the hack... frustrating.i doubt it. i'm sure that a mod can see in 2seconds if the code is valid or not. an example: quick reply box (by firefly). when he released the code, there was another similar hack. but after looking at the code, i realised that the first hack had half the options (and code) firefly wrote (the box will show only if ur logged in, for example).

about the 2nd phrase, you should use the search properly. i always find a hack, righaway.. using the search engine.

[Admin]

nafae: you have a virus, I just got 2 emails from you with a virus in each.

Evoir: I took a vote off Yes and added one to No. :)

[Harvey]

mhmm - I hope my english gets better from post to post. ;)

And I know that I'm making a President nervous :D

But I don't give up, because I like to give hints to you.

If you like, you may change a Yes to the middle for me. Optimal with one more hack: Moderate new threads if user has less then 3 hacks.

The because: On our board exists a forum where users may post tips for other users, but there should be no thread starting with a question (like "I need a tip"). Questions about a tip are allowed in the same thread. First we decided to moderate this forum, but we give up, it's too much work (only 10-30 new posts to moderate per day).

In german (free translation):

Wir haben auf unserer Seite ein Forum "Tipps und Tricks", in der Benutzer wertvolle Hinweise f?r andere Benutzer posten d?rfen. Jedoch sollten hier keine Beitr?ge mit einer Frage starten ("ich brauche einen Tipp"), damit das ?bersichtlich bleibt. Zuerst haben wir dieses Forum moderiert, aber das macht recht viel Arbeit, zumal Fragen zu den Tipps selbstverst?ndlich erlaubt sind. Optimal w?re ein Hack, der nur neue Threads moderiert. IMHO gilt das auch in diesem Fall, z.B. Moderation neuer Threads f?r Benutzer mit weniger als 3 Hacks.

Nebenbemerkung: Ich habe eine simple L?sung gefunden (aber hier nicht anwendbar): f?r dieses Forum setzte ich in newthread.php einen Hinweistext in das Antwortfeld. Den kann der Benutzer nicht ?bersehen, zumal er das l?schen muss.

[Harvey]

I translated the german part by a programm, but I don't know if the result is that what I want to say. I only know that the result from englisch to german is not very well.

constructed by Langenscheid T1:
We have a forum "Tips and tricks" on our page, in the user valuable notes for other users posten may. However no contributions with a question should start here ("I need a tip") so that that remains clear. First we moderated this forum, but that does job quite much especially as questions for the tips are allowed as a matter of course. Optimal would be Hack, that moderates only new threads. That is meant for IMHO also in this case, for example fashion ration of new threads for users with less than 3 Hacks.

Secondary remark: I found a simple solution (, however, here not applicable): for this forum I put some notes in newthread.php into the answer field. The user can not overlook that one especially as it must extinguish that.


something to :) : the program transtates "Bill Gates" to "Rechnung Tore". First word in german is that must you pay for something you haveshoped, in common the food in a restaurant. Second word is goal in "Fussball". OK. I'm afraid that nobody (or noone?) understands.
:) about me, I have no problem.

[Neo]

I would have to say with no dout in my mind. YES.

[el3m3nt]

lool bill gates = rechnung tore.. l??l.. ist schon verst?ndlich harvey :D

[bigmattyh]

Posted this in the Site Feedback forum, but here it is again:

I would support you guys moderating the hacks. The Full Releases forum has more than its share of duplicate, useless, and rough-draft-quality hacks to offer. I'm afraid moderating them may be the only way to separate the wheat from the chaff.

(I was guilty of posting junk at least once, too, when I started out.)

[MrLister]

I think moderating new hacks is a great idea. Then at least all hacks will be truly hacks rather then "mishaps" or "mistakes" or wrong button plus the admins and mods are on 99% of the time so it's not like it would be released late.

[tubedogg]

An unequivicol yes.

(And yes, I mispelled that on purpose :p)

[Admin]

You misspelled it on purpose, but only because you don't know how to spell it right. ;) *hides*

[tubedogg]

dem der is fightin' words, boy! :p

[ceo_tfw]

Personally I would say yes to the hacks to be moderated and this way we can trust that these hacks are the real mcoy

[Automated]

I say yes! Moderate it :p

[Dean C]

Ummm what possessed you to reply to such an old thread?

- miSt

[Boofo]

Maybe because he felt like it?

[Mephisteus]

I might aswell vote then :p

Yes, but only for members with less than X posts / hacks or registered for less than X days.

DAMN
should've voted no, if you do this you get incomplete hacks when their approved, so mostly no screens and all. And people start to complain like "Where are the screenshots?" "Screenshots plz?"

etc.etc.etc.

[zajako]

i voted for x amount however now that i think about it id say everyone, though this would cause a lot more work, but, sad to say it needs to be done.

[Bison]

Well needed ...

Tired of seeing useless hacks created and revision of hacks already created. One thing I would say before moderating them is ... see if the author is wiling to support the hack that is a revision of another hack. If the originator doesn't support his hack then consider the revised version as an alternative.

I know that some threads become "huge" after creating a very useful hack, but at least there may be someone here to support the original authors hack.

[poi@nwdnb]

This site is a fantastic resource.
I think that if the moderator team has the resources to spare to make this forum moderated, then it should be. For everyone. A lot of people take what they read/download in this forum in the confidence that they are downloading/using useful software, i think it is definitely a good idea for you guys to moderate these hacks first and make sure it has a place being listen in this forum.

[Erwin]

Although I don't moderate that forum, I do keep an eye on it, and remove threads that don't belong. :)

[Davey]

I vote yes.
It would SO clean the hacks database up for newbie users trying to find something specific.
It would also prevent those annoying double posts which result in 2 of the same hack being released.

Dave.

[Xenon]

Same as Erwin from me.
i don't moderate it, just have a look at it and do as much as i can...

but time is limited.....

[Bad Bunny]

I think it should be moderated unless a person has released a certain number of hacks. This would help ,ake the site more useful.

I have a terrible time finding anything. :(