Any good VPS for vbulletin site?

[webmastersun]

Hello

Can you suggest me any best VPS for vbulletin cms?
which requirements should I go with?

Thanks

[Dave]

The requirements totally depends on the amount of visitors and what kind of plugins you are running. Memory is usually the biggest factor and typically, 1-2GB of memory should be enough.

[Zachery]

Why do you need to be on a VPS, why do you want to be on a VPS?

[Dave]

Why do you need to be on a VPS, why do you want to be on a VPS?

Even if you have a low budget, it's not hard to find a cheap good working VPS these days for almost the same amount of money. Personally, I would even go for a VPS when I need to host a low traffic site, just because it's safer and I have much more control over my resources and installation. On a shared website host, I can not guarantee the safety of the website.

If the user however doesn't care about the resources and/or restrictions and the safety aspects of a shared webhost vs a VPS, then a shared webhost would be fine.

[Disco_Dave]

<a href="http://www.1and1.co.uk/virtual-server?ac=OM.UK.UKi87K255264T7073a" target="_blank">http://www.1and1.co.uk/virtual-serve...7K255264T7073a</a>

[Zachery]

Even if you have a low budget, it's not hard to find a cheap good working VPS these days for almost the same amount of money. Personally, I would even go for a VPS when I need to host a low traffic site, just because it's safer and I have much more control over my resources and installation. On a shared website host, I can not guarantee the safety of the website.

If the user however doesn't care about the resources and/or restrictions and the safety aspects of a shared webhost vs a VPS, then a shared webhost would be fine.
IF I have a low budget, I probably do not have the time or expertise to spend managing the VPS, which is HUGE portion of running your own server.

Are you going to do everything by hand? PHP/MySQL updates? Are you going to have a control panel? Who is going to manage your DNS? You, your webhost?
How are you going to secure your server?
Are you okay with working on the command line?
Can you deal with an unmanaged vps?


VPS's, especially unmanaged ones, without control panels (only way its going to be _cheap_) are not safe or secure.

[webmastersun]

The requirements totally depends on the amount of visitors and what kind of plugins you are running. Memory is usually the biggest factor and typically, 1-2GB of memory should be enough.
I'm going to update hosting, just curious a bit about 2 GB memory then site can load how many users online all the time?

[Dave]

IF I have a low budget, I probably do not have the time or expertise to spend managing the VPS, which is HUGE portion of running your own server.

Are you going to do everything by hand? PHP/MySQL updates? Are you going to have a control panel? Who is going to manage your DNS? You, your webhost?
How are you going to secure your server?
Are you okay with working on the command line?
Can you deal with an unmanaged vps?


VPS's, especially unmanaged ones, without control panels (only way its going to be _cheap_) are not safe or secure.

Of course you need experience to set everything up and secure the environment.

I disagree with your statement that an unmanaged VPS is not safe or secure, this totally depends on who is going to manage it, even with a low budget. Now you make it seem that no matter what, it's unsafe and/or insecure.

I'm going to update hosting, just curious a bit about 2 GB memory then site can load how many users online all the time?

That's not easy to say, this depends on your configuration and resources.

[Zachery]

So, we have to step back and realize that the vast majorirty of vBulletin Administrators are not system administrators, or Linux gurus. You can't even assume that they know what SSH or the shell is, let alone how to do things in it.

More often than not, if someone is asking what the best X is at anything, such as webhosting, they're probably already in over their heads.

Its up to us to guide them to what they need. We should NOT sugar coat that running a server and administrating it properly can be a full time job.

Which is why my questions were important.

Are you going to do everything by hand? PHP/MySQL updates? Are you going to have a control panel? Who is going to manage your DNS? You, your webhost?
How are you going to secure your server?
Are you okay with working on the command line?
Can you deal with an unmanaged vps?

I can add to that, what is your budget? What is your traffic? How many users are online on average? ARe you running a lot of addons? Which addons?

[Max Taxable]

Most people think they need a VPS because they heard it was cool, and that's the limit of their knowledge. In most cases, you DON'T need it.

[RichieBoy67]

Also, the term "Virtual" comes to mind. You are still on a shared server but it usually means that you just have your own ip address.

[Zachery]

Also, the term "Virtual" comes to mind. You are still on a shared server but it usually means that you just have your own ip address.

Getting into a virtualized environment is not childs play, and would require a serious level of a dedication from the host level. At that point, they probably don't care about your node.

A VPS should be a set of resources that are setup for you, to use on your own. In some cases this is 1 or more CPU cores, and dedicated bits of ram/HDD storage.

Its not the same as shared hosting.

I'd personally OPT for a VPS over a dedicated server, until I really needed those dedicated resources.

Most VPS's will give you better specs than a dedicated server, up to a point.

[RichieBoy67]

Getting into a virtualized environment is not childs play, and would require a serious level of a dedication from the host level. At that point, they probably don't care about your node.

A VPS should be a set of resources that are setup for you, to use on your own. In some cases this is 1 or more CPU cores, and dedicated bits of ram/HDD storage.

Its not the same as shared hosting.

I'd personally OPT for a VPS over a dedicated server, until I really needed those dedicated resources.

Most VPS's will give you better specs than a dedicated server, up to a point.

Many if not most lower end hosts use "VPS" as a marketing ploy. Sure you may have some very high limits on your specs but you are still on a large server being shared by many other people. We are not talking about a cloud server here.. A cloud server is often better than a dedicated in terms of specs but not a vps at least none that I have worked with. Many claim to have higher limits but again, those seem to be more about selling the service than actually what you get and those are usually limits not always readily available.

I would agree with you about sticking with a vps or lower until needed as a dedicated server is much more expensive.

I set one of my own dedicated servers up for VPS for clients and I can set many specs for them but still if I do something very resource heavy on the server all the sites are impacted no matter what there specs are set too. This happens on most vps servers because they still need to make money so they need to get many sites onto those servers. Especially the very cheap ones. If they are only charging a few bucks a month just figure they are making the money in quantity and not quality.

[TheLastSuperman]

Geesh you guys and your thoughts that tend to clash just KISS (keep it simple stupid) posts like these :p.

To sum it up webmastersun:


If you can manage your own VPS server then acquire a low cost/low budget VPS and enjoy.
If you cannot manage your own VPS server HOWEVER have someone more than qualified to do the job then still look for and acquire a low cost/low budget VPS and enjoy.
If you have no on earthly clue what you're doing, have no one hired nor a friend that can help then you may want to pay a bit more for a managed VPS from HostGator/1and1/Bluehost/URLJet/Other host.


These links are very helpful in regards to feedback from other vBulletin owners regarding hosting options:


http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forum/general/vbulletin-hosting-options
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forum/general/vbulletin-hosting-options/21955-host-experiences-and-testimonials-thread

[RichieBoy67]

No clashing bro. Zach is one of my favorites on this site. :)
We are just providing the details and our opinions so the op can make up his own mind.

[TheLastSuperman]

Clashing thoughts are ok arguing is not so why I said it was a (simple) clash of ideas on a subject. If someone was looking for a quick simple answer we've surely made them do a double-take when all we had to do was provide a few links then let them read up and decide for themselves :cool:.

[RichieBoy67]

Nothing wrong with a double take.. good for the neck.

Plus, I want to warn people not to jump so quickly when getting a vps. I have dealt with crappy ones so many times that I would rather have people really do a double take then jump.

Plus, why do things simply when we can make things over complicated? If we simplify things too much around here this site will be dead. :)

[webmastersun]

Geesh you guys and your thoughts that tend to clash just KISS (keep it simple stupid) posts like these :p.

To sum it up webmastersun:


If you can manage your own VPS server then acquire a low cost/low budget VPS and enjoy.
If you cannot manage your own VPS server HOWEVER have someone more than qualified to do the job then still look for and acquire a low cost/low budget VPS and enjoy.
If you have no on earthly clue what you're doing, have no one hired nor a friend that can help then you may want to pay a bit more for a managed VPS from HostGator/1and1/Bluehost/URLJet/Other host.



Cool!
I agree with your suggestions
Just having a additional question: which are advantages of VPS over shared hosting?
Speed, CPU usage, Ram...or something else?
I'm not quite clear about problem above

[AusPhotography]

We use PhotoVPS -- very good a Xen based which is better than OpenVZ (Virtuozzo) in my experience

Kym

[Dave]

Cool!
I agree with your suggestions
Just having a additional question: which are advantages of VPS over shared hosting?
Speed, CPU usage, Ram...or something else?
I'm not quite clear about problem above

Some of the benefits:
- The VPS belongs to you, no one else will host on your VPS. However, there will be more VPS on the mother host of the VPS.
- More resources to yourself.
- You have your own IP address, you don't share it with others.
- No limitations software wise.
- Depending on what kind of VPS you choose, say cloud, you can upgrade or downgrade your hardware easily.

However, with a VPS, you need to set-up everything yourself. You need to install all software and secure everything by yourself. If you have no understanding of this like Zachery said, you need to hire someone to do all of it for you.

[Zachery]

Take a look at wiredtree, linode, and ASmallOrange, though I highly encourage you to answer my questions that I posted on the other page. A VPS might not be right for you.

[webmastersun]

Are you going to do everything by hand? PHP/MySQL updates? Are you going to have a control panel? Who is going to manage your DNS? You, your webhost?
How are you going to secure your server?
Are you okay with working on the command line?
Can you deal with an unmanaged vps?


VPS's, especially unmanaged ones, without control panels (only way its going to be _cheap_) are not safe or secure.
I bought a VPS 2 months for testing before make real things with it and after researched information to manage a VPS, I am quite understand to control a VPS without control panel, only working on command lines...point domain and move files from other host to my vps, config Apache, setup Php & Mysql, add vitural host, install some functions like phpmyadmin, mail server..etc
Cpanel is paid version and I'm not ready at this time, may be install it soon. I feel it's not difficult to manage a VPS, problem's only time :)