What ever happened to the smiley implementation?

[Shelley_c]

It's been (i'd say) over a month to go through these questionable stages of smilies being integrated to the board. Personally, I would have had them designed and up in 24 hours but that is because I'm efficient. I noticed you said marco something happening last week which was last week and now it's this week.

Just curious on how this stage of events with regards to the smilies are coming along? have they been picked? or is it still at the discussion stage? Anyway, thought I'd ask and see how the smiliey implementation is coming along and also to ask how many more stages are you going through before we see our new friends.

[Paul M]

The suggestions phase has closed, atm we are discussing which ones we want.

[nexialys]

will be complicated to have a choice of 20 when there was 21 submited... debates are to be for a month or so...

[Shelley_c]

You say 20 like you know how many are being implemented. Or, was that an example for the intellectually challenged? the intellectually challenged being "me".

Smiley count is irrelevant if the smilies are not going to be smilies designed from scratch. If your telling me they are being designed from scratch and are vbulletin exclusive smilies then that is a different story.

[nexialys]

Oh i was not challenging you Shelley... but yeah, will be a great challenge if they require a exclusive custom set...

[Marco van Herwaarden]

I expect that the 2nd stage will be posted tomorrow.

[Shelley_c]

Paul said it's in discussion whilst you as in "I expect" give the impression that your running the show alone and it's not a collaborative effort at all. What is it? are the stages happening simply when you have the time or is the implementation of the smilies going to happen sooner rather than eventually.

If it's actually just you picking a choosing the ready made custom smilies (which I expect that they are) what's actually holding you up? 1 month on and your still going through stages when infact you already know what the members want so it should be as easy as A B C.

Eitherway, it's being pro-longed for some reason or another but judging by the length of time could the smilies actually be custom made for vbulletin.org?

[Marco van Herwaarden]

It will be posted once i have the time to complete the announcement.

[Lizard King]

They will be added whenever admins have time

[Shelley_c]

It will be posted once i have the time to complete the announcement.

Okay Marco.

They will be added whenever admins have time

If your replying to me mert at least tell me something I don't know, and try not to fall into the backseat moderating your not staff here. Last time I checked you don't have a coloured username nor have you stepped up to volunteer status. Marco has is own mind, allow him to answer the simple question for himself.

On a side note, The smilies must be damn good look forward to the announcement.

[Lizard King]

Probably you get me wrong Shelley :) I totally vote a full change for all vB.org staff , i stopped contributing to vb.org because of current staff's huge attitude problem. Thats why if they do something wrong , i came here and judge.

Marco is paid via Jelsoft and he should have no time excuse at all. If you are getting paid , you need to do the job you are hired for. But thats not my problem , its actually Jelsofts problem.

[Shelley_c]

Well, I'm not going to stop contributing. If other people just simply want to quit that is their privilege. The integration of the smilies is a step forward (give the forum more character). Yeah yeah, I know it's smilies but either way I'd like to see them soon without the pro-long stages.

Heck, with all these stages I thought it was part of the movie "deathrace" Stage 1 (deep voice) we are discussing smiley's. Stage two subscribe to the suggesting of the smilies. Just getting the feeling it will be yet another talked about implementation when it doesn't need to be.

If smilies are hard to find I would have thought smilies created by the community for the community would have been the right path to take. Take full advantage of the talent here instead of a 3rd party site but that's another story which I don't intend to debate on purely for the fact that we settle for a 3rd part creation unless the pro-longed reason is because the smilies about to be implemented are custom made for this site which would partially explain why it's took this long.

Regardless of that. That's my last comment in this thread my question was partially answered.

[King Kovifor]

Well, I'm not going to stop contributing. If other people just simply want to quit that is their privilege. The integration of the smilies is a step forward (give the forum more character). Yeah yeah, I know it's smilies but either way I'd like to see them soon without the pro-long stages.

Heck, with all these stages I thought it was part of the movie "deathrace" Stage 1 (deep voice) we are discussing smiley's. Stage two subscribe to the suggesting of the smilies. Just getting the feeling it will be yet another talked about implementation when it doesn't need to be.

If smilies are hard to find I would have thought smilies created by the community for the community would have been the right path to take. Take full advantage of the talent here instead of a 3rd party site but that's another story which I don't intend to debate on purely for the fact that we settle for a 3rd part creation unless the pro-longed reason is because the smilies about to be implemented are custom made for this site which would partially explain why it's took this long.

Regardless of that. That's my last comment in this thread my question was partially answered.

This comment just shows that you have no insight what so ever into what the staff was doing in the process of these graphics. Wait for the announcement, it's coming.

[Paul M]

Eitherway, it's being pro-longed for some reason or another but judging by the length of time could the smilies actually be custom made for vbulletin.org?
Thats right - its been deliberately prolonged, in fact its been specially drawn out just to see how long it would take for certain members to come up with some conspiricy about it being prolonged. ;)

Of course, it could just be that all the staff have lives outside of vb.org, so we havent got round to the next step yet, but the truth is just so much more boring. :erm:

Marco is paid via Jelsoft and he should have no time excuse at all. If you are getting paid , you need to do the job you are hired for. But thats not my problem , its actually Jelsofts problem.
Marco is not paid to work on vb.org, no one is - just another myth that keeps the paranoid happy, but hey, theres that boring old truth again .... :cool:

[Guest210212002]

Probably you get me wrong Shelley :) I totally vote a full change for all vB.org staff, i stopped contributing to vb.org because of current staff's huge attitude problem. Thats why if they do something wrong , i came here and judge.


Honestly I don't come around much anymore for the same reason. This thread is a perfect example. They're smilies, for crying out loud.

Of course, it could just be that all the staff have lives outside of vb.org, so we havent got round to the next step yet, but the truth is just so much more boring.

Then perhaps it's best that Jelsoft add some new staff members who have time to take care of the site that their paying customers have such a vested interest into. If the current staff doesn't have the time to take on a task as simple as adding some smilies, it would clearly be in their best interest to keep their customers happy by installing a new support team that has the time to put into a site as busy, and essential to their product's popularity, as the one that drives it's modding community.

There's no doubt that a decent amount of vb's success is largely due to this site and the modifications that the designers and coders that make up this site take the time to share.

[King Kovifor]

Again, these comments just show a lack of true understanding of what goes on behind the scene at vBulletin.org. Being staff just doesn't involve going around catering to the members every whim, it involves quite a bit of behind the scenes work. Reported posts, code checking (exploits, copyright, etc.), and regular moderating duties all in addition to our lives, supporting or creating our contributions, and on various other things that include lots. Oh yeah, most of us have our own sites too, shouldn't we take care of them, or is this site more important than any personal site I paid to create? This type of complaining is based on what you see, with no understanding of what Paul said or what we do. So don't jump to conclusions and please (for the live of everything!) listen to Paul and wait for the announcement. Marco already said it will be soon!

[Guest210212002]

This type of complaining is based on what you see, with no understanding of what Paul said or what we do

This would be true if you weren't talking to a community made up of forum administrators, many of us with sites bigger, and busier, than this one. It's the smug "You don't know what goes on" comments that come across as snottish. We do know. We run forums as well, remember?

When you guys (not you, KK, but Paul and Marco in particular) address us with the same degree of respect that you expect us to address you with, things will get better. Disregarding the majority of inquiries as complaining and whining doesn't establish any camaraderie between the staff and the members - it's quite the opposite. Nobody appreciates a dismissive, uppity forum admin. Especially not other forum admins.

You're talking about smilies. SMILIES. I design weapons systems for the military for a living. I'm busy too. I add smilies. They're freakin' smilies. You have to laugh at how ridiculous it sounds when you come out with "you have to wait for the announcement that announces that we have discussed in depth the addition of said smilies, and will proceed to Smiley Spiral II, which is the commencement for the follow-up presentation of the smiley discussion previously discussed in Smiley Spiral I, ultimately ending in execution of MainEx for Smiley Installation 09-3." ;)

This type of thing is supposed to be fun. You don't always need to approach things with the seriousness of a tax auditor.

[King Kovifor]

With the way some people (not saying you) act, I can't figure out how they run forums. And if it came off snottish, sorry, but vBulletin.org has that "we paid" aspect that just adds a PITA. But really, when people think the staff is just sitting around, there's a lot going on. For example, the graphics tab: the public so "no action" but there was a rather lengthy discussion that lasted a good while on the subject!

[Guest210212002]

With the way some people (not saying you) act, I can't figure out how they run forums. And if it came off snottish, sorry, but vBulletin.org has that "we paid" aspect that just adds a PITA. But really, when people think the staff is just sitting around, there's a lot going on. For example, the graphics tab: the public so "no action" but there was a rather lengthy discussion that lasted a good while on the subject!

I don't even really care at this point, and I've never had a problem with you anyway bro. Honestly, you have to laugh at what a ridiculous discussion this even is in the first place. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't think you're just sitting around. I just think "hey, let's add some smilies" really didn't need to turn into such a monster discussion that requires a herculean team effort to pull off.

Hell, I spend about 1/100th of the effort in this thread deciding which type of beer to order at the pub, that's a MUCH more important decision to make. :D

[King Kovifor]

I don't drink so, not really. And there was a discussion on various aspects of stage two. ;)

[veenuisthebest]

I was just wondering if adding smilies is such a big deal that it has been divided into stages and all. Some bigger decissions in this world are faster than this. 'Board of the Month' converted into "Board of Two Months" was not a good decission, IMO.

If the current staff doesn't have the time to take on a task as simple as adding some smilies, it would clearly be in their best interest to keep their customers happy by installing a new support team that has the time to put into a site as busy, and essential to their product's popularity, as the one that drives it's modding community.

Its my 1 year today since I joined vborg but did not see any elections kind of thing. If this is a community run by volunteers than I think new deserving people should get a chance.

Handling things at this level is surely not as easy as it seems, and a lot of behind the scenes discussion have to happen. I think the current staff is good enough, but if there are others who think can handle this better and can give enough time, so +1.

[nexialys]

Reported posts, code checking (exploits, copyright, etc.), and regular moderating duties all in addition to our lives

ok, first, sorry for the post reports, i will calm myself and stop reporting posts, so you will have a rest...

and for code checking, sorry there too, but it's not in your task list (i don't care if Paul bring up the "you do not know if it is" argument)... it was obvious by many discussions with the admins that nobody in the staff had the time to check any release to see if there was exploits or copyright infrigements... strangely you are telling us the opposite of what Marco and Princeton are always giving as argument to not install a real trader engine... or i suppose you're talking about some other site?!

the only viable argument is "real life"... i don't like when people stress over because it takes time... everybody here have lives, kids, parents, friends, jobs... having one or two hours per day on this site is enough to make anybody crazy, so it's good to have a life!

[Lynne]

and for code checking, sorry there too, but it's not in your task list (i don't care if Paul bring up the "you do not know if it is" argument)... it was obvious by many discussions with the admins that nobody in the staff had the time to check any release to see if there was exploits or copyright infrigements... strangely you are telling us the opposite of what Marco and Princeton are always giving as argument to not install a real trader engine... or i suppose you're talking about some other site?!
When we get a report that there is a security problem with a modification, it is up to us to work with the author to 'fix' the problem. We don't go looking for them, that is true, but if it is brought to our attention, then we need to check the code along with the author for problems and make sure they get fixed before the mod is back to being available for the users to download. That is what Jeremy is talking about.



And yes, my site is up today, thank you for asking. ;)

[Guest210212002]

I'd vote for you for president, Lynne. <3

[Shelley_c]

Thats right - its been deliberately prolonged, in fact its been specially drawn out just to see how long it would take for certain members to come up with some conspiricy about it being prolonged. ;)

Of course, it could just be that all the staff have lives outside of vb.org, so we havent got round to the next step yet, but the truth is just so much more boring. :erm:

Thanks for the reply paul. I'm looking forward in seeing the creations and I'm sure they are wonderfull and well worth the wait. Thanks for your time in making the reply and look forward for the upcoming announcement. :)

[nexialys]

Thats right - its been deliberately prolonged, in fact its been specially drawn out just to see how long it would take for certain members to come up with some conspiricy about it being prolonged. ;)

I knew it... all of that conspiracy is true... party breaker... tsssss

[King Kovifor]

Thanks for the reply paul. I'm looking forward in seeing the creations and I'm sure they are wonderfull and well worth the wait. Thanks for your time in making the reply and look forward for the upcoming announcement. :)

You'll be thoroughly surprised. ;)

[Paul M]

I'm looking forward in seeing the creations and I'm sure they are wonderfull and well worth the wait.
Im thinking maybe you havent quite understood some part of this, we are not creating any smilies, we will be asking members to submit them.

[Shelley_c]

You'll be thoroughly surprised. ;)

Im thinking maybe you havent quite understood some part of this, we are not creating any smilies, we will be asking members to submit them.

I know. :) They are still creations created by someone.

If your accepting smilies from members wouldn't you be accepting sets that aren't in theme with one another? I ask because not so long ago the volunteers stated on numerous occaisons that they wanted to keep the smilies in theme and consistent with one another with regards to design.

Or maybe your accepting full set submissions from members? in which case this would explain keeping the consistency you and others stated a while back. Either way, from KK comment I wasn't quite sure why he said I would be surprised when he doesn't know himself what kind of sets the members will submit unless you've already made your mind up on a shortlist of people your accepting from.

Eitherway, there just seemed a conflict in what KK said and what you just said and I tend to believe in what you say being in the administration team and actually know what's going on.

Anyway. Thanks again paul. :)

[King Kovifor]

I know. :) They are still creations created by someone.

If your accepting smilies from members wouldn't you be accepting sets that aren't in theme with one another? I ask because not so long ago the volunteers stated on numerous occaisons that they wanted to keep the smilies in theme and consistent with one another with regards to design.

Or maybe your accepting full set submissions from members? in which case this would explain keeping the consistency you and others stated a while back. Either way, from KK comment I wasn't quite sure why he said I would be surprised when he doesn't know himself what kind of sets the members will submit unless you've already made your mind up on a shortlist of people your accepting from.

Eitherway, there just seemed a conflict in what KK said and what you just said and I tend to believe in what you say being in the administration team and actually know what's going on.

Anyway. Thanks again paul. :)

I guess I missed the sentence in the thread (or you did) that mentioned members making it. So I was going to say you'll be thoroughly surprised by what "we" come up with because the members would be making them. That's where my comment was coming from. And it is going to be 1 complete set for consistency, I believe.

[Shelley_c]

Nice. Thanks for clearing that up. I know, I'm impatient so thanks again and good call. :up:

[Paul M]

Actually, its likely a choice will be offered - members can either submit a complete new set (so replacing the current ones as well), or just submit the new smilies we have chosen (keeping the existing).

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Part 2 posted: vB.org Smilie additions: Part 2 - Design contest (https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=208307)

Closing this thread as original question is answered.