Feedback - Responsiveness

[CarpCharacin]

The style should be made responsive.

[MarkFL]

Which style, and why?

[CarpCharacin]

Which style, and why?

Mobile friendliness. The vb.org style.

[Paul M]

I'm sure lots of things *should* happen.

However, the reality is they usually dont, and in this case, there are no plans to change the style.

[CarpCharacin]

I'm sure lots of things *should* happen.

However, the reality is they usually dont, and in this case, there are no plans to change the style.

that is a shame

[CarpCharacin]

it is a big shame.

[blind-eddie]

My phone can handle this site without issue.....maybe you should get a better phone.

[CarpCharacin]

My phone can handle this site without issue.....maybe you should get a better phone.

it doesn't scale right on mobile screens

[TheLastSuperman]

it doesn't scale right on mobile screens

Aye it may not, who in the world is downloading and installing modifications via phone though? Sure one needle in the haystack might try but it's best to do this on your PC i.e. zip file save locations, edit notes, change log notes etc.

I mean, I'm not arguing it would be nice to have and peruse the site, then later get home and install mods you marked or similar but when you're going to do work on your forum you should be using a desktop or laptop, just my opinion :p.

[CarpCharacin]

Doesn't the vb germany site use a modification system for vb4? Couldn't that be used here?

[BirdOPrey5]

A VB4 style wouldn't be compatible with this site which uses VB 3.x. Also any responsive style on vBulletin-Germany would be news to me, not that I have ever checked.

[Paul M]

Which part of this was unclear ?

..there are no plans to change the style.

[Brandon Sheley]

We'd all be happy if just the default vb style was responsive..lol

[CarpCharacin]

I said that the mod addon wouldn't have to be rewritten if you were to move to vb4

[Paul M]

We're not moving to vB4, so it doesnt really matter.

[RichieBoy67]

Even a good mobile theme would be great for this site... or possibly an app. :)

[BirdOPrey5]

I said that the mod addon wouldn't have to be rewritten if you were to move to vb4

I'm not seeing a responsive style anyway.... http://forum.vbulletin-germany.com/forum.php

Unless I'm missing something.

[In Omnibus]

I know things are slow around here but this thread is beating a dead horse.

What would be great for this site is more developers.

[TheAdminMarket]

What would be great for this site is more developers.

More developers to do what and (most important) for whom? Forum market (talking for all forum scripts) has shrinked so much last years. Much more for vBulletin. Give a look to Mods section and check how many downloads most of new mods have. Not even 20 even if most of them are really good mods. Do you know what was "20 downloads" 5 years ago? A per day average download. And now is a total for 3-4 months.

From the other side don't forget that there are mods almost for every need. Coding a 2nd (or worst, a 3nd) mod for the same use is a waste of time for any developer.

[RichieBoy67]

More developers to do what and (most important) for whom? Forum market (talking for all forum scripts) has shrinked so much last years. Much more for vBulletin. Give a look to Mods section and check how many downloads most of new mods have. Not even 20 even if most of them are really good mods. Do you know what was "20 downloads" 5 years ago? A per day average download. And now is a total for 3-4 months.

From the other side don't forget that there are mods almost for every need. Coding a 2nd (or worst, a 3nd) mod for the same use is a waste of time for any developer.

True Nick, things have really gone downhill in many ways for forums in general and releasing free mods here just does not stir up the kind of activity and interest that it used too. I do miss those days..

[TheAdminMarket]

I do miss those days..

Me too. So much !!:( My problem is not to code a new mod for Free if I knew that I'll have the amount of downloads that I had years ago. But to waste at least a month for coding and then see 10-20 downloads only, it breaks me.

[Replicant]

:up:Great derail guys, good to see this thread offtopic. Now if it were just closed, it'd be perfect.

[RichieBoy67]

:up:Great derail guys, good to see this thread offtopic. Now if it were just closed, it'd be perfect.Your post is off topic. :eek:

Very sorry sir. :)

It would be great to have a responsive site for us here but it is not happening.

[CarpCharacin]

There is a free mobile theme for vb 3.8. Why not just install it? It couldn't be that hard.

[MarkFL]

There is a free mobile theme for vb 3.8. Why not just install it? It couldn't be that hard.

There's a bit more to it than simply installing a new style. But even if there wasn't, it appears to me that the man in charge has stated that there are no plans to make vBorg responsive. Personally, I think it would be a great deal of work for a marginal benefit.

I may be biased though...I'm one of those weirdos that uses my phone for voice communications only, and my PC for the internet, like a "grup." :p

[In Omnibus]

I'm one of those weirdos that uses my phone for voice communications only, and my PC for the internet, like a "grup." :p

No serious developer or programmer would ever use a mobile device for that purpose.
I wouldn't say you're a "weirdo" in that regard.
In fact, if landline phones weren't nearly $100 a month I wouldn't even own a mobile device.

Frankly, I do not now nor have I ever understood the need to be social 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year.

I know the reality is more people now use mobile devices than desktops but those people aren't developers or programmers.

Or maybe I'm just getting old and soon every post will begin with "Back in my day ..." and end with "Get off my lawn!"

[RichieBoy67]

Everything is turning more and more mobile and as a developer site I would think it would be a given that there would be a mobile theme.

[In Omnibus]

Everything is turning more and more mobile and as a developer site I would think it would be a given that there would be a mobile theme.

It serves no viable purpose here since no one in their right mind would even attempt to download and install add ons or modifications with a smartphone.

Furthermore, most smartphones now display full 1920 X 1080P resolution so the work that goes into such a project would only benefit the few people whose mobile devices are incapable of displaying full resolution.

What would typically be hidden on a mobile theme to conserve page load cannot be hidden here, otherwise the primary purpose of the site would be invisible to mobile users.

If a mobile theme is ever developed for this site it won't be for vB4.x in any case. It will be for vB5.x and the entire site will be redone, a project which is so time consuming I can't imagine it ever taking priority over core software development. <insert $0.02 here>

[RichieBoy67]

It serves no viable purpose here since no one in their right mind would even attempt to download and install add ons or modifications with a smartphone.

Furthermore, most smartphones now display full 1920 X 1080P resolution so the work that goes into such a project would only benefit the few people whose mobile devices are incapable of displaying full resolution.

What would typically be hidden on a mobile theme to conserve page load cannot be hidden here, otherwise the primary purpose of the site would be invisible to mobile users.

If a mobile theme is ever developed for this site it won't be for vB4.x in any case. It will be for vB5.x and the entire site will be redone, a project which is so time consuming I can't imagine it ever taking priority over core software development. <insert $0.02 here> Most of the activity here is just posting and replying to posts. Every day I use my phone for this and I'm actually using it right now only it is not a good experience at all trying to post using a desktop theme.

A mobile theme even if just for browsing the forums would be very easy to install and would benefit this community greatly.

[In Omnibus]

Most of the activity here is just posting and replying to posts.

And therein lies the problem. The site tagline is "The Official vBulletin Modifications Site."

Most of what is being posted and replied to are modifications which are no longer even supported by their all too frequently missing developers.

I'm not sure how a mobile friendly site encourages development of add ons and modifications but if you can think of ways it might I'm sure the brass at vBulletin is listening, just as they always have. You know them, always thinking of the end user first.

[RichieBoy67]

And therein lies the problem. The site tagline is "The Official vBulletin Modifications Site."

Most of what is being posted and replied to are modifications which are no longer even supported by their all too frequently missing developers.

I'm not sure how a mobile friendly site encourages development of add ons and modifications but if you can think of ways it might I'm sure the brass at vBulletin is listening, just as they always have. You know them, always thinking of the end user first.
Well having a mobile theme would allow developers to respond to their threads for support, etc and it would allow more people to browse the mods perhaps to download at a later time.

It would also benefit this site from an seo perspective.

At any rate we are not talking about a major undertaking here. We are talking about adding a mobile theme to use the forums...

[KevinL]

I have used my phone to visit the site and have never had any issues with viewing replying or anything really. Don't really understand why they would need a mobile theme...

[RichieBoy67]

I have used my phone to visit the site and have never had any issues with viewing replying or anything really. Don't really understand why they would need a mobile theme...

Yes you can do it but you are using a desktop theme, text is small when scaled with the desktop version and it is very difficult to edit, etc.

Plus like I said, it is a simple thing adding a mobile theme to just browse the forums.

Just because there are a couple here that do not use mobile devices and do not mind using an inferior method of viewing a website does not mean it would not be beneficial to the site in general and useful to members.

I wonder if any one against the mobile theme does not have a mobile theme on their own site?

[MarkFL]

On 2 of the sites I help admin, we use Tapatalk...but I hate the way it lazily bypasses most of the plugin hooks and is incapable of rendering LaTeX, not to mention the signature spam you get in posts, unless you use a mod to prevent it. I would never use that hot mess on any site I owned. :)

[RichieBoy67]

On 2 of the sites I help admin, we use Tapatalk...but I hate the way it lazily bypasses most of the plugin hooks and is incapable of rendering LaTeX, not to mention the signature spam you get in posts, unless you use a mod to prevent it. I would never use that hot mess on any site I owned. :)We use Tapatalk as well though I really am not too happy with it. We also have the paid one and it is only $10 per month but not so great..

Here I would be happy with anything for mobile. :)

[TheLastSuperman]

Yogi Bear, Picnic Baskets, and Boo-Boo - Ranger Smith is not being responsive (https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showpost.php?p=2575300&postcount=9).

Dead horse? How now brown cow = diphthong

Edit: Silliness aside, I suppose if it irks you that much, a browser plugin should suffice with a little effort put into it;
- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/stylish/
- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/user-style-manager/

[In Omnibus]

I wonder if any one against the mobile theme does not have a mobile theme on their own site?

I've made them myself using a copy of the default theme. Not difficult. Time consuming.

However, a default installation has a lot fewer CSS changes than this site would have.

I wouldn't say I'm opposed to it. If for some reason they do it, great for those requesting it.

But I'll never use it. I'm never on this site from a mobile device.

[RichieBoy67]

Yogi Bear, Picnic Baskets, and Boo-Boo - Ranger Smith is not being responsive (https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showpost.php?p=2575300&postcount=9).

Dead horse? How now brown cow = diphthong

Edit: Silliness aside, I suppose if it irks you that much, a browser plugin should suffice with a little effort put into it;
- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/stylish/
- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/user-style-manager/

I would rather beat a dead horse then a live one. :D

Good info there.. Not sure if it would work for this but neat. :)

[noypiscripter]

Most of the activity here is just posting and replying to posts. Every day I use my phone for this and I'm actually using it right now only it is not a good experience at all trying to post using a desktop theme.

A mobile theme even if just for browsing the forums would be very easy to install and would benefit this community greatly.
I agree with this. Not all users are here to download mods. Some are here to post questions and find answers and in some cases post answers like I usually do. Surely this site is not all about downloading mods but in most cases posting/browsing.

I know this site will never be responsive. But I just can't understand the justification of "no users will download mods from a mobile phone" as a reason of not making this site not responsive.

[CarpCharacin]

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/external/2016/11/5.gif

[In Omnibus]

I know this site will never be responsive. But I just can't understand the justification of "no users will download mods from a mobile phone" as a reason of not making this site not responsive.

I don't want to put words into anyone's mouth but I understand the number of regular users of this site being able to be counted on two hands as a justification.

If the site had thousands or even hundreds of active users, meaning people who do more than download and leave, I'd venture it would get more consideration.

As of right now you can count the number of active developers on one hand and the number of daily users who post on two. If they announced they were shuttering this site when vB4 is declared EOL I would not be surprised in the least.

[CarpCharacin]

They are going to shut this site down? :confused:

[nhawk]

They are going to shut this site down? :confused:

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/external/2016/11/7.jpg

[CarpCharacin]

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/external/2016/11/7.jpg

:down:

[Paul M]

*sigh*

[CarpCharacin]

*sigh*

What?

[nhawk]

What?

Did you see anyone say they are shutting this site down anywhere in this thread?

No... you saw someone speculate that they would not be surprised if it happened. There's a big difference.

[In Omnibus]

Did you see anyone say they are shutting this site down anywhere in this thread?

No... you saw someone speculate that they would not be surprised if it happened. There's a big difference.

Yes, to be clear, what I said was that if vBulletin closed this site (and presumably moved the add ons and modifications to vbulletin.com in the process) it wouldn't be surprising.

When there were thousands (or even hundreds) of active users consistently it made sense to have two separate sites to split the traffic bandwidth and server loads. With this little traffic, not so much.

Maintaining one site is less work than maintaining two, especially two with entirely different core software versions and structures.

It would also by default update this site and add a mobile version.

[RichieBoy67]

Regarding mobile.. This is what most of my clients sites look like. You can see here that almost 70% of all traffic is through mobile on the example I posted.

[CarpCharacin]

It is true and I am right.

[MarkFL]

I think everyone who has an opinion about this has expressed it, Paul has been clear about vBorg's stance, and so there's really no practical use letting the thread continue to go on.