Difference between 4 and 5

[fanhockeycoach]

What is the difference between version 4 and version 5? If I upgrade are all the setting and plugins all upgrade as well or do I need to add them?

How much work is there in actually upgrading to the new version? Is it seamless is what I am getting down too?

[Gemma]

None of your current plugins will work with vB5.

vB5 beta is pretty buggy just now and will probably take a few builds after going gold to be ready for what many people will consider being worthy of upgrading to. Besides, you shouldn't be considering upgrading a live board with a beta version.

[Ted S]

Well said Gemma. It's really important that people understand that not only will their old mods / tweaks not work with vB 5.0 but also that for developers the code base is a major change and as such comes with a learning curve. If theres mods you can't live without ask before you upgrade or you may be stuck without them for some time.

[Lionel]

Not to mention that those who rely on CMS will have to deal without it for a while.

[kamran_dotnet]

does Vbulletin connect support has CMS and Blogs or we should buy another version of vbulletin 5?

[nhawk]

does Vbulletin connect support has CMS and Blogs or we should buy another version of vbulletin 5?

Currently it doesn't have the CMS. That will be added in a future release.

[BirdOPrey5]

There will only be 1 version of VB5, it will always be called VB5 Connect.

If you buy VB5 Connect now you will get access to whatever future version includes the CMS.

[ROTPAR]

Maybe i will install vb5 if vb6 is going to be released. After i saw the "Beta" Demo I was shocked. How can you show this to the Public? 800kb to load? Sorry but I think they should sell the Company to people who love real Development. If the story continues like that, I will move to another software...sad after so many years.

[Stubbed]

^-- Pretty sure lots of people were saying that about VB4 :)

[harm63]

when i see the demo i wonder if someone willinstall it.

it looks real messy not real friendly to see when you go there

maybe do something on design befor showing.

and programmer say it is real buggy so better not to install on running system. I am not allowed to do a update on seperated domain to test, so why upgrade?

[RSNF]

Always wondered why.....If it isn't broke "4.2" then why fix it? Now I am wondering why if you know it's already broke"VB5" why try to fix it? Unbelievable all the hype that went into the announcement about how happy they are to announce the release of vbulletin 5 connect and once I hit the demo......My goodness what a mess. All the best to those who actually go and buy their new license for vbulletin 5.......Overpriced and over hyped!!!

[BSMedia]

What is the difference between version 4 and version 5? If I upgrade are all the setting and plugins all upgrade as well or do I need to add them?

How much work is there in actually upgrading to the new version? Is it seamless is what I am getting down too?


vBulletin 4 has more features than vBulletin 5, and you wont lose all your search engine rankings.

[AlexanderT]

If you buy VB5 Connect now you will get access to whatever future version includes the CMS.
Unless the CMS is going to be postponed to vB6 due to unforeseeable circumstances. Mark my words. :)

[CoZmicShReddeR]

I purchased VB5 but am not going to switch over until the CMS is implemented or something is created here to mimic it... I plan on copying my current database over to test site later this week and see how it looks...

[TheSupportForum]

I purchased VB5 but am not going to switch over until the CMS is implemented or something is created here to mimic it... I plan on copying my current database over to test site later this week and see how it looks...

its not that simple, you will need to run the upgrade script as it converts the tables and moved them around, you will also need to insure that all plugins are disabled within the database and well as products as they are not compatible with VB5

the only thing i done was copy forum structure and post threads names

[conradk]

Although I am ok with the look, I agree that most people are interested in performance and page load efficiency, which could be fixed with a 4.3 Update. I would pay for that even though we have a license for the 4.x Suite. IMHO they should have called this a VB5 Preview, not a beta. Get people to move to the Preview and then charge them for the GM - ala Microsoft.

[PamelaE]

It would be good in a nutshell to know the benefits of Vbulletin 5.

Can someone explain the benefits of upgrading. I know it's a beta version so putting that to one side what are the benefits of the product.

[TheSupportForum]

It would be good in a nutshell to know the benefits of Vbulletin 5.

Can someone explain the benefits of upgrading. I know it's a beta version so putting that to one side what are the benefits of the product.

1) do not upgrade from vb4 - VB5 its still in beta and has bugs

a suggestion to install it in a folder like vb5demo
so you can test the features

[Shazz]

They jumped the gun pretty quick on vB5, the best results is to have users try it out and report back.
It's sad to see the poor conversion rate on vB4 mods.

[Flightbase]

What ever vb5 will look like in some month - i won`t buy it since i will still remember, how IB took "care" of vb4 issues/customers. they did just lie, pushing big man power to vb5 - and vb4 isn`t even finished or completed.
try acting like that in a small company - and you will just go broke.

in vb4 release times they had some small bonus. but now things have changed.
1. other software made big steps
2. customers don`t trust IB anymore
3. releasing such a crap like beta 10 - are you f*cking serious?
4. customers payed for things in vb4 they never got - why should they trust in IB, that everything will change and be better?
5. IB is running too much into facebook things. at least my boards are not supposed to look or be like facebook. i purchased a messageboard and a board+cms suite - not some facebook-clone.
6. in performance meanings i`m sad from time to time, that i upgraded to vb4. i really want my vb 3 back sometimes. now, who will honestly tell me, vb5 will be faster, more performant as vb4 is right now?

i could go on. sad but true.

greets, Nik

[TheSupportForum]

They jumped the gun pretty quick on vB5, the best results is to have users try it out and report back.
It's sad to see the poor conversion rate on vB4 mods.

VB5 was out for a long time btw, it was alpha before beta, staff also advertised alpha testers so no they didnt just their gun, VB5 had been n development for some time

[PamelaE]

1) do not upgrade from vb4 - VB5 its still in beta and has bugs

a suggestion to install it in a folder like vb5demo
so you can test the features

I'm not talking about the beta. I know about beta releases but I am expected to take advantage of a discount and yet nobody can tell me what the benefits are of it.

It seems a straight forward question. Not the benefits of the Beta but the benefits of VB5 as a product. Like someone at Apple can tell me why iPhone 5 is better than iPhone4.

Obviously the product has improved hence a new version but improved how?

What changes have been made that benefit me as a site owner in the current social media world and benefits the users?

[nam6641]

the difference between different vbulletin versions 3,4,5 are that whenever you upgrade the vbulletin, You get
1. More server load
2. Slower page Loads
3. Loses Search Engine Rankings each time you upgrade (vbulletin 3 has index.php as default page, vb4 has forum.php/content.php/activity.php as default pages, while vbulletin 5 make a mess for search engines by moving all pages to core directory and change the whole sitemap) And search engines needs to re-index all your pages again after upgrading to vb5. i have read about the two layers system for more security in vb5,i have a simple question that it is good for Search engine rankings to change the site structure so rapidly?
4. You get more new bugs after upgrading.
5. Every time vbulletin upgrades its script the coders have to learn code again from the scratch to make new mods or port old mods to run with new script.
So whats the benefit of buying a vb5. If there is any? please mention thanks,if there are some solid reasons behind the vb5 then i will have no hesitation in purchasing a vb5 license.And one more thing i have noticed that we can't customize the design and templates as we used to do in vb4. is that true?

[ThemeBone]

And one more thing i have noticed that we can't customize the design and templates as we used to do in vb4. is that true?

We can.

[nam6641]

We can.

can we add customize header easily to make the vb5 to look as the part of our site? that is what we can do easily in vb4, and i also noticed that there are so much less style vars in the styles of vb5.

[BirdOPrey5]

the difference between different vbulletin versions 3,4,5 are that whenever you upgrade the vbulletin, You get
1. More server load
2. Slower page Loads
3. Loses Search Engine Rankings each time you upgrade (vbulletin 3 has index.php as default page, vb4 has forum.php/content.php/activity.php as default pages, while vbulletin 5 make a mess for search engines by moving all pages to core directory and change the whole sitemap) And search engines needs to re-index all your pages again after upgrading to vb5. i have read about the two layers system for more security in vb5, i wan't to know is it good for rankings by changing the whole site structure?
4. You get more new bugs after upgrading.
5. Every time vbulletin upgrades its script the coders have to learn code again from the scratch to make new mods or port old mods to run with new script.
So whats the benefit of buying a vb5. If there is any? please mention thanks,if there are some solid reasons behind the vb5 then i will have no hesitation in purchasing a vb5 license.And one more thing i have noticed that we can't customize the design and templates as we used to do in vb4. is that true?

You appear to be misinformed on some of your statements.

3. The URLs will never have /core/ in them and all your old URLs will redirect correctly to the new URLs if you install vBulletin 5 in the same directory VB4 was installed in.

5. The upgrade from VB 3 to 3.5 added a hooks system so yes it was a new way of coding mods but the template syntax was the same. The upgrade from 3.x to 4.x had new template syntax but the back end (hooks) code was exactly the same as VB 3.x. In fact the majority of my mods work fine on 3.x or 4.x. The upgrade from 4.x to 5.x has removed the hooks system in favor of file extensions, so yes it is another big change, but the template syntax from 4.x works in 5.x, so that is something. There hasn't really be a release where everything changes.

1 & 2 - Remains to be seen when it is out of Beta
4 - This is true, but honestly expected- going to a new major version will always bring new bugs.

[nam6641]

You appear to be misinformed on some of your statements.

3. The URLs will never have /core/ in them and all your old URLs will redirect correctly to the new URLs if you install vBulletin 5 in the same directory VB4 was installed in.

5. The upgrade from VB 3 to 3.5 added a hooks system so yes it was a new way of coding mods but the template syntax was the same. The upgrade from 3.x to 4.x had new template syntax but the back end (hooks) code was exactly the same as VB 3.x. In fact the majority of my mods work fine on 3.x or 4.x. The upgrade from 4.x to 5.x has removed the hooks system in favor of file extensions, so yes it is another big change, but the template syntax from 4.x works in 5.x, so that is something. There hasn't really be a release where everything changes.

1 & 2 - Remains to be seen when it is out of Beta
4 - This is true, but honestly expected- going to a new major version will always bring new bugs.

Thanks for your detailed answer, hopefully i will give a try to vbulletin 5 when vbulletin 5 connect stable version will release. Just one more question please, i am thinking to purchase a vbulltetin 5 connect and will integrate it with my custom build php site, can i integrate vbulletin 5 seamlessly with site design? i am worried about vbulletin 5 header with site builder, that will create lot of problems for me when customizing it.

[BirdOPrey5]

vBulletin 5 is not designed to integrate with other software. Your ability to do so will depend on your ability to custom style both vBulletin and the other software to make it look like they belong together.

[temsamane]

will there be a vbulletin 4.3? or will vb4 not upgraded anymore?

[Justinw1970]

I have just installed VB5. Apart from the fact it took me about 12 hours to figure out a .htaccess conflict I will be using it on a fledgling live site. This is my first VB forum and to be honest I dont want to learn how to use 4 and then have to use 5.

I also like the responsiveness of it out of the box.... Not sure if there are responsive themes for 4, but anyway I will report back in a couple of weeks!

[vividbreeze]

Thats crazy that none of the plugins will work :/

[Lionel]

Granted, some bugs. But bottom line is this thing is going to be a monster.

[iyama]

Thats crazy that none of the plugins will work :/

I think there wil be not so many coders who make mods for VB5.
The are waiting till VB is going to be releasd and working 100%.
Buth if i see the list of bugs again, i dont think VB wil be 100% out befor eastern. :rolleyes:

[robbieswan]

Just installed it. I am so impressed with the picture upload function..At last, something easy to use.

[Ted S]

I think there wil be not so many coders who make mods for VB5.
The are waiting till VB is going to be releasd and working 100%.
Buth if i see the list of bugs again, i dont think VB wil be 100% out befor eastern. :rolleyes:

In time mods will move to vB5 just as they did with vB4 but perhaps slower. For developers it really comes down to two things: the amount of change required and corresponding demand.

When vB first announced 5 there was nothing created, nothing to referance and nothing to talk through but with early adopters that's starting to shift and there's a library of work to see and learn from.

However while vB4 required a template change which took some time but was overall an issue of remapping vB5 is a much different backend structure, much more formal and thus no small task, especially for a bigger mod. The vB of course team knew this would happen but sometimes you have to break things to improve them.

So until the demand spikes up from actual use it's just not likely to see a ton developed although it's encouraging to see what's already done.

[iyama]

Problem is coders make vb to a good product with there mods & addons. Not the vb team. ;)
If there where no good coders, there was no vb to sell.

Thats crazy that none of the plugins will work :/
Thats why i hate the release of vb5. Why not already started in vb4 with several things from vb5?
Why must all coders buy vb5 to make there mods & addons working in vb5?
I have several mods & addons on my site and afraid that several coders dont make a new one for vb5.
Yeah maybe end 2013! :( As vb5 is going to final.

And we are talking already moths of vb5 and his beta's.

[AFemaleProdigy]

After reading this, I am a little nervous about buying the new vb5. I have been using vb since it was a baby. I was not too thrilled when they changed the structure of the template system and introduced the replacement variable system. That took some getting used to. I am seeing a lot of complaints, but I wonder how many people are happy with it and just don't say so?

I have a new website to build with high expectations and while I would like to stick with what I know works and what I know will offer the most support and mods, I do not want to start building on something that may soon be outdated and obsolete. I would hate to get rolling with another vb4 site and find that the newer versions turn out to be much better. Too much work involved in upgrading when you customize like I do. Not to mention I am taking on a high rolling competitor who is using an older vB, so I want to be 10 steps ahead with the latest software.

I was poking around in the demo and did see there are some new features and changes in there. I would say anyone asking what the differences are should thoroughly test the demo. No way to really get an idea how it will perform with heavy traffic though.

I would also think that those upgrading will probably run into more bugs than those doing a clean install. Especially if their site has been customized and has plugins installed. Something to keep in mind when listening to people having trouble with the program. Wonder what the ratio of complaints on clean installs vs upgrades are?

I think I will bite the bullet and go for it. Fingers crossed. :erm:

[Christos Teriakis]

A photo is worth of 1,000 words. After reading the detailed documentation for Extentions, I'm ready to port my 20+ AddOns to vB5 Connect. hmm... Wrong naming. Must call it vB5 DISconnect :(

Chris

[Deriggs007]

Vb5 = vB4 re-written in a worse way. Not many features added and nothing will work like vB4.

Man, I sometimes wish XenForo wins the court cases....... THey're making it more difficult and difficult for us developers to actually do shit out side of the board then post on forums............................................ ......

[nhawk]

It's funny, I tend to remember very similar comments about vB 4 when it first came out.

But look now.. vB 4 has more mods than any other vB version!

Once coders understand what is going on, most will appreciate the changes and find it fairly easy to work with.

[Christos Teriakis]

Once true coders understand what is going on,

What is your meaning of "true coders"? First of all (in my opinion) there are Business coders (doing coding for living) and hobbist coders (having other income for living).
A Hobbist coder for sure can spend time for learning the new coding standards, becuse he does it for hobby. Has already an income for living.
A Business coder must makes some calculations. eg How long it will takes me to learn it? How wide is the potential market for my new work? etc etc.

But let's say that everybody can act as hobbist coder. Where is the documentation for new standars? If you say me "Open that file and see that...", sorry you're not a coder, you're a copier. I'm pround that having 30+ vB addons, I never opened a vB core file to see (or worst to copy) a single line of code. And I'll award anybody if he can find a single line of code in my mods which exists on vB core files. The only "copy" that maybe exists is from Articles published here. But not from vB files.

Chris

[nhawk]

I took out the word "true" from my post.

I'm not sure what I was thinking when I posted, but I'm certain it wasn't meant to offend anyone. But since it has, I apologize.

I really need to stop posting before I've had my first cup of coffee.

[mokujin]

vB5 dont use YUI anymore, it moved to jQuery :D

[eBasta]

seems it's going to take a bit of time for it to become something worth upgrading a live forum

[cellarius]

Edit: OK, next time I'll read the year of what I'm answering to...