Private Message Quote Formatting

[kh99]

What is it?
----------------------------
This mod arranges quotes in a PM to be in a "conversational" order instead of being nested. This solves the problem of displaying deeply-nested quotes. This mod also has an option to add a date/time stamp to quoted PMs.

Note: I'm marking this "beta" because it hasn't been tested very much. If you try this, please let me know if you have any problems or would like it to work differently.

Also, I'm not much of an html/css person - this mod mostly provides variables which can be checked in the template, and a bare-bones css file. If anyone comes up with css for a better looking format and wants to share it, please do (and maybe I'll put it in a later version).

(vb3 version here: https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=292996)


Installation:

----------------------------
Just import the product XML file from the Product Manager. This doesn't change stored PMs in any way (unless you enable the date/time stamp - see below), so you can uninstall or disable the product at any time to go back to the original PM template.

If you'd like to customize the format, you can edit the kh99_pm_quote, kh99_pm_quote_bit, and/or the kh99_pm_quote.css templates.

If you want to add date/time tags to PM quotes, go to the adminCP options under "Private Messaging Options" and set "Add Date and Time to Quotes" to yes. Note that if you later uninstall this mod, any messages quoted while this option was on will still contain a date/time tag, but it will display after the name in a default format and timezone. If this is a concern, it's probably better that you don't enable this option.

Also note that the date/time option only adds the timestamp to newly quoted messages - it will not add one to quotes in existing messages.


History:
----------------------------
0.91 (Dec 22, 2012)
Fixed conflict with at least one mod that adds default text formmating
Fixed problem with html in pm notification email
Option to show only N newest quotes and hide the rest
Optional Date/Time tag added to quotes in PMs
Added enable/disable option for the entire product, in admincp
Templates are now cached

0.9 (Dec 14, 2012)
Initial Release

[da prez]

That nesting always drove me crazy.

Thanks

[Max Taxable]

Workable for 3.8.x by chance?

[kh99]

Workable for 3.8.x by chance?

This version definitely won't work. I'm not sure what it would take to make it work with vb3 - I'll take a look at it.

[Snowhog]

No file to download. Drat! Never mind. I see it.

[Gemma]

Most, most, most, most useful. The previous nested format was hideous.

[goxy63]

Installed, nominated, rated. Thank you for this

For me it is better than before, but its still "nesting" only in better way

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/1962/81915078.png

My forums have fixed widtht, maybe that is why or...?

Anyways, thanks, even like this saves much more space than before.

Cheers

[kh99]

Installed, nominated, rated. Thank you for this

For me it is better than before, but its still "nesting" only in better way

My forums have fixed widtht, maybe that is why or...?

Anyways, thanks, even like this saves much more space than before.

Cheers


I can't really see from that what's going on. One thing about this mod is that it only works like is shown in my screen grab if the PM has a series of quotes where the users just replied above or below any existing quotes. If you reply above *and* below, or split up the quote, then it will give up and go back to the original nesting for that part.

For some reason it doesn't look like it's working right in the image you posted, but like I said I can't really see why. Is every PM like that?

[goxy63]

Yes every pm is like that, all I did was just reply bellow existing tags in "Quick Reply" box. Not quite sure about my admin CP settings will check them out but I think nothing was touched there from default options.

Thank you

[kh99]

Hmm...do you know if you have your forum set to save the CSS as files? Try going to the Style Manager > Edit Templates > CSS Templates and edit kh99_pm_quote.css, then just put a space somewhere or something and save it, and see if that makes any difference. (I'm thinking maybe the CSS file doesn't exist after it's installed).

Edit: no, I tested that and that's not it. Could you reply to the PM and copy the message (with bbcodes showing), and PM it to me here? I want to check if there's something about the message format that is confusing my plugin. Also, what version of vb do you have?

[goxy63]

Found what is the problem just now, problem is if message txt is wrapped with tags, check message with bb codes bellow:

[COLOR="Black"]testing testingtesting testingtesting testingtesting testingtesting testingtesting testingtesting testingtesting testingtesting testingtesting testingtesting testingtesting testingtesting testingtesting testing

testing testingtesting testingtesting testingtesting testingtesting testing

testing testingtesting testingtesting testingtesting testingtesting testing

If no [COLOR] tags everything is just great :]

Thank you for your time

EDITED
I am using this mod, and this mod is setting users default txt color
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=231923

[kh99]

Ah, great. Thanks, I'll look in to that tomorrow (and let's hope that it doesn't break the whole thing).

[goxy63]

Just tested in many different ways with color and bold tags, when in mentioned mod default color is excluded everything is working fine. That is if user manually choose color or bold txt your mod is working just fine which means that this mod is making trouble
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=231923
Sorryz for problems, was thinkig its cause of your mod, probably I will just uninstall that mod as its not updated since 2010

Thank you for your time, cheers

[kh99]

Thanks. Yeah, I looked at it a little bit last night and came to the same conclusion - I'm not able to reproduce the problem no matter what I enter in the editor. At the same time, it doesn't look like that mod's doing anything wrong, it's just doing something different than what normally happens. So I'm still going to try to figure out a way to make it work. The biggest problem right now is my mod is a bit complicated, and I wrote most of it a couple months ago, now I don't remember how it works.

[jluerken]

Thanks kh99. Would be nice to add a "collapse" option so that only the last reply is completly visible and the rest is collapsed by default.
Should be an optional setting because I don't think everybody likes it.
For me this would be the option which makes this mod perfect ^^

[kh99]

I'll think about that. I had intended to have some different styles that were user-selectable, but finally decided that I'd never get it released if I tried to make it too complicated. :)

And as I mentioned in the description, if anyone wants to take a shot at improving the look of it, please do.

[justicechick]

I'll think about that. I had intended to have some different styles that were user-selectable, but finally decided that I'd never get it released if I tried to make it too complicated. :)

And as I mentioned in the description, if anyone wants to take a shot at improving the look of it, please do.

WOO HOO!! Works great in my 4.2 solved a issue I had lots of complaints about. THANKS

[tbworld]

Nice mod KH99. I bet you put a few hours in this one! :) I had thought about doing something with this part of private messaging, but every time I looked at the code ... well you know.

Thanks! :)

[kh99]

Nice mod KH99. I bet you put a few hours in this one! :) I had thought about doing something with this part of private messaging, but every time I looked at the code ... well you know.


Thanks. Yeah, it's not very much code but it did take a while to work it out.

[craigvm]

great mod m8.installed

[kh99]

Found what is the problem just now, problem is if message txt is wrapped with [COLOR] tags,


I am using this mod, and this mod is setting users default txt color
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=231923

Thanks kh99. Would be nice to add a "collapse" option so that only the last reply is completly visible and the rest is collapsed by default.
Should be an optional setting because I don't think everybody likes it.

New version addresses the above issues and a few others. Also has optional date/time stamp (which someone asked for in the vb3 version thread).

[kh99]

great mod m8.installed

Thanks. You missed the update by an hour or so - sorry for the inconvenience. :)

[sadiq6210]

Great mod :)

Kevin, could you put a screen shot to show the effect of this option?
"Add Date and Time to Quotes"

I set this option to yes but I cannot notice any change !

Thanks

[kh99]

I'll try to make a screen shot later. But I think the most likely reason you don't see anything is because it does not add date and time to existing messages, it only adds it to new messages.

[sadiq6210]

I think there is something wrong
In existing messages it is okay (I mean the quotes formatting not the date option)

But if I receive a new message and after reply, the another user will receive my message/reply without any quote !

Should I make anything to quote the previews message before send it ?

[kh99]

Hmm...you shouldn't have to do anything special. If you disable this mod, does the quote appear?

When you wrote your reply, did you notice if the message was in quote tags in your reply?

[sadiq6210]

If you disable this mod, does the quote appear?

Yes


When you wrote your reply, did you notice if the message was in quote tags in your reply?

No, the post box is empty when I reply even if I click the reply button below the message, the post box still empty !

[kh99]

Hmm...try this if you can: go to the Plugin Manager and disable the "PM Quote Formatting - Add Date/Time to Quote" plugin (uncheck the "Active" checkbox and press "Save Active Status" button at the bottom. See if that makes the quote appear in the reply box.

Edit: Actually, now that I think about it, that probably is no different than setting "Add Date and Time to Quotes" to no. When you set it to Yes, that chnages the way the quote tags are inserted in the reply box, and apparently that isn't working for you for some reason. What version of vbulletin do you have? What version of php? And is your site using a different language?

[sadiq6210]

Hmm...try this if you can: go to the Plugin Manager and disable the "PM Quote Formatting - Add Date/Time to Quote" plugin (uncheck the "Active" checkbox and press "Save Active Status" button at the bottom. See if that makes the quote appear in the reply box.

Edit: Actually, now that I think about it, that probably is no different than setting "Add Date and Time to Quotes" to no. When you set it to Yes, that chnages the way the quote tags are inserted in the reply box, and apparently that isn't working for you for some reason. What version of vbulletin do you have? What version of php? And is your site using a different language?

You are right Kevin
I changed the option "Add Date and Time to Quotes" to NO and it is working now.

I am using v4.1.12
PHP v5.2.17
Arabic language RTL (I already modified the template "kh99_pm_quote.css" and changed all (left) to (right)

Thanks

[da prez]

I have the same issue.

Reply box is empty when clicking reply to message.
Only happens when add date and time is set to yes.

[kh99]

You are right Kevin
I changed the option "Add Date and Time to Quotes" to NO and it is working now.


I have the same issue.

Reply box is empty when clicking reply to message.
Only happens when add date and time is set to yes.


Thanks for that information. It turns out that the product xml file is missing a template. I've fixed it (as of the time of this post), so you can download the 0.91 zip file again, or if you want to create the template yourself, it's named kh99_newpm_quote and has only 1 line that looks like this:

{vb:raw pagetext}


Sorry about that, and thanks for working with me to figure it out.

[sadiq6210]

Now it is perfect :) Thanks Kevin

Just a suggestion
It will be great if you can make two different quote background

for example
User 1 >> His quotes will appear in red background
User 2 >> His quotes will appear in blue background

Something like "WHATS Application"

What do you think Kevin? :)

[kh99]

Now it is perfect :) Thanks Kevin

Just a suggestion
It will be great if you can make two different quote background

for example
User 1 >> His quotes will appear in red background
User 2 >> His quotes will appear in blue background

Something like WHATS UP application

What do you think Kevin? :)


You can do that yourself if you want. In the css file, the class kh99_quote_mine will be applied to your messages, and kh99_quote_sender will apply to the person who sent the message. There is also kh99_quote_1 - kh99_quote_5 which can be used in a similar way to set the background color for up to 5 different quoted users.

As I mentioned in the mod description, I'm more of a programmer than a design person, so my intention was to provide the variables so that people could format it the way they like. Maybe if someone comes up with a nice looking display they can share the ccs and or templates here. It would also to be nice to have the look selectable (possibly by each user), but I probably won't do that unless it seems like people want it. If anyone has any ideas along these lines, please share them.

[sadiq6210]

You can do that yourself if you want. In the css file, the class kh99_quote_mine will be applied to your messages, and kh99_quote_sender will apply to the person who sent the message. There is also kh99_quote_1 - kh99_quote_5 which can be used in a similar way to set the background color for up to 5 different quoted users.

As I mentioned in the mod description, I'm more of a programmer than a design person, so my intention was to provide the variables so that people could format it the way they like. Maybe if someone comes up with a nice looking display they can share the ccs and or templates here. It would also to be nice to have the look selectable (possibly by each user), but I probably won't do that unless it seems like people want it. If anyone has any ideas along these lines, please share them.

Thanks, this is exactly what I need

I will make new appearance and share it here :)

BRB

[Gemma]

Thanks for the update :)

[sadiq6210]

Thanks, this is exactly what I need

I will make new appearance and share it here :)

BRB

BEFORE:

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=142874&d=1355445160


AFTER:

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=143002&stc=1&d=1356291559

How?
1- Download the attached file and upload it to image folder.

2- Open template "kh99_pm_quote.css" and replace it all with:

@charset "UTF-8";
/* CSS Document */

.kh99_quote_container
{
/* Applies to every quote */
padding-right: 20px;
}

.kh99_quote
{
/* Applies to every quote */
border: 1px solid #417394;
border-radius: 5px 5px 5px 5px;
padding: 4px 10px;
}

.kh99_quote_hide
{
/* Applies to "show older messages" line */
font:normal 11px Tahoma,Calibri,Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;
margin-left:25px;
padding-bottom: 10px;
}


.kh99_quote_mine
{
/* Applies to quotes from user readin PM */
border: 1px solid #B5E192;
background: url("images/gradients/category-23px-light.png") repeat-x scroll center top #EDF3E5;
}

.kh99_quote_sender
{
/* Applies to quotes from user who sent PM */
border: 1px solid #DBD6D2;
background: url("images/gradients/category-23px-light.png") repeat-x scroll center top #F8F8F8;
}

.kh99_quote_odd
{
/* Odd number quotes (first message in series is 'even') */
margin-left:50px;
}

.kh99_quote_even
{
/* Even number quotes (first message in series is 'even') */
margin-left:25px;
}

.kh99_quote_1
{
/* First quoted user (affects all subsequent quotes by this user) */
}

.kh99_quote_2
{
/* Second quoted user */
}

.kh99_quote_3
{
/* Third quoted user */
}

.kh99_quote_4
{
/* Fourth quoted user */
}

.kh99_quote_5
{
/* Fifth quoted user */
}

[goxy63]

Hi

Looks like there is another problem when it comes to email notification about new PM for users.
That is, if user receives new pm without quotes its ok, with quotes he gets email notification like this:

THIS is message:
***************
<!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: kh99_pm_quote -->
<div class="kh99_quote_container">

<div class="kh99_quote kh99_quote_mine kh99_quote_even kh99_quote_0">
<div class="bbcode_postedby">
<img src="images/misc/quote_icon.png" alt="Quote" /> Quote member <strong>testmember</strong>

</div>
<div class="message">wddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd dddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd ddd</div>
</div><br />

<div class="kh99_quote kh99_quote_odd kh99_quote_1">
<div class="bbcode_postedby">
<img src="images/misc/quote_icon.png" alt="Quote" /> Quote member <strong>Administrator</strong>

</div>
<div class="message"><quote>bla bla bla da da da da da d aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa</div>
</div><br />

</div>
<!-- END TEMPLATE: kh99_pm_quote -->ahhahhahahahah bla bvla bla
***************

[kh99]

Hi

Looks like there is another problem when it comes to email notification about new PM for users.
That is, if user receives new pm without quotes its ok, with quotes he gets email notification like this:


What version of this mod do you have installed? The problem you mention was in the original version, but I thought it had been fixed in version 0.91. (Edit: it looks like you've only downloaded 0.9, so maybe you just need to upgrade).

[vicius_the_one]

mine not working too....

[kh99]

mine not working too....

Are you saying that you have the same problem with PM emails? Or do you have a different problem?

[vicius_the_one]

I can't see PM's as conversation at all .

[kh99]

I can't see PM's as conversation at all .

Hmm...I'm not sure what to tell you about that. If you give me a list of products you have installed I can try to figure out if one of them is conflicting with this one (you can send it by Pm if you'd rather).

[rcsparks]

Thank you for a great mod :) MUCH Neater!

[goxy63]

What version of this mod do you have installed? The problem you mention was in the original version, but I thought it had been fixed in version 0.91. (Edit: it looks like you've only downloaded 0.9, so maybe you just need to upgrade).

yes thats it, all perfect now
thanks for great mod :]

[kh99]

FYI, I've decided to set this to "reusable", if anyone wants to reuse the code for any reason.

[sticky]

Installed and working great! Awesome mod.

[Mickie D]

This is excellent mate... well done, I just installed it on my forum and I am about to nominate this!

Mick

[sticky]

Hi kh99, small problem with the mod. The PM e-mail notification now is formatted incorrectly. Any idea why?

[Liff]

This is awesome - Exactly what I was asking for a while back and it's delivered way above expectation - Thanks very much kh99 :)

One thing - Is it possible to amend it so that your part in convo's are white and the replies are blue or whatever (colours replaceable depending on the theme you're using) or is that just silly?

[kh99]

Hi kh99, small problem with the mod. The PM e-mail notification now is formatted incorrectly. Any idea why?

Are you using the latest version? That was a problem with the original release but I believe it's been fixed with the latest update.

[kh99]

One thing - Is it possible to amend it so that your part in convo's are white and the replies are blue or whatever (colours replaceable depending on the theme you're using) or is that just silly?


You can do that. If you look in the kh99_pm_quote.css template (under CSS Templates), you can see there are classes for different cases like that. So you can set a backgroud-color for .kh99_quote_mine and another for .kh99_quote_sender (or maybe .kh99_quote, which will apply to all others).

I'm not really a theme person, so one thing I'm not sure about is what happens if you modify the templates then go to upgrade (I suppose I could just try it an dfind out). It might be a better idea to put the CSS changes you want in additional.css since I know that never gets overwritten.

[Liff]

Cheers, kh :)

I'll play about with that later and post a screenshot in case anyone else is interested :)

[moonclamp]

Is there any easy or known way to hide the quoted text in the input field?

In other words, display the entire conversation Facebook/Ajax style?

Apart from that, cool addon - thank you :)

[kh99]

Is there any easy or known way to hide the quoted text in the input field?

In other words, display the entire conversation Facebook/Ajax style?


I don't understand - I'm afraid you'll have to explain it to me like I'm a complete idiot, maybe with pictures :).

[mitch84]

thank you, great mod, installed & nominated!

[joeychgo]

Anyway to move the quoted text down in the reply box so members dont respond in the middle of a previous message?

[kh99]

Anyway to move the quoted text down in the reply box so members dont respond in the middle of a previous message?

I answered that in the vb3 thread: https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showpost.php?p=2408041&postcount=59

[elfenny]

installed, thanks

[scoutz]

Just what I was looking for, and for so long! :D

This mod was really promising and it's got a very good idea and coding.

There is just one bug, it kind of eats some of the replies and then the quotes lose formatting sometimes.

Has anyone else reported this? I wonder if it's because of any other mod I have of if it's this mod specifically.

[Kat-2]

Great mod! Straightened my PM problems right up. Thanks.

[CAG CheechDogg]

Good stuff kh99...working like a charm!!!! I ran into this by accident lol ....

[Gadget_Guy]

Just installed and having some issues.

1) It is not doing anything for the formatting of the PMs

2) It is not actually showing as "installed" in my list of Plugins/Products although it does go through the sequence of 'installing'

I am on 4.2.2

Is it possible that it isn't actually installing?

How can I check to see if it installed and if so (since it might not be working) make sure it is properly uninstalled?

Thanks,

D.

[Gadget_Guy]

FWIW... I have the kh99 templates in my styles.

D.

[kh99]

Hmm...if you have the templates but it's not showing up as an installed product, then maybe an error happened during installation. I'll take a look when I get a chance, and see if I can make a guess at what it might be.

[Gadget_Guy]

I just re-imported the XML and it is showing up in the list of installed products now. (YAY)

but it is still not changing the look of my PMs

Odd.

D.

[kh99]

OK, there's no install code in that mod, so I don't know why it doesn't install. Are you positive that it isn't showing up? It should show up in the Installed Products as "Private Message Quote Formatting" (I didn't put [kh99] in the title of that one).

Anyway, if you want to make sure things are cleaned up, go to the Plugin Manager and look for a section labeled "Product : Private Message Quote Formatting". If it's there you can delete those plugins.

Also in Search in Templates, Search for kh99_pm, and click "Search in Titles Only". This product installs two template, called kh99_pm_quote.css and kh99_pm_quote.

Same in Search in Phrases, search for kh99_pm and "Phrase Variable Name Only".

That should be it.

FWIW I just tried installing it on vb4.2.2pl1 and it seems to install OK.

[Gadget_Guy]

OK, there's no install code in that mod, so I don't know why it doesn't install. Are you positive that it isn't showing up? It should show up in the Installed Products as "Private Message Quote Formatting" (I didn't put [kh99] in the title of that one).

Anyway, if you want to make sure things are cleaned up, go to the Plugin Manager and look for a section labeled "Product : Private Message Quote Formatting". If it's there you can delete those plugins.

Also in Search in Templates, Search for kh99_pm, and click "Search in Titles Only". This product installs two template, called kh99_pm_quote.css and kh99_pm_quote.

Same in Search in Phrases, search for kh99_pm and "Phrase Variable Name Only".

That should be it.

FWIW I just tried installing it on vb4.2.2pl1 and it seems to install OK.

You may have missed my previous post.

It installed properly now, but doesn't seem to be functioning.

I wonder if it could be the "styles" that I am using and there being something over riding your templates.

Strange.

I am sure like most things, it's unique to my site and not a reflection on your work.



D.

[kh99]

OK, just saw your latest message (which I guess you posted while I was typing). Glad you got it installed, but I don't know why you don't see the effect. I'm assuming you looked at the screen grabs to see what it does - you'll only see the formatting in a message that has one or more quotes in it.

[kh99]

Strange.

I am sure like most things, it's unique to my site and not a reflection on your work.



D.

Yeah, that could be. I'll have to look at the code again and think about that.

[Gadget_Guy]

I did some back and forth PMing between my admin account and a user account I have setup for testing.

I see no change in how the PMs look from before to now.

D.

[kh99]

Hmm...I looked over the code and couldn't see why a custom style would make any difference, but I may have missed something. Do you have any other PM related mods installed? There could be a conflict with something else.

When you look at the bbcode for your pm, do the quotes look like ...

I'm sorry it's not working for you. I'd like to help you figure it out but the truth is that I can't think of why it wouldn't work.

...oh, I guess you could go to the Private Message Options in the settings and make sure the mod is enabled, but it should be enabled by default so I can't think why it wouldn't be.

[CAG CheechDogg]

I have a custom style and it's working ..did you make sure you set it to Yes enabled in the settings ....for some reason when I installed it the first time it didn't installed with the "yes" enabled on ...

[CAG CheechDogg]

...oh, I guess you could go to the Private Message Options in the settings and make sure the mod is enabled, but it should be enabled by default so I can't think why it wouldn't be.

This was my issue the first time I installed it kh99...weird right?

[kh99]

This was my issue the first time I installed it kh99...weird right?

That is strange. I just double checked the xml and it has a default of on, but who knows, maybe something's going on that I don't understand.

[Gadget_Guy]

It was on.

I turned it off, then on again... just to see.

I enabled the date/time thing and that is working.

I even changed all the execution times for the hooks to be "1" instead of "5"

The PM e-mail that is being sent is formatted differently than before so something is happening.

But the output on the site looks the same as before.

Attached are screen shots of my settings, all my installed plugins, and what my PM back and forth looks like.

D.

[kh99]

OK, the settings look good, and you're getting the date/time stamps so at least part of the mod is running. You have quite a few products installed so I'm afraid there isn't any way I'm going to be able to test all those. A couple of them have something to do with PMs but they don't sound like they should interfere. I see you have DBTech vB Optimise - I don't know what that does but I'll bet it touches a lot of things.

Still don't know.

BTW, it shouldn't change the way the PM emails are formatted. It had a problem with that in an earlier version but I put in a check so that the emails should be getting the default handling.

[Gadget_Guy]

Okay.

No worries.

I completely understand that my situation and setup may not be idea for the mod.

In no ways does it reflect poorly on you or the mod....

Keep up the good work.

D.

[Alan_SP]

Just to ask, did you flush cache in vBOptimise? This could affect mod not changing how PMs look.

[Gadget_Guy]

I did flush cache.

D.

[Alan_SP]

I took a look at mods you have, we have very similar setup. Of course there's difference. Can't tell why it doesn't work for you.

[kh99]

So you have it working with vBOptimise? That's good to know, we can eliminate that at least.

[Gadget_Guy]

It's probably something unique to my site.

D.

[Alan_SP]

So you have it working with vBOptimise?

I have free version of vBOptimise and he got pro, so maybe it's some pro option, if it is linked with vBOptimise.

[Gadget_Guy]

Appears to not be linked with VBO

I disabled VBO and it is still not formatting.

D.

[kh99]

Oh yeah, sorry, but I forgot about this. I'm going to look right now to see if there's some way to add some messages to help with debugging.

[IggyP]

good for me 4.2.5 and a ton of other mods without conflict thank you

[QSTR]

Hmm, nothing changed after installtion in 4.2.5 any ideas?
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