vBulletin.com Forum Now Protected? [Archive]

Skyrider

10-22-2009, 04:38 PM

They are having technical problem with the upgrading process. It may have failed.
I was visiting it earlier when they started the upgrade and the forum is in debug mod and full of error message. Then 15 minutes later, they password it so people can't see the error.

I wonder if they failed and have to revert back to 3.8.4
Same, the only thing I saw was like a cache forum with debug enabled. They could have made a forward instead (like they have done when they started the maintenance) rather than password protect the whole forum.

LilPimp

10-22-2009, 04:41 PM

I thought u had to put ur customer license number and password but then i read this.. i guess we just gotta wait..

Skyrider

10-22-2009, 04:41 PM

I thought u had to put ur customer license number and password but then i read this.. i guess we just gotta wait..
Yea, I tried the same but it didn't work :p. I did contacted them about this though. Find it rather bad to password protect the whole forum which confused a lot of people. Forward to an URL or to a message that the forums are being worked on is much better. I find it rather unprofessional :-\. Of course they need to access the main forums but a forward on the main url should be the way to go.

Dflow75

10-22-2009, 04:46 PM

Oh I cant wait to view vB 4.0

Fynnon

10-22-2009, 04:50 PM

Is it "tomorow morning" already ? :O
Where are these guys located (so we can calculate the GMT)?

Andy

10-22-2009, 05:01 PM

Is it "tomorow morning" already ? :O
Where are these guys located (so we can calculate the GMT)?

They indicated PST. So should be up soon.

Floris

10-22-2009, 05:05 PM

We're chatting live with vborg/vbcom/ib staff and users in irc.vbirc.com / #chat (http://vbirc.com/chat/) - feel free to join. lynne - tnx for showing up there too btw, always cool to see you poke hand in air and go WhooHooo :D

GregK1947

10-22-2009, 05:36 PM

Not a very good start if IB can't even get the upgrade to work. Oh well, doesn't affect me or my forums so I'll just keep checking back with them. But, it would have been nice if, like one user stated, they had a maintenance screen up letting people know what is going on.

--------------- Added 1256237925 at 1256237925 ---------------

Ah ha! The have their maintenance screen back up so they must be making progress. Hopefully it won't be much longer.

adamdavidconn

10-22-2009, 06:21 PM

maintenance screen is now up, not very informative, but still a screen

Quantnet

10-22-2009, 06:27 PM

Lynne

10-22-2009, 06:33 PM

It's definitely not a positive experience for them as they struggle to upgrade. They mentioned that they have tested the upgrade with a copy of vb.com database and it went perfectly.
I can only pray that the first people to upgrade on their forums won't have anything go wrong.
Several of the alpha team members have done upgrades on test forums and things have gone smoothly. I heard the issue right now is a bit more complicated than just an upgrade.

scottct1

10-22-2009, 07:03 PM

Must be a really simple upgrade huh? ;)

Adrian Schneider

10-22-2009, 07:05 PM

It's definitely not a positive experience for them as they struggle to upgrade. They mentioned that they have tested the upgrade with a copy of vb.com database and it went perfectly.
I can only pray that the first people to upgrade on their forums won't have anything go wrong.
Agreed... doesn't make me too inclined to upgrade.

Though, I imagine their board is huge and has some modifications made to it which complicates things.

jmurrayhead

10-22-2009, 07:44 PM

You're basing your willingness to upgrade to 4.0 off of the first Beta?? :rolleyes:

yessir

10-22-2009, 07:47 PM

You're basing your willingness to upgrade to 4.0 off of the first Beta?? :rolleyes:
At this time, why not? Should we base it on a gold release that hasn't been created yet?

jmurrayhead

10-22-2009, 07:51 PM

At this time, why not? Should we base it on a gold release that hasn't been created yet?
Okay, so you're saying just because one test upgrade at vb.com on a beta went wrong, you don't want to upgrade your site at all? That's the impression I got from the post above mine and the post that person quoted. Doesn't make sense to me. It's beta software...sh!t happens.

scottct1

10-22-2009, 07:52 PM

You're basing your willingness to upgrade to 4.0 off of the first Beta?? :rolleyes:

And what about all the Alphas?

Its a bad sign when the company that makes the software cant upgrade its own site with its own software.

jmurrayhead

10-22-2009, 07:56 PM

And what about all the Alphas?

Its a bad sign when the company that makes the software cant upgrade its own site with its own software.
It's not considered stable yet, so I don't see it as a bad sign. It's still in development.

Mudcrutch

10-22-2009, 08:01 PM

For a while the link of the graphic was going to "the-best-forum.com" or something like that. odd.

darkblade25

10-22-2009, 08:01 PM

The forums are working now.

Nvm. It was for a second ago.

Mudcrutch

10-22-2009, 08:05 PM

Back to the password prompt. Uh oh.

Trevor Hannant

10-22-2009, 08:14 PM

That would suggest that it's up but they're doing some QAT on it before letting Joe Public loose on it again...

steven s

10-22-2009, 08:14 PM

They are damned if they do, damned if they don't.
People were expecting to see beta test sites and IB makes the decision to post their own beta. Good for them for throwing it out there.
Like I said, damned if they do, damned if they don't.

adamdavidconn

10-22-2009, 08:15 PM

thats means they are probably trying it again.

well, hopefully this time it will work.

Fynnon

10-22-2009, 08:25 PM

They had to make this update because you cant sell something people cant see in action !

johnrizz

10-22-2009, 08:32 PM

Yeah, well think again!

adamdavidconn

10-22-2009, 08:52 PM

maintenance redirect back up

i think its try #2

Trevor Hannant

10-22-2009, 08:57 PM

maintenance redirect back up

i think its try #2

2!? ;)

Bounce

10-22-2009, 10:17 PM

or try 22 :D

Ingenious

10-22-2009, 10:29 PM

Agree with the comment above "dammed if they do, dammed if they don't". Let's give them some slack, I'm looking forward to seeing this, and would rather see an early and possibly unstable release than wait months!

Link14716

10-22-2009, 10:44 PM

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Greetings all,

Well, we've had our share of excitement this morning, and since this thread was going on, I hope you don't mind my popping in to explain what's going on over at vb.com.

We decided to take some extra time before bringing the forums back up this morning after the upgrade to 4.0. Briefly, here's what happened.

First, the good news: The installation of 4.0 itself actually went as planned. The upgrade to 4.0 Publishing Suite from the 3.8.4 base product was seamless, and that agrees with the success the alpha/beta team has seen up to this point.

The issues we encountered were related to the fact that the instance of vB running on vBulletin.com has integration points with various business systems: administration, release management, ticket support, the product information site, and more. Cooler heads make better problem solvers, so we chose to investigate and solve the problems with the site offline rather than live to the world.

The issues we ran into are unique to our environment, and they are not things that would factor into a normal customer installation.

Our forums are actually up, running and stable now, but are only accessible to our internal staff. Given that this is such an important upgrade, we're taking our time and being careful, and we're planning on opening our forums back up tomorrow morning.
.

steven s

10-22-2009, 10:56 PM

Thanks, but I think posting on vb.org would have been more appropriate [for Ray].

Dave-ahfb

10-22-2009, 11:05 PM

I hate to insert common sense into an IB related concern, but I guess I am just bored. Do you think this means they may now extend the deadline past the 30th? nah, forget I asked.

I am going back to stare at the vb maintenance page, the one that shows the guy with his head stuck in the sand.

steven s

10-22-2009, 11:09 PM

Adrian Schneider

10-22-2009, 11:42 PM

You're basing your willingness to upgrade to 4.0 off of the first Beta?? :rolleyes:
Yes and no...

The sites I work with also integrate into other pieces of software or custom code. This actually a huge reason to hold off on upgrading, because these integration points are what will cause the real problems. I don't mind updating a style or a few plugins, but if all our custom coding fails because the code it's anchored to has changed or is gone, then we're up the creek if we jump to the latest version too early.

However, thorough testing and a good staging site can catch these problems. Sometimes a simple backup / test on the forums is not enough - you have to test the entire site and its suite of applications. This is another reason I'm a strong advocate of unit testing -- these kind of things can usually be caught at the flip of a switch (or pound of a button).

Also, there's no guarantee that these problems are truly unique to their set up. If the problem caught them, it can catch others with custom code too - it's impossible to say.

Knowing that the site is still down 8? hours later with the team that they have is VERY alarming. Hopefully this doesn't paint the picture for those upgrading a lot of custom code.

This is obviously an extreme view coming from a developer. This should not be an issue for the vast majority of other license holders. :)

jmurrayhead

10-23-2009, 12:12 AM

Yes and no...

The sites I work with also integrate into other pieces of software or custom code. This actually a huge reason to hold off on upgrading, because these integration points are what will cause the real problems. I don't mind updating a style or a few plugins, but if all our custom coding fails because the code it's anchored to has changed or is gone, then we're up the creek if we jump to the latest version too early.

However, thorough testing and a good staging site can catch these problems. Sometimes a simple backup / test on the forums is not enough - you have to test the entire site and its suite of applications. This is another reason I'm a strong advocate of unit testing -- these kind of things can usually be caught at the flip of a switch (or pound of a button).

Also, there's no guarantee that these problems are truly unique to their set up. If the problem caught them, it can catch others with custom code too - it's impossible to say.

Knowing that the site is still down 8? hours later with the team that they have is VERY alarming. Hopefully this doesn't paint the picture for those upgrading a lot of custom code.

This is obviously an extreme view coming from a developer. This should not be an issue for the vast majority of other license holders. :)
Perhaps I'm being misunderstood or I misunderstood the posters I replied to. I took their comments as they wouldn't upgrade their sites to 4.0 when the software was considered stable (this coming from the fact that nobody but the beta testers have access to the beta version). That's what it looked like to me. Of course I wouldn't upgrade my live site with a beta...but since IB isn't offering the beta to customers right now, that's not even an option anyway.

Guest0321

10-23-2009, 02:25 AM

The issues we encountered were related to the fact that the instance of vB running on vBulletin.com has integration points with various business systems: administration, release management, ticket support, the product information site, and more. Cooler heads make better problem solvers, so we chose to investigate and solve the problems with the site offline rather than live to the world.
So Ray and the new batch of developers didn't know this in advance? Woooooooo

edytwinky

10-23-2009, 04:32 AM

I anxiously await the morning!

firstimecaller

10-23-2009, 05:03 AM

Lots of chicken littles around :rolleyes:
Knowing that the site is still down 8? hours later with the team that they have is VERY alarming. perfect example. VERY alarming?

Xanlamin

10-23-2009, 05:14 AM

So Ray and the new batch of developers didn't know this in advance? Woooooooo

Especially since they first said they was not going to do anything with the suite on the vb.com site at all right now (as per this sites front page: https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/portal.php), they should have stuck with that statement and spent that time on what they said they was going to do in the first place and only upgrade the forums only.

Amazed how there "test" upgrade was fine when it "should" have contained the same aspects of there live site so they could test the upgrade correctly.

Spinball

10-23-2009, 05:47 AM

Though, I imagine their board is huge and has some modifications made to it which complicates things.

What, like very many vBulletin installations?
I've heard from an expert what their code looks like. NO WAY I am upgrading to 4.

beishe8

10-23-2009, 06:00 AM

and we're planning on opening our forums back up tomorrow morning.

Sorry guys for asking the question: What date and time is it?
Some US time? UK time?
On my place it is Friday, 23 October 2009 6:00 PM now.

Andreas

10-23-2009, 06:01 AM

California time most likely.

beishe8

10-23-2009, 06:02 AM

California time most likely.
Friday morning? Saturday?

Xanlamin

10-23-2009, 06:05 AM

Pacific Time (Caliifornia time) will be sometime Friday morning the 23rd when it will reopen.

agitated

10-23-2009, 06:07 AM

If you consider that they were not running any custom styles then it's not a good advert for vB4 IMHO. One is left wondering just how difficult it is going to be for our own boards, esp. with custom styles and modifications. :eek:

ChopSuey

10-23-2009, 06:09 AM

Sorry guys for asking the question: What date and time is it?
Some US time? UK time?
On my place it is Friday, 23 October 2009 6:00 PM now.

Thursday October 22 2009, 11:06PM
Alaska.

beishe8

10-23-2009, 06:15 AM

Thanks guys.

jalmz

10-23-2009, 06:30 AM

waiting mode... hehe

wii

10-23-2009, 06:54 AM

RCA

10-23-2009, 07:00 AM

Is very profesional upgrade a site without test and fix that upgrade under duplicated environment.
Since vb4 announcement seems they "do" before "think", just in reverse order that they should do.

Licenses, prices, features, update own site... what will be next?

Traxdata

10-23-2009, 07:03 AM

I cant understand why Ray posted on such an unknown website and not here or at least on vb.com? hello?

wii

10-23-2009, 07:12 AM

Maybe Ray doesn't even know about vBulletin.org - LOL, I wouldn't be suprised at this point.

Traxdata

10-23-2009, 07:15 AM

Maybe Ray doesn't even know about vBulletin.org - LOL, I wouldn't be suprised at this point.
Seriously, you can be right.

Trevor Hannant

10-23-2009, 07:15 AM

If the forums were up and running as said in that post, then posting in the announcements forum would have, I assume, lead to the announcement feeding through to the front page of this site?

Also very strange to see him talk of the Suite when, as pointed out earlier, they were only upgrading the forums.

This has done nothing to allay fears amongst users - if anything, it will make things worse for them on their own forums. Think I'll go hide over the weekend or be exceptionally selective in the forums I read over there for the next week (carnage is the word springing to mind at the moment)...

Michael2

10-23-2009, 07:30 AM

No more fear here. It is a beta after all. There's a reason not everyone has their hands on it.

craig5320

10-23-2009, 07:38 AM

Sales for their Installation service, just hit the floor... heh.

Still eager to see the site though.

Allan

10-23-2009, 07:52 AM

<a href="http://www.adminaddict.net/forum/general-community-discussion/jelsoft-little-stuck-themselves-4344/" target="_blank">http://www.adminaddict.net/forum/gen...emselves-4344/</a>

wii

10-23-2009, 09:06 AM

Yeah exactly, why post there and not here ?

Oh well....

golfing123

10-23-2009, 09:12 AM

How much longer until the vbulletin.com support forum is going to be back up and running

Trevor Hannant

10-23-2009, 09:32 AM

How much longer until the vbulletin.com support forum is going to be back up and running

According to the post made elsewhere, sometime in the next 8 hours...

wii

10-23-2009, 09:57 AM

Where did you read this ?

Michael2

10-23-2009, 10:23 AM

<a href="http://www.adminaddict.net/forum/general-community-discussion/jelsoft-little-stuck-themselves-4344/index7/#post51583" target="_blank">http://www.adminaddict.net/forum/gen...ex7/#post51583</a>

That just says sometime this morning. If the forum is up and stable like they say I would assume it'd be start of business, maybe 8-9am PT.

GiveMeABreak

10-23-2009, 10:35 AM

open forum - closed
now managed to shoot :D

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/external/2009/10/11.png

http://s43.radikal.ru/i102/0910/2f/6ce27b3e3204.jpg

Mandar Salvi

10-23-2009, 10:40 AM

Whoa looking great :)

rgf207

10-23-2009, 10:55 AM

Hmm, having the site down for so long is very unprofessional, I have no idea what's going at vBulletin, developers leaving at the same time, new management, new posting rules, new prices, og well, I just hope the new version is good.

Agreed. This is extremely unprofessional. You would think a company as large as IB would have known beforehand that the new installation would not seamlessly interact with their current system.

I'm an I.T. admin. If I upgraded a system at our office and took over 24 hours for what should be 1 to 2 hours I would be fired.

denman75

10-23-2009, 10:57 AM

looks good indeed
all the fuzz about the url and best software name ,well for years vb is a outstanding product
and will do so for many more years ,i just dont get it ,why some people like to see heads rolling .
those guys are proud on there product there using a funky url and so what !
there proud and so should we be ,they work hard enough for it :(

vauge

10-23-2009, 11:21 AM

all the fuzz about the url and best software name ,well for years vb is a outstanding product and will do so for many more years ,i just dont get it ,why some people like to see heads rolling .

I have used vB forum software for years. They set the standard for what can be done.

Lets look at the facts:
1. They boasted they have a better product coming which looks similar to IP product.
2. They ask us to purchase in *advance* a product we have never seen.
3. They are losing developers.
4. They stop the China group.
5. A "simple" upgrade has been down now for well over 24 hours.

This looks very bad for perception on the leadership. I am personally considering not upgrading. It makes me wonder if their core philosophy of quality over quantity has changed. There are other software for forums. Especially if I can no longer use 3.8 when my license "runs out". It also makes me wonder if the new product looks and feels like another product on the market if vB is actually innovating or simply re-skinning the old stuff.

I'm not trying to kick them while they are down, but that is my take.

Trevor Hannant

10-23-2009, 11:28 AM

Where did you read this ?

Based on the fact that they said 'the morning' - that allows them up to noon :)

Morsolo

10-23-2009, 11:31 AM

I have used vB forum software for years. They set the standard for what can be done.

Lets look at the facts:
1. They boasted they have a better product coming which looks similar to IP product.
2. They ask us to purchase in *advance* a product we have never seen.
3. They are losing developers.
4. They stop the China group.
5. A "simple" upgrade has been down now for well over 24 hours.

This looks very bad for perception on the leadership. I am personally considering not upgrading. It makes me wonder if their core philosophy of quality over quantity has changed. There are other software for forums. Especially if I can no longer use 3.8 when my license "runs out". It also makes me wonder if the new product looks and feels like another product on the market if vB is actually innovating or simply re-skinning the old stuff.

I'm not trying to kick them while they are down, but that is my take.

The problem is, there isn't really any alternatives...

I'm not so sure about IPB; and all the free ones are horrible...

Trevor Hannant

10-23-2009, 11:32 AM

It also makes me wonder if the new product looks and feels like another product on the market if vB is actually innovating or simply re-skinning the old stuff.

And my take is that the forums are getting re-skinned along with the start of the re-factoring of the entire codebase. Given the time it's taken to get this far without doing that, I'm glad that they're only doing what's necessary just now otherwise who knows when we'd get the fully re-worked suite.

vB4 is just the start of things - IMO, vB5 will be the first full new incarnation of the vB product.

WEBDosser

10-23-2009, 11:34 AM

seems a bit strange the site is not back yet, i hope they ain't done a runner.

Trevor Hannant

10-23-2009, 11:34 AM

The problem is, there isn't really any alternatives...

I'm not so sure about IPB; and all the free ones are horrible...

I agree. I had to use a free one on a site earlier this year as they wouldn't pay for one and it was crap. Crap to use, crap to style - you get what you pay for.

Floris

10-23-2009, 11:41 AM

Hey, that screenshot doens't have andrews blog post anymore

wacnstac

10-23-2009, 11:56 AM

Not looking good that it is taking vbulletin themselves so long to do an upgrade.

wii

10-23-2009, 11:58 AM

People will be even more pissed than they were before they started the upgrade, what is going at vBulletin ?

zappaDPJ

10-23-2009, 12:26 PM

Apologies in advance for posting here if it's considered inappropriate but we have an urgent support issue and can find no point of contact with vBulletin except for sales who have failed to respond in 24 hours.

Does anyone know if there's currently any way of contacting support?

Mr_Bob

10-23-2009, 12:28 PM

At this point I would motion to just give IB the benefit of the doubt. Yes, they should have tested the upgrade in an environment more closely resembling that which includes their customer management systems, but everyone makes mistakes. TBH, I'm much happier they ran into issues now and are actively working to fix them. Would all of you rather IB not run into issues and therefore potentially miss a major upgrade flaw just to pass that flaw down to you (if the flaw is indeed the software and not relating to their backend systems)?

Over the past few weeks I've seen boatloads of negativity towards IB for one reason or another, but honestly they're just trying to get the job done. They pushed releasing VB 4 to a live state earlier to alleviate customer worries and complaints; it's like there are some people here that make it so IB just can't win. If you all honestly think VB/IB has poor customer relations, take a gander over at Subdreamer and how they have been treating customers and their releases over the last few years; your opinion will change.

K, end of rant, had to get that out of my system :).

Does anyone know if there's currently any way of contacting support?
You can still log into the customer portal on vbulletin.com; just make a support ticket. That seems about the best way. Likely, they're a bit behind as a number of support requests that would appear on the forum can't at the present.

wii

10-23-2009, 12:28 PM

sales@vbulletin.com
support@vbulletin.com

TNCclubman

10-23-2009, 12:37 PM

scary part is they said they'd make a backup of everything and put that back up if they ran into trouble.

What happened to the backup?

zappaDPJ

10-23-2009, 12:37 PM

You can still log into the customer portal on vbulletin.com; just make a support ticket. That seems about the best way. Likely, they're a bit behind as a number of support requests that would appear on the forum can't at the present.

sales@vbulletin.com
support@vbulletin.com

Thank you.

BigDog56

10-23-2009, 12:45 PM

I just find it strange that an announcement... Or update was not posted here, but elsewhere, unless I'm missing something.

Floris

10-23-2009, 01:05 PM

I found that odd too. I understand if they use their official twitter, but vbcom frontpage can easily have a newsblock or vborg as announcement.

Hostboard

10-23-2009, 01:32 PM

I found that odd too. I understand if they use their official twitter, but vbcom frontpage can easily have a newsblock or vborg as announcement.

Almost as strange as posting an end of life for one of their products in a FAQ and not an announcement.

TNCclubman

10-23-2009, 02:09 PM

which product is EOL?

pipedreams

10-23-2009, 02:19 PM

which product is EOL?

Project Tools..

steven s

10-23-2009, 02:23 PM

Even on my small forum when I ran into a big problem, I created a static page and directed members to another one of my sites, created a special hidden section where only those with the link could either discuss or read updates on my progress.

It would have taken less effort for Ray to post here than to create a new login elsewhere.
I understand the need to reply, but if he replied here others would just direct people to vb.org to read his comments. If he is going to defend vB on every media outlet, then they better hire a lot more people.

I feel there are a lot of knee-jerk reactions by IB.

Zaiaku

10-23-2009, 02:24 PM

Definitely waiting to see what the new updates bring.

TNCclubman

10-23-2009, 02:33 PM

Why not run the upgrade on a duplicate copy of the board and leave the original in tact so people can use it?

Then when all goes well, just swap the folder names and go live with the upgraded version.

Dave-ahfb

10-23-2009, 02:44 PM

Wonders who will be next in charge of VB. Should we say good bye to him here or should we go to a third party forum to wish him well in all his future endeavors?

ComputerVitals

10-23-2009, 02:46 PM

Yup, thats what I do..

Create a 2nd board and upgrade.
I dunno.. They have their reasons I guess...

I like the source code of the maintenance page..



Did anyone notice the URL changes?
www.best-forum-software.com/maintenance.html

steven s

10-23-2009, 02:46 PM

Wonders who will be next in charge of VB. Should we say good bye to him here or should we go to a third party forum to wish him well in all his future endeavors?
Guess we need to follow twitter. You won't read about it here first.
vb.org/vb.com is just not as cool as twitter.

Reeve of shinra

10-23-2009, 02:59 PM

Wow, check it out right now!

klisis

10-23-2009, 03:02 PM

Um, is it just me ?

All I see is this.
It does say it's going to reopen soon though.

steven72555

10-23-2009, 03:03 PM

it's coming up, I think

Traxdata

10-23-2009, 03:04 PM

Wow, check it out right now!
hm. should be 4.0? doesnt look that innovative. vb3.7 is much better. just my opinion.

Mudcrutch

10-23-2009, 03:06 PM

hm. should be 4.0? doesnt look that innovative. vb3.7 is much better. just my opinion.

LOL.

Yes a bit plain. :D

Mark.B

10-23-2009, 03:08 PM

That's how it displays if the CSS doesn't load, that's all. Nothing to be concerned about.

dtommy79

10-23-2009, 03:09 PM

Maybe a new design? :)

steven s

10-23-2009, 03:09 PM

I see they renamed the forum, forum.php from index.php.

What will that do to old links?
Powered by vBulletin™ Version 4.0.0 Beta 1

gamerfu

10-23-2009, 03:09 PM

Forum went down around 6:12AM PST. I was reading License Feedback board, then I was clicking around at all the threads. Then all of a sudden, the forum redirected me to vB default board off message. When the board entered updating state.

Sarthek

10-23-2009, 03:11 PM

CSS is a little empty, don't you think :)

ywwz

10-23-2009, 03:11 PM

like the new design so much!

Michael2

10-23-2009, 03:12 PM

Well, there's some color. :)

Mudcrutch

10-23-2009, 03:12 PM

It's up! Still closed though.

ywwz

10-23-2009, 03:13 PM

it's　here！
excited!!!

zlos

10-23-2009, 03:14 PM

Looks like somebody did not make a back up before upgrading.
Going through the code of vb.com/forum I see that somebody also did not listen to their users... All DIV id's are exactly the same as typical names - try to embed it into your own design. A BIG pain below your back.

Mudcrutch

10-23-2009, 03:14 PM

My quick impression of the menus is that it DOES seem better when actually using it vs. the screenshots. So thumbs up!

Michael2

10-23-2009, 03:15 PM

Up!

boatdesign

10-23-2009, 03:15 PM

I imagine it was a tense night for the developers, but on a positive note, I'm glad they went through this now vs. later.

ywwz

10-23-2009, 03:16 PM

when will they launch the version with CMS????
i am expecting it more than anything!!!

Mudcrutch

10-23-2009, 03:17 PM

Getting hit hard with traffic.

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forum.php

Dave-ahfb

10-23-2009, 03:18 PM

holy cow! I could install the competition in the time it takes a page to load!

boatdesign

10-23-2009, 03:18 PM

when will they launch the version with CMS????
i am expecting it more than anything!!!
Same here - the new skin looks very cool, but I'm really looking for major new features like the CMS from a major version upgrade. I imagine it will come within the next month.

ywwz

10-23-2009, 03:22 PM

More than 1200 users online now in sudden!!! VBB is awesome!

zlos

10-23-2009, 03:49 PM

More than 1200 users online now in sudden!!! VBB is awesome!

Mine 3.8.4. has 9000 online users now, with 3500 logged in.

If 4.0.0 is dead with 1200 online... phew!

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The Jelsoft site you are requesting is currently unavailable.
Please check back shortly.

Mudcrutch

10-23-2009, 03:51 PM

Dave-ahfb

10-23-2009, 03:56 PM

that record is broke, meaning it just does not work. I saw it with only 23 people online, hit refresh on the main page a few times ...the speeds were identical to the current.

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Fatal error: Memcache is not installed in [path]/includes/class_datastore.php on line 183

As the confidence dwindles

zlos

10-23-2009, 04:02 PM

I feel like a broken record... but nobody has the new site cached yet. (css, etc.) So EVERYone is downloading it on pageload.

Their load right now is higher than yours.

It will speed up over the next few hours.

I am using different nginX server to spit all graphics, js files and css files out. They're not. And it hits the production machine with jumping load. Simple rule to follow: split to spit ;)

Least but not last: none browser to my knowledge will cache their "css.php" header for example...

MrEyes

10-23-2009, 04:11 PM

Well they say first impressions are the most important....

I like the navigation menu, I like it a lot... :D

Can't say much about the rest as I keep getting Site Unavailable :cool:, to be expected though - people are hammering it and nothing is cache either server or client side.

You know what bugs me the most though, the new "default" skin is remarkably similar to the custom skin I use now in 3.8. My members will kill me if I change it so I am doomed to being labelled as a lazy admin that couldn't be bothered to change the style. :rolleyes:

051119

10-23-2009, 04:11 PM

It's up, but VERY slow for me.

I'm now getting the following message

Site currently unavailable

The Jelsoft site you are requesting is currently unavailable.
Please check back shortly.

rgf207

10-23-2009, 04:12 PM

Getting a database error every time I attempt to view the vb forums. Anyone else?

It seems like they rushed it getting this alpha out.

steven s

10-23-2009, 04:16 PM

Getting a database error every time I attempt to view the vb forums. Anyone else?

It seems like they rushed it getting this alpha out.
It's past alpha.

Dave-ahfb

10-23-2009, 04:20 PM

It's past alpha.

In name maybe, but in reality...

I am past the point of frustration and disappoinment, I am really begining to see quite a bit of humor in this.

Mandar Salvi

10-23-2009, 04:22 PM

Getting a database error every time I attempt to view the vb forums. Anyone else?

It seems like they rushed it getting this alpha out.

Didnt you read the announcement dude ? They are working on it. Increasing memory and other stuff. Estimated downtime - 30 mins. They are also updating their homepage. Have patience buddy :)

BigDog56

10-23-2009, 04:27 PM

It keep getting cannot connect..Edit; And no, I didn't read the announcement, lol

Dave-ahfb

10-23-2009, 04:33 PM

Didnt you read the announcement dude ? They are working on it. Increasing memory and other stuff. Estimated downtime - 30 mins. They are also updating their homepage. Have patience buddy :)

They have to install more memory with the new software they installed....there is a confidence builder lmfao!

This is looking worse by the minute

john1744

10-23-2009, 04:33 PM

Yeah I'm not sure why they didn't just copy the site, do the upgrade behind the scenes then swap out the two when they knew it was working right.

Isn't how their own staff server expert tells how to do it?

Dave-ahfb

10-23-2009, 04:40 PM

Never put your butt in the air and your head in the sand, you may find yourself with a pink slip ;)

Bounce

10-23-2009, 04:45 PM

Your enthusiasm is overwhelming - back in a bit!
vBulletin Community Forum

Some folks enthusiasm for buying it will be getting low :eek::D

Never know maybe there also updating it to Version 4.0.0 Beta 2

rgf207

10-23-2009, 04:52 PM

Didnt you read the announcement dude ? They are working on it. Increasing memory and other stuff. Estimated downtime - 30 mins. They are also updating their homepage. Have patience buddy :)

Of course I know what's going on. It doesn't change the fact that they rushed this. It's still in alpha even though it says "beta" and they rushed the release since they obviously could not handle the traffic.

Patience stops after a few hours of downtime. It's going on 36 hours. It's not very professional. As I said in a previous post. I'm an I.T. Admin. Had one of my upgrades turned into a 36 hour downtime, I would have been fired.

Floris

10-23-2009, 04:58 PM

it's up again.
oh it's closed now.
I am sure it will be up again soon.

choccyclaire

10-23-2009, 05:03 PM

They aren't installing more memory coz of the forum software. :rolleyes: They are installing more memory coz of the increased traffic now.

Elenna

10-23-2009, 05:03 PM

Can't wait, myself. :) I sympathisze with their technical troubles, and hope that they are learning a few things that will help with the appropriate upgrade scripts and documentation.

zlos

10-23-2009, 05:05 PM

I was waiting over an hour to write it on vb.com:

Quite a lot of things require a makeover.

- class/div naming will make your life horror when embedding forum into your existing site (is it REALLY so difficult to name all vb-css classes with vb_ at the beginning?)

- speed (as we see not astonishing)

- css instructions hidden after css.php file

- ugly menu

- white message boxes on white background with lightblue links make it looks light but it reads not so... I need a microscope!

- SEO with Archive? Don't you know doubling content get penalties from search engines?

- IE 7 & 8 incompatibility (I think yuiloader got crazy a bit)

- load hits / memory hungry / res eating program? Is the time of 18MB of RAM for php a past? How much now? Do I need to worry?

I don't see something really worth (user-side) to jump on vb4, quite a lot of problems for admins and possible costs for owners. Am I wrong?

My opinion: wait a while. A month. A year? The poll results: 20% only like vb4. It is the disaster, Jelsoft Gentlemen, every's project manager nightmare...

Not to forget to mention: I am a very happy owner of 3.8.4, run upto 10.000 users online and use globals.php for a lots of my own developed software.

And I know by my own experience, that sometimes the better is big enemy of the excellent.

Conclusion: DO something. Please!

Skierpetros

10-23-2009, 05:06 PM

I am seriously thinking not upgrading and keeping the vbulletin 3.8.4 ... if the new vbulletin 4.0.0 don't impress me ... i would not renew my license...

boatdesign

10-23-2009, 05:10 PM

I expect they'll be doing major performance tuning throughout the betas, so I'm not too alarmed about them having to increase memory at this early point.

In the end, I'm hoping and expecting that 4.0 will be more efficient than 3.x.

I assume that was the whole point of a major rewrite vs. just releasing new skin and features as 3.9 without the need to redo all mods, etc.

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I am seriously thinking not upgrading and keeping the vbulletin 3.8.4 ... if the new vbulletin 4.0.0 don't impress me ... i would not renew my license...When I saw the forum still down this morning, I had similar thoughts. But wait and see how it goes. It's early for 4.0 and I'm glad they're working through the bugs and giving it a real-world spin. The bumps in the road now may be a good thing long-term.

Speysider

10-23-2009, 05:15 PM

Will we still be able to get older vB versions when we pay for the license? Or only vB4.0?

TNCclubman

10-23-2009, 05:15 PM

So vB4 is a memory hog? I thought they were making it more efficient?

Skierpetros

10-23-2009, 05:16 PM

its open now...

JVCode

10-23-2009, 05:17 PM

EidolonAH

10-23-2009, 05:18 PM

I think they are working really hard to meet us half way with our demands to see v4 before the pre-sale ends, I for one really appreciate their efforts.

bairy

10-23-2009, 05:18 PM

The problem is, there isn't really any alternatives...

I'm not so sure about IPB; and all the free ones are horrible...
Sure there are, it just depends what you need and how much you're willing to customise.

The free ones aren't as well featured as vB, true, but then vB has a lot of features that a lot of users simply don't need.

I'm willing to bet that if everyone who owned a license looked at what features they need/will ever use, a fair few would realise a free alternative has just the stuff they need.
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From what I saw of vb4 when it was up, the design isn't any better or worse than the default vb3 design, not keen on the tiny menus though. And I looked in on edit options which is a horrible horrible page.

Coupled with the "buy it now, but you can't see it yet" they aren't coming out of this looking professional. But we are still in beta so maybe they'll produce some magic in the coming weeks.

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I think they are working really hard to meet us half way with our demands to see v4 before the pre-sale ends, I for one really appreciate their efforts.

That is what they are doing, but they played silly buggers with this pricing "strategy". They shoulda waited until they had something to show at least.