Question - Any reason vb.org hasn't upgraded?

[John Diver]

Hey,

I haven't upgraded my sites - I like 3.8 - But because of spam Im thinking maybe upgrading would *hopefully* help.

Is there any reason vb.org hasnt upgraded?

[Dave]

They use a bunch of custom plugins which will have to be ported over to vBulletin 4.
Also I guess "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" is valid in this scenario.

[Dr.CustUmz]

vb.org actually in fact did just upgrade, they ran 3.6.x for the longest time and a couple weeks ago updated to 3.8.10, they stay with vb3 because it's the best (duh).

upgrading plugins... that is not the reason... they had to upgrade all sorts of plugins just to do the upgrade they just did. But I guess you'd have to hear that from an admin.

But IMO they stick with vb3 because its not bloated how vb4+ is, it's simple, its perfect. Regarding your spam issue install the plugin I linked to in your other thread, I was having the same issue, that product will block almost all spam =)

[Max Taxable]

Hey,

I haven't upgraded my sites - I like 3.8 - But because of spam Im thinking maybe upgrading would *hopefully* help.

Is there any reason vb.org hasnt upgraded?"Upgrading" doesn't improve spam problems.

[cabinweb]

Great forum for discussions.

[steviewonder44]

I just went back to vb 3.8.10 Beta 1 and its so much better than the bloated newer versions. Besides I save alot of bandwidth with it

[Dave]

The main reason why I use vB4 is because vB3 makes extensively use of tables, which makes it harder to customize the template and to give it a unique look. I can usually tell if a forum is using vB3 by one quick look.

[MarkFL]

The main reason why I use vB4 is because vB3 makes extensively use of tables, which makes it harder to customize the template and to give it a unique look. I can usually tell if a forum is using vB3 by one quick look.

Yes, and with vB 4 you have elements with CSS classes which also makes customization much easier, whether you are adding CSS or adding a template hook you need on the fly. vB 4 stores more data in arrays, while vB 3 will return a wall of table related HTML...I much prefer the arrays.

Both version have their merits of course, but as a coder, I find vB 4.2.x to be easier to work with in many ways.

Dave, I think you are also correct about the reason vBorg has not upgrade to vB 4...porting the products/styles would be a nightmare. :)

[TheLastSuperman]

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=234458

#8.

Big ole' sticky thread too, it's right at the top of the forum in bold red font "Sticky" plus not to mention the title includes Read First.

Don't mind me, my wife always "gets me good" more so than me pointing out sticky threads so laugh AT me not with me on that one eh? ;) :cool:

[Paul M]

Is there any reason vb.org hasnt upgraded?
We upgraded to 3.8.10 (from 3.6.12) not long ago. That is the latest (vB3) version.

We have no plan or requirement to change from vB3.
It would be a massive task, not worth it when the site runs just fine on vB3.


(JFYI, it would make no difference to spam.)


The advice for upgrading is the same as its always been, only do it if there is a *real* need, not just for the sake of it.

[rinkrat]

Exactly now I feel about staying with VB 4.

[CarpCharacin]

you should upgrade to 5 and make it look like 3

[Replicant]

you should upgrade to 5 and make it look like 3

HAHAHAHAHA!...

[CarpCharacin]

HAHAHAHAHA!...

what is so funny?

[Paul M]

Why on earth would we do something like that, it would be completely poinless.

[CarpCharacin]

Why on earth would we do something like that, it would be completely poinless.

Because the style is good.

[Paul M]

So we would spend hundreds of hours converting all the modifications and tweaks to vB5 (not sure we could even do that) ..... hundeds of hours creating a style that looked like this, and numerous hours actually upgrading ... all for somthing that looks the same, and works [almost] the same, but likely runs slower.

I dont think anyone here is that insane. :erm:

[CarpCharacin]

vb5 is quick when it runs good.

[MarkFL]

vb5 is quick when it runs good.

For the sake of argument, let's assume speed isn't a factor...there are still these very important points:

So we would spend hundreds of hours converting all the modifications and tweaks to vB5 (not sure we could even do that) ..... hundreds of hours creating a style that looked like this, and numerous hours actually upgrading ... all for something that looks the same, and works [almost] the same...

[CarpCharacin]

sites need upgrades. You can let a site run for 57 million years just because it would take work to upgrade, but that site is outdated and needs to be upgraded.

[Max Taxable]

sites need upgrades. You can let a site run for 57 million years just because it would take work to upgrade, but that site is outdated and needs to be upgraded.Sites don't need "upgrades" just for sake of upgrading, either.

[CarpCharacin]

Sites don't need "upgrades" just for sake of upgrading, either.

they need upgrades to keep up with the times

[Paul M]

they need upgrades to keep up with the times
No they dont. Upgrading for the sake of it is a terrible plan.

[Max Taxable]

they need upgrades to keep up with the timesThat's a matter of subjective opinion. I'll stick to facts - I can name you many vBulletin boards - big ones - that are still running version 3.x and one that's even still on version 2.6!

It's silly to assume one must "upgrade" just for the sake of upgrading, and like Paul said it's also poor planning and strategy.

[RichieBoy67]

If the site is running smoothly and there are no compatibility issues with newer browsers and no security issues then I see no reason to upgrade.

[CarpCharacin]

That's a matter of subjective opinion. I'll stick to facts - I can name you many vBulletin boards - big ones - that are still running version 3.x and one that's even still on version 2.6!

It's silly to assume one must "upgrade" just for the sake of upgrading, and like Paul said it's also poor planning and strategy.

What one is still running 2.6?

[Max Taxable]

What one is still running 2.6?It's actually 2.2.9

http://forums.somethingawful.com/


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[Replicant]

It's actually 2.2.9


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Those stats are impressive. The site runs fast too.

[Max Taxable]

Those stats are impressive. The site runs fast too.Greasy fast like vBulletin used to be.

[Paul M]

It might be labelled 2.2.9, but I would image the code is heavily modified by now.

[Replicant]

It might be labelled 2.2.9, but I would image the code is heavily modified by now.

Hmmmm, kind of like vbulletin.org?

[Max Taxable]

It might be labelled 2.2.9, but I would image the code is heavily modified by now.Not nearly as much as one might assume. It's not just a label.

[CarpCharacin]

Is the future of vbulletin bright or dark?

[MarkFL]

Is the future of vbulletin bright or dark?

Start developing and uploading them killer must have products, and it can only get brighter. :eek::D:up:

[CarpCharacin]

It should be upgraded.

[Paul M]

Hmmmm, kind of like vbulletin.org?
Actually, no, there are only three actual php file edits, and one js file edit (which can be got rid of, I just havent done so).
All the customisations are via the custom style (i.e. templates), plugins and three additional vb.org specific files


It should be upgraded.
It ?

If you are talking about vb.org then no, it should not.
The only upgrade in the next 12 months is likely to be a switch to vB 3.8.11.

[CarpCharacin]

Actually, no, there are only three actual php file edits, and one js file edit (which can be got rid of, I just havent done so).
All the customisations are via the custom style (i.e. templates), plugins and three additional vb.org specific files



It ?

If you are talking about vb.org then no, it should not.
The only upgrade in the next 12 months is likely to be a switch to vB 3.8.11.

why were you running 3.6 and how did you get a 3.6 style to work on 3.8? Why didn't you upgrade to 3.7?

[Paul M]

1. Read the forums and you will find the answer to your first question.

2. Why would we bother upgrading to 3.7 and not 3.8, that would be pointless.

TBH, Im not really sure why you seem so fixated on what version we run here.

[blind-eddie]

Sorry, I had to....


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[Max Taxable]

how did you get a 3.6 style to work on 3.8?Umm, that's not really very hard to do at all.

[Dave]

Is the future of vbulletin bright or dark?

That's in the hands of the developers of vBulletin... although their hands are probably tied behind their backs by the ones up higher.

[Max Taxable]

It should be upgraded.90 percent of rank and file users don't care if a site is the latest greatest version or not, they don't care if it's "kept up with the times" and they don't really care how it looks either. They care if:

1.) It loads fast and works well.
2.) It loads fast and works well.

Somethingawful dot com routinely has 5000-plus users logged on and posting at any given moment. Its users don't give a red rat's ass that it's a really old version of vBulletin. I can list at least a half dozen other such sites which aren't upgraded and are really really big busy boards.

The "need" to upgrade is a myth.

[Elixar]

This might sound weird, but there are times to where I appreciate a forum that uses an older version.

[CarpCharacin]

This might sound weird, but there are times to where I appreciate a forum that uses an older version.

that is rather strange. :confused::confused::confused::confused:

[Gio~Logist]

It's actually 2.2.9

http://forums.somethingawful.com/


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Haha nice find.

[Elixar]

that is rather strange. :confused::confused::confused::confused:

Why?

[Max Taxable]

Haha nice find.I'm a waaaaay back, long time member.:D

[CarpCharacin]

Why?

modern is good and nice

[Replicant]

modern is good and nice

Not if it alienates the users who are used to the interface. Modern is good for a new site but not for one this well established.

[darnoldy]

I have always wished that this site could have a function similar to CSS Zen Garden, and offer some cutting-edge skins as options to members—to show what can be done with the templating system.

[CarpCharacin]

Not if it alienates the users who are used to the interface. Modern is good for a new site but not for one this well established.

So a large site that is running vb1 should not upgrade?

[In Omnibus]

So a large site that is running vb1 should not upgrade?

Strawman argument. There are no large sites running vB 1.0.

[Max Taxable]

So a large site that is running vb1 should not upgrade?It's hard for me to wrap my mind around someone intelligent not understanding the point. The POINT is, "upgrading" just for the sake of upgrading isn't a valid strategy, and is demonstrably not necessary. There's no compelling reason for it. "Modern is good and nice" is not a compelling reason, and it's not even accurate. "Modern" is slow, clunky and bloated.

Now, if you're in the forum hobby just to please yourself and really aren't concerned for your membership, upgrading willy-nilly just to satisfy your ego is all well and good.

[darnoldy]

Almost all of the "not modern" stuff is in the presentation layer. Reworking the templates (still not a trivial task) could modernize the site without upgrading either the underlying engine or the database.

[Paul M]

I think thats enough of this pointless going round in circles.

The original question was answered long ago. Thread Closed.