PSD Attachment Same suggestion as last time.

[Shelley_c]

Okay, I'm trying for this suggestion to pass without any issues. Is there anychance that the admins will allow the uploading of .psd attachments in the graphic database? There's no sense in me archiving 1 sliced psd file. And, posting as an attachment users will be able to click on the attachment and have it directly loaded into photoshop with having to save to disk.

It just makes the whole process quick upon clicking.

[nexialys]

personally, i prefer the zipped... no offense Shelley, but having it loading photoshop just to upload it, not fun. btw, i thought you were not providing .psd files with your packs ?! it's something new?

[Shelley_c]

I've provided quite a few sliced PSDs on here. I am about to post another but would like the option to post the psd only, rather than archive it.

You will have a choice, you can either save the psd file to your hardrive or open it directly into photoshop or any other .psd compliant editor. I just never mentioned that people would have that choice.

[nexialys]

actually i know about "Save Attachment As"... but many are not aware of that... ;)

it's a 30 seconds addition to the Attachment Types in the AdminCP anyway, it's not like the guys have to code something...

[Magnumutz]

actually i know about "Save Attachment As"... but many are not aware of that... ;)

it's a 30 seconds addition to the Attachment Types in the AdminCP anyway, it's not like the guys have to code something...
IF we take it like that, not many should own a forum if they can't figure out such a simple task.

I don't see how this suggestion could harm anyone.

[Dean C]

Agree with Shelley on this one :) I find it so irritating extracting zip files that have just one file in them. I can only see one benefit of having 1 file inside a zip, and that's compression.

[Paul M]

it's a 30 seconds addition to the Attachment Types in the AdminCP anyway, it's not like the guys have to code something...
Which just goes to show you dont know anything about how vb.org works. We do have code that is related to file extensions.

[nexialys]

ok so you tell us that the attachments are not driven by the default engine?!

what is "Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.12" then ?!

[Shelley_c]

Are we allowed to have .psd attachments then?

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Staff is still discussing this, we will let you know once we have come to a decission.

[Shelley_c]

Marco, This is a graphic area, We need the PSD attachments allowed it only makes sense. I'm not buying into this whole "staff discussion thing". I'm simply askin for a simple 10 second trip to the admincp to allow psd attachments that most designers use as their source file when released here.

For once, Let bygones be bygones and just allow it. I don't see why it's such a problem, we as contributors put a lot of time into the graphic area so atleast allow us to work with the system instead of fighting against it.

Staff discussions are lengthy, I'm ready to release my submissions now not when staff are bothered to discuss this over 1 measly attachment file privilege to be allowed what should pass within a dedicated graphic area.

Just do the right thing and jump in the admincp and allow it, do it off your own back and use discretion on this one.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

It is not as simple as you descibe it. And yes it does need staff discussion, and yes that might take longer then a single day.

[Paul M]

Marco, This is a graphic area, We need the PSD attachments allowed it only makes sense. I'm not buying into this whole "staff discussion thing". I'm simply askin for a simple 10 second trip to the admincp to allow psd attachments that most designers use as their source file when released here.

For once, Let bygones be bygones and just allow it. I don't see why it's such a problem, we as contributors put a lot of time into the graphic area so atleast allow us to work with the system instead of fighting against it.

Staff discussions are lengthy, I'm ready to release my submissions now not when staff are bothered to discuss this over 1 measly attachment file privilege to be allowed what should pass within a dedicated graphic area.

Just do the right thing and jump in the admincp and allow it, do it off your own back and use discretion on this one.

We will discuss it, not be pressured by you.

When will you learn that posts like this simply harm you case as we lose interest fast.

[Shelley_c]

why bother replying to me? Why not simply just discuss it amongst staff. And let me point you to something. When have any of my suggestions ever been unsound? You'll be hard pushed to find even one. I make suggestions for the good of the area I show my dedication too and I also make suggestions to benefit the whole area. Am I pressuring you to make a decision? or asking that you use an ounce of common sense and discretion for something that is beneficial to us all.

the coders have the luxury of uploading xml files which is the vbulletin standard, I'm asking for the graphic standard in return. Don't make it personal, I'm simply asking for a little ounce of discretion shown here whether no matter how much it pains you to implement the suggestions i make.

I'd like this one to pass without the whole politics and usual outcome. I'm sure many of the graphic submitters would also. You have to start thinking of each area separately instead of collectivly because they are all different and require different features and such.

[Paul M]

Equally, why did you bother replying ? You could simply have waited for the answer.

JFYI, some of the points being discussed ;

XML files are not very large, psd files have the potential to be quite large, we dont want massive attachments.

psd files also need the end user to have the necessary software to open them, how many visitors to vb.org have such software ?

An (addmittedly) small change to our custom code will be needed as some functionality is based on file extensions.

[Shelley_c]

OKay that is fair enough paul, point taken. I replied because I need to get my point across.

Okay, sizes could be a problem, but I'll now point you to the styles area. Some of the zips are tremndous sizes, that argument would be valid if infact you had zips that were not so large in the styles submissions. I make this point because I don't think the staff who are no savy in graphics and graphic optimization can bring certain arguments to the plate, in the staff area. So, instead I'll make the point and bring it to you myself.

Have a limit on .psds? There's no harm in that and i wouldn't expect you to have extremely large files hosted here. This kind of debate can we worked out with the members instead of behind closed doors.

Secondly, Yes, not everyone has graphic editors but then noone has graphic editors to make any alterations to the styles and graphics submitted here. It's why we click that support button and help those without editors and such. And, because photoshop is the industry standard in it's area I'm betting 90% of editors support layered psds importing.

edit: Also, there are free graphic editors that allow psds for users to make alterations to the psds. Heck, if nobody had that option nooone would be submitting psds in styles archived here.

These are the points I bring to you that your staff cannot/will not or just unable too.

[Magnumutz]

psd files also need the end user to have the necessary software to open them, how many visitors to vb.org have such software ?
Then why bother downloading if they don't have photoshop?
It's not like we've got 12 year olds surfing.

[Shelley_c]

Then why bother downloading if they don't have photoshop?
It's not like we've got 12 year olds surfing.

That's exactly what I stated in the post above yours(I'm agreeing with you btw) . If the comment made is "not everyone has photoshop" then psds shouldn't be included within the styles submitted here. That's not the case nor an acceptable argument for not allowing PSDS. Even, if, the person didn't have photoshop then there are Free alternatives that allow psds to be imported into software. Secondly, it's the reason why I step in and try to press for this to be passed, the argument given is given by paul (no offense) but it shows your not graphic savy which is why members should be involved in giving their suggestions as well as their points in why certain implementations should be made because it shows that the argument against psds attachments not welcomed is not a strong one.

It's not about pressuring you, it's about having the right information at your feet and making a correct decision instead of stamping on a suggestion that is obviously beneficial. And to point out again, we have a support button that allows members to request for alterations if they are unable to make an altyeration via the psd. This is the only reason why a member will not use a psd is if they are not savy enough to do it and members here are all too happy to support them.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Thank you for your concerns, but we do have the expertise needed to make a balanced decission within our staff. If we would need advise on an area for which we do not have the expertise in our staff, we will consult people with more knowledge on the topic at hand.

[Paul M]

It's not like we've got 12 year olds surfing.
I think you will find we have 12 year olds, and even younger, running forums and visiting here.

[Lizard King]

I think you will find we have 12 year olds, and even younger, running forums and visiting here.
Wow Paul i never knew you are that young

[Paul M]

I wish :)

[nexialys]

i thought he was pointing at Mina... hum, will have to check my monitor to see why the finger is crossed...

[Magnumutz]

I think you will find we have 12 year olds, and even younger, running forums and visiting here.
Okay, that wasn't the best argument...


Anyways, why not make it the best place for developers to release their stuff here?
The Graphics area has less activity, we gotta admit that!

If PSD's are to get attached, i'll only download those... it's way easier to have only 1 file for a whole set of statusicons or rank bars, etc.

[Rene Kriest]

Anyways, why not make it the best place for developers to release their stuff here?
Ok then maybe we should go back to the drawing board and create some useful stuff instead of flaming... ;)

[Dean C]

If PSD's are to get attached, i'll only download those... it's way easier to have only 1 file for a whole set of statusicons or rank bars, etc.

I wouldn't download your icons if you put them on a .PSD and it required me to hide/unhide layers and manually save all my images as png/jpg/gif. The more and more I think about this, the more I think it's not really that great an idea. Why would anyone post a graphic that was just one PSD? The user can't do anything with it straight away, so there's no usability benefit. If it's an icon pack, you're going to zip up the icons so why not put the PSD inside anyway :)?

[Magnumutz]

Oh my god dude, you got me all wrong.
I mean that if it were for the PSD attachments to get approved, i won't download the images, i'll only download the PSDs.

[Paul M]

I mean that if it were for the PSD attachments to get approved.
Just to be clear here, anyone can attach psd files now, they just need to be zipped first.

[nexialys]

something that would be really cool in the attachment engine is to automatically compress any attached file to the best format possible, and filtered for virus... that would make the engine even safer and performant... when we download the files, they are decompressed on the fly...

[Shelley_c]

Unless some decides to zip upon zip with yet another couple of zipped archives within the file to get to the pot of gold or so to speak.

Has the committee staff came to a conclusion yet? it seems to be silent and no other staff member has voiced their opinion on the subject apart from marco and paul. So I'm assuming the buck ends with you paul seeing as your the one that is head honcho (edited the last word) enough to voice their true opinion on the subject and give a straight answer to a somewhat straight forward suggestion. Not optimistic though I'll ask regardless what the outcome is?

[nexialys]

Has the committee staff came to a conclusion yet?
LOL... Shelley, we're on week-end... myself would never ask for an answer on week-end, even if i'm prioritarized in life... lol

[Magnumutz]

Just to be clear here, anyone can attach psd files now, they just need to be zipped first.
Does everyone here get me wrong?
I know that, i was talking that IF pure PSD files, non-zipped and non-rared are to get attached, i will download those, not the images themselves.

If you want, i can draw a scheme for you.

Sorry for going berserk on you but it really got me frustrated, i wasn't trying to explain nuclear physics.

[Lynne]

I think you are missing the point Paul is making. Users already may upload a single psd file, they just need to zip it first. That is all he was saying - nothing more, nothing less. Don't read more into it than you have to.

[Shelley_c]

Just a note, the longer this thread is allowed to go down the path it's going the chances are we are going to be met with a "we aren't allowed psd attachment" in the graphic database. I for one am now refusing to archive my files, even .png/.gifs and if my psds aren't welcomed then I will just post the graphics in non source formats that the amount of attachment limit allows on the off chance only partial sets are posted.

It's sad to think that a suggestion i make, which I'll point is non aggressive is still met with the same typical negative behaviour.

We go down this path time and time again with next to no info on the outcome and told to wait while staff discuss whether it passes whilst the suggested thread goes down the path of members fustration showed (which I don't blame them) eventually leading to the closure of the topic which makes it easier for the staff to say no. A simple request/suggestion met with a long drawn out conclusion.

[Lynne]

Every suggestion in this forum is discussed by Staff - that is just the way it works here. After we have a discussion, one of the Admins makes the final decision. This usually does not happen in a manner of hours, but usually takes a couple of days. Please just be patient, especially since it is the weekend.

[Magnumutz]

Yes Lynne, i've acknowledged that. For god's sake, i know that it's not that hard to understand that... and i knew this before this thread was started... like years before.

For me at least, it would be easier to have to choose between a zip/rar with the images and a single PSD for all of those images.

Anyways, i'm trying not to read more into it.
Could you put a good word in for us? :cool:
I'm sure that Shelley would like to take advantage of the free time of the Week-end and post her stuff ASAP.

[Paul M]

Just a note, the longer this thread is allowed to go down the path it's going the chances are we are going to be met with a "we aren't allowed psd attachment" in the graphic database.
The length of time has no bearing on the result.

I for one am now refusing to archive my files, even .png/.gifs and if my psds aren't welcomed then I will just post the graphics in non source formats that the amount of attachment limit allows on the off chance only partial sets are posted.
Thats your choice, again, it will have no bearing on the answer.


When we have decided, we will post our decision. No amount of speculation/moaning/threats/insults/whatever will make the slightest difference so I suggest everyone just chill out and wait. :)

[Shelley_c]

The decision whatever it may be bares no relevance to me. :D