Still possible to download v2 and mods?

[escape2k]

Hi,

I know there are for sure not many people who can understand why i want to download vbulletin 2 and mods/styles in 2017 but i want to.

When i buy a new License is it still possible to download the latest Version of vbulletin 2 and here at vbulletin.org the plugins and styles for this Version?

Someone with License told me he can not download from the Archive.
Do i have to buy a original vb2 license for that?

I tought with a vbulletin License i can download all Versions of vbulletin and so also all mods.
Please help me thanks and yes i know what i do.

[MarkFL]

vB 2.x is not available for download at vBcom, nor are any addons for that version available here at vBorg. :)

[escape2k]

Why?
And there is no way to get them?

[Dave]

My guess is that it's discontinued and you'd have to use very old versions of PHP and MySQL if you want to use it.
You can try reaching out vBulletin through vbulletin.com, but I highly doubt they'll send the vBulletin 2 files to you.

[escape2k]

I do not have Problems to fix security issues and php 7 / mysql 5.7 support but i do not want to rewrite every single hack i need so if there is no option on getting access to the download section here at vbulletin.org it does not make sence to spend time on vbulletin 2. (Even if i can get it with a second hand license or from vbulletin official.)

So there would be no way to get access to the downloads here if i buy a license for vbulletin?

[Stingray27]

vB 2.x is not available for download at vBcom, nor are any addons for that version available here at vBorg. :)

That's not true - both 2.3.10 & 2.3.11 are still available.
You cannot download any addons for them from here anymore though.

[Dave]

That's not true - both 2.3.10 & 2.3.11 are still available.
You cannot download any addons for them from here anymore though.

Yea I guess you're right, it's displayed on the vBulletin 3 downloads page.

[MarkFL]

That's not true - both 2.3.10 & 2.3.11 are still available.
You cannot download any addons for them from here anymore though.

Yes, I see it now too and never noticed it before...my apologies to the OP for passing along bad information. :eek:

[escape2k]

Okay thats pretty awesome but would it be possible if i can show you a license that i can get access to the vb2 downloads here at vbulletin.org to? because without the mods its pretty useless.

[Dave]

Okay thats pretty awesome but would it be possible if i can show you a license that i can get access to the vb2 downloads here at vbulletin.org to? because without the mods its pretty useless.
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=4

[escape2k]

everyone can see it https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=3

[Dave]

everyone can see it https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=3

Yes, you cannot download any of the plugins though, not even I can.

[escape2k]

yes but I think they are still there, is there maybe someone i can contact and ask if it would might be possible to get access?
Because it depends on the ability to download mods if i buy a vbulletin license or not.

Or maybe there is someone who safed that stuff back when it was available to download for all users, than it would be cool to get a pm.

[Dave]

You have to private message one of the administrators on this forum. I highly doubt they'll allow you to download the plugins though.

[escape2k]

Thanks for the Info i will contact an admin.
Maybe they allow me to access and just want to hide from the public to force updates. :)

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For some Reason it is not possible to send them an Email or PM.
Can you send me a PM with a Contact E-Mail, maybe Wayne Luke if he registered since 2002? Would be very cool.

[In Omnibus]

Why are you trying to obtain something with more security holes than government e-mail servers? Enquiring minds want to know.

[escape2k]

Simply because its simple to use and modify, not as bulk as todays systems.
I cannot find something like that today.
Sure it needs a lot of work but the result would it be worth for me.

Just fix security related stuff, make it work with php 7.2 and mysql 5.7 make new responsive templates and seo optimisation and you would have the best forum software available when you ask me.

[In Omnibus]

Simply because its simple to use and modify, not as bulk as todays systems.
I cannot find something like that today.
Sure it needs a lot of work but the result would it be worth for me.

Just fix security related stuff, make it work with php 7.2 and mysql 5.7 make new responsive templates and seo optimisation and you would have the best forum software available when you ask me.

Personally I think you'd be much better off with vBulletin 3.8.9. You can make it pretty much as light on a server as you want but it is up to date on security patches and mostly complies with modern coding standards.

Unless you have your own server you may not even find a host willing to allow you to install something as outdated as vBulletin 2.x

[Dave]

Simply because its simple to use and modify, not as bulk as todays systems.
I cannot find something like that today.
Sure it needs a lot of work but the result would it be worth for me.

Just fix security related stuff, make it work with php 7.2 and mysql 5.7 make new responsive templates and seo optimisation and you would have the best forum software available when you ask me.

That's a significant amount of work, you'd be better off writing your own forum software.

[escape2k]

I have someone who would make the Responsive Templates for me (Complete Rewritten) so its still alot of work but its possible.

So can you might forward this Thread to the Staff because i can not contact them per Email or PM.
If i would get access i will make it, if not then not because i do not want to write a bunch of hacks that already exist. (It arent just 2 or 3)

Writing my own Forum Software would take a lot more time and i like the vbulletin 2 a lot so why write a new one.

[TheLastSuperman]

I have someone who would make the Responsive Templates for me (Complete Rewritten) so its still alot of work but its possible.

So can you might forward this Thread to the Staff because i can not contact them per Email or PM.
If i would get access i will make it, if not then not because i do not want to write a bunch of hacks that already exist. (It arent just 2 or 3)

Writing my own Forum Software would take a lot more time and i like the vbulletin 2 a lot so why write a new one.

You should still be able to download vBulletin 2 by selecting the version when downloading any current version (see attached screenshot) as Stingray and others mentioned. I do not recommend using vB2. If you had for example been using it this entire time (since it's release) and had a developer who consistently patched it and kept it up-to-date then perhaps but you're coming into this nearly a decade after it's releasing hoping to patch anything security related and keep all the hackers out? "Good Luck with that!" would be what I'd say to the Eskimo building his igloo out of fire lol i.e. don't try to do that okay? Just go with vBulletin 3/4/5 (more so 3 or 4) and have a developer do to it what you want done = done.

Edit: We will not allow download of those modifications for quite a few reasons and it's not up for discussion either, you can open a ticket with vBulletin support to ask but my best guess it will be a no for a similar set of reasons.

[Mark.B]

Just as an aside, vBulletin 2 does not have 'plugins', it has add-ons and you manually edited the files etc. Indeed even 3.0 is like this, the product and plugin system didn't appear until 3.5.

[escape2k]

Im not new to vBulletin i know the system i do just not actually have a license.
Its 17 years or so since vb2 came out.

you can open a ticket with vBulletin support to ask but my best guess it will be a no for a similar set of reasons.

I do not understand for what i should contact the vbulletin support, for access to the hacks?
And where is this Ticket System? Link?

I know vBulletin 2 has no automatic Plugin installer.
So it are Hacks. :)

I personally can not understand why there is no access to the downloads section generally, when there is somebody like me wanting to use or just have fun with the old software why he should not download these hacks?
vBulletin also still let you download the old releases and other Forum Software Companys like UBB also let you download the old versions.

[Mark.B]

1. Access to add ons is for license holders only. Why would anyone without a license be running the software in the first place? Doing so is unlawful.

2. Even with a license, the add ons are insecure. Allowing them to be downloaded will result in people using them and then blaming the company when they get hacked as a result.

This is not going to change.

[Paul M]

I personally can not understand why there is no access to the downloads section generally, when there is somebody like me wanting to use or just have fun with the old software why he should not download these hacks?
Because they are ancient, and designed for equally ancient, insecure, software.

The main reason older versions of vB are available is because the old licensing system only allowed you to access the version up to when your licence support expired - so blocking them would block all the old (perfectly valid) vB3 licences from accessing any version.

[X-or]

Never underestimate how much modding is important to customers.

The reason why internet explorer lost its leadership, the reason why I upgraded to vb4 and the reason why I never upgraded to vb5 are all the same : modding.

We will never forgive what you did with vb5.

[In Omnibus]

Never underestimate how much modding is important to customers.

The reason why internet explorer lost its leadership, the reason why I upgraded to vb4 and the reason why I never upgraded to vb5 are all the same : modding.

We will never forgive what you did with vb5.

It's not vBulletin's fault that a large number of their third party coder know just enough about coding to be dangerous but not enough to understand how an API works.

It's hard and we can't make any money by writing an hour's worth of code! Wah!

So they all went to XenForo, where they can code like it's the year 2000. LOL.

If mods are that important you don't look for free ones. You pay a professional to do specifically what you need to a standard rarely seen in free mods.

[Dave]

I think the problem with vBulletin 5 is the lack of documentation.
If they had a documentation like Laravel (https://laravel.com/docs/5.5), it would have so much more plugins.

[In Omnibus]

I think the problem with vBulletin 5 is the lack of documentation.
If they had a documentation like Laravel (https://laravel.com/docs/5.5), it would have so much more plugins.

Unless there's something I don't know Wayne Luke doesn't exactly have countless hours to dedicate to writing a comprehensive vB5.x manual. Neither do the developers.

The aforemetioned notwithstanding:

Documentation should have been available at release. That ship has sailed.

[TheLastSuperman]

Unless there's something I don't know Wayne Luke doesn't exactly have countless hours to dedicate to writing a comprehensive vB5.x manual. Neither do the developers.

The aforemetioned notwithstanding:

Documentation should have been available at release. That ship has sailed.

What use would it of been? They paid Paul to remove the hook system... yes he was tasked with that so unless you wanted to do manual file edits when vB5 first hit each and every upgrade and do your own custom mods w/o ease-of-use hook system it truly didn't matter back then. The ship never sailed, it sunk and now we're so far behind on having anything remotely close to the sheer number of vB3/4 plugins available that vB5 with all it's effort will never be to me (personally speaking) what vB3 or 4 ever was in their worst forms.

Progress has been made sure, tons of improvements to vB5 and it's nice now but it's still standing in modification quicksand.

[In Omnibus]

What use would it of been? They paid Paul to remove the hook system... yes he was tasked with that so unless you wanted to do manual file edits when vB5 first hit each and every upgrade and do your own custom mods w/o ease-of-use hook system it truly didn't matter back then. The ship never sailed, it sunk and now we're so far behind on having anything remotely close to the sheer number of vB3/4 plugins available that vB5 with all it's effort will never be to me (personally speaking) what vB3 or 4 ever was in their worst forms.

Progress has been made sure, tons of improvements to vB5 and it's nice now but it's still standing in modification quicksand.

It's all hindsight at this point but maybe a few more third party coders would have stuck around had they understood the API documentation. I realize they're all experienced with and used to PHP hooks but it's an outdated coding method compared with API apps. The intention of vB5 was correct. The implementation left much to be desired.

[SaN-DeeP]

Hi,

I know there are for sure not many people who can understand why i want to download vbulletin 2 and mods/styles in 2017 but i want to.

When i buy a new License is it still possible to download the latest Version of vbulletin 2 and here at vbulletin.org the plugins and styles for this Version?

Someone with License told me he can not download from the Archive.
Do i have to buy a original vb2 license for that?

I tought with a vbulletin License i can download all Versions of vbulletin and so also all mods.
Please help me thanks and yes i know what i do.

A straight no, looking at your join date.. age old users should move ahead.. rather then making new accounts..

[BirdOPrey5]

I would say not to email VB Support, nothing we can do about it. Perhaps post on the Licensed CUstomers Feedback Forum on vBulletin.com and say you want access to old mods on vb.org. No, it won't change, but I always thought losing access to the early 3.x mods (3.5, 3.6, 3.7) especially was arbitrary and unnecessary. Many still worked on 3.8.x at the time.

[Stingray27]

You can still access 3.6 & 3.7 mods, its only 3.5 or earlier that are not available.

Almost anythigng released for 3.5 was duplicated in 3.6 onwards as well, by the developers at the time.

[BirdOPrey5]

You can still access 3.6 & 3.7 mods, its only 3.5 or earlier that are not available.

Almost anythigng released for 3.5 was duplicated in 3.6 onwards as well, by the developers at the time.

It would appear someone has restored access to 3.6 and 3.7 mods, though they are still listed as being the "Archives." When they were first archived you could not download the mod files.

[escape2k]

"So they all went to XenForo, where they can code like it's the year 2000. LOL."

Dont know Xenforo but back in 2000 coding was more fun than it is now on this bulk and complex systems.

Look at vb2 its so easy to use and modify.
Then look on vb4 or 5.

[Paul M]

It would appear someone has restored access to 3.6 and 3.7 mods, though they are still listed as being the "Archives." When they were first archived you could not download the mod files.

They have always been available, I specifically wrote the code to allow it when they were archived, and put out a slightly different message.



Look at vb2 its so easy to use and modify.
Then look on vb4 or 5.
vB4 is easy to modify (easier than XF) and just the same as vB3 - however, vB5 is a whole different story.

[Mark.B]

"So they all went to XenForo, where they can code like it's the year 2000. LOL."

Dont know Xenforo but back in 2000 coding was more fun than it is now on this bulk and complex systems.

Look at vb2 its so easy to use and modify.
Then look on vb4 or 5.
People want to switch to XenForo because vBulletin won't support software written in 2001?

I sometimes can't quite comprehend the stuff I read sometimes.

[thetechgenius]

Why vB2, and not vBulletin 4? vB4 is the best, in my opinion anyway.

Like others have said, its not just about the security issues in the latest PHP7. vB2 wont even install in PHP7. But thats just not the security issues, its the entire vB2 framework, its how vB2 is coded.

You would have to rewrite most, if not ALL of the vB2 PHP files, for it to even install in PHP7. Then if you get it to install in PHP7, im sure you will run into problem after problem after problem after install. PHP had so many changes over the years, its crazy.

Then after you rewrite most or ALL of vB2, at that point most of the code wouldn't even be vBulletin's code, it would be yours. lol.

If you want to go down that route, your better off Coding and Building your own Forum Software from the ground up, for PHP7.

Thats just my two sense, good luck. To be honest, vB4 would be a lot better, and a lot more stable, with a lot more features then vB2.