why no ads?

[punchbowl]

here

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Why should we?

[punchbowl]

To reward the volunteer 'staff'

[SEOvB]

If volunteer staff were reworded would they still be 'volunteer'?

[punchbowl]

Yes they would. You can be a paid volunteer. Africa is full of them.

Anyway I'm not asking for ads, I just wondered why there are none. I suppose ads could be shown only to guests or unlicensed members. Doubt there would be a shortage of people voluteering to pay for ads i.e. stylers, producers, seo specialists, maybe even vb itself could offer vb.org a finders fee for new customers. This site is the reason I've gone for vb.

[Dismounted]

Ads detract from the look of a site/forum - I personally like a site with no ads, rather than one full of ads.

[Guest210212002]

Considering that this site is a 'perk' for people who pony up the cash for a vBulletin license, I think ads would be a bit out of place.

[punchbowl]

Considering that this site is a 'perk' for people who pony up the cash for a vBulletin license, I think ads would be a bit out of place.

803 (151 members and 652 guests)

Doubt all the guests are licensed tbh. We'd probably never see ads if they did implement them anyway. No one likes ads but people click them.

Also aren't a lot of license holders also product/style developers? Would ads not help them? What if you got 1000 impressions of your site banner on here? Would you dislike ads so much?

Anyway...'why should we' seems to be the consensus so I'll leave it.

[SEOvB]

Even more as you'll be having people release complete and utter nonsensical modifcations or templates just for that sole purpose

[Guest210212002]

^ Yep. And we all know there are enough of those as it is. :\

[nothing4me]

Isn't this a corporate/enterprise site? Why would you want to take away all your customers/people?

[punchbowl]

hippies!:D

[Distance]

I think you just have to read the first reply to get the answer;

Why should we?


Why should they?.. Ads on websites are to create revenue, vBulletin doesn't need this, their products create enough money, why should they clog up the forums with competitors software? :)

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[Hornstar]

they should at least advertise vb.com a little more. maybe have a buy it now button somewhere, or something because they probably lose sales over at vb.com when people come here not knowing there is vb.com

[Videx]

A better question is: Why not a lot of built-in advertising options in vbulletin? People that spend the big bucks to buy it are the types that will need ads to pay for it.

[Patiala King]

I think you just have to read the first reply to get the answer;




Why should they?.. Ads on websites are to create revenue, vBulletin doesn't need this, their products create enough money, why should they clog up the forums with competitors software? :)

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EGGJACTELY!!

[SEOvB]

A better question is: Why not a lot of built-in advertising options in vbulletin? People that spend the big bucks to buy it are the types that will need ads to pay for it.

Because its a forum software, not an advertising management tool

[punchbowl]

Ads on websites are to create revenue, vBulletin doesn't need this, their products create enough money, why should they clog up the forums with competitors software?
Firstly, the thread isn't "I think vb.org should have ads for ipb everywhere." or "let's have pop-ups!"

Things that could be advertised: vb seo services, vbulletin, styles for vbulletin, modifications for vbulletin etc. Have a look at some sigs or the repetitive questions posted re "where can I get an article system"(GARS) "how do I make a front page like this"(vbadvanced). None are advertising rival products to vbulletin.

"their products create enough money" - It's a wonder anyone advertises ever! Are all the volunteer staff here millionaires who provide help just as a hobby to get away from the high finance world? Is their something wrong with money? If anyone has some extra they don't want I'll have it thank you very much.

Isn't this a corporate/enterprise site? Why would you want to take away all your customers/people?

Take them away where? To a plethora of sites that provide add-ons to your product?

Even more as you'll be having people release complete and utter nonsensical modifcations or templates just for that sole purpose

Or maybe it would reinvigorate coders who tend to start making a product then when no-one supports them financially either give up or disappear.

Because its a forum software, not an advertising management tool
Why all the ad templates?

It's forum software with advertisement management, social networking and more. Most people build their entire sites based around this software.

Maybe we'll get ads when vb.org moves to 3.7/3.8?!:eek:

Personally i think vb.com should have ads too - if only to showcase the feature-set.

Give the money to charity for all I care.

[Swampfox]

never heard someone complain about the lack of ads on a website before

some forums are just there to serve their target audience, not shove ads in their face

[Paul M]

We have no need for ads, simple as that.

[punchbowl]

never heard someone complain about the lack of ads on a website before

I didn't complain about no ads. I asked why no ads. Please don't misrepresent my point when you've obviously neither read nor understood it.

Thanks.

You'd swear I was suggesting we beat up all staff or go pay-per-post. It's funny that a commercial venture is so anti-marketing.

[Distance]

There are now two pages of reasons why vBulletin doesn't have adverts, don't you get it ?

Think about this if you owned vBulletin, in fact any site, if the business was going well and profits were up why on earth would you want to put adverts on your forums ? Users don't appreciate them, unless moderated competitor software will advertise and even if they did share the earnings with coders and staff, the amount you would receive once split wouldn't be worth the trouble.

I don't see what is funny about a well established company don't want to earn tuppence by degrading the look of the website, it's not anti-marketing, it's for the benefit of the site and it's users.

However I do agree with there being a link to the vBulletin.com website.

[Dismounted]

However I do agree with there being a link to the vBulletin.com website.
There's a few under the "Quick Links" menu. :p

[punchbowl]

There are now two pages of reasons why vBulletin doesn't have adverts, don't you get it ?

Think about this if you owned vBulletin, in fact any site, if the business was going well and profits were up why on earth would you want to put adverts on your forums ? Users don't appreciate them, unless moderated competitor software will advertise and even if they did share the earnings with coders and staff, the amount you would receive once split wouldn't be worth the trouble.

I don't see what is funny about a well established company don't want to earn tuppence by degrading the look of the website, it's not anti-marketing, it's for the benefit of the site and it's users.

However I do agree with there being a link to the vBulletin.com website.

Why do people keep on insisting that I want vbulletin to advertise competitor products? I never said that. Don't make me your straw man.

The reasons so far:

1. Why should we.
2. We don't have to.
3. People don't like them.
4. They degrade the look of the site.
5. vb.org is running a version of vb without ad templates.

Valid reasons that I accept.

The rest is propaganda. Now that I've had the last word we can lock the thread.

:D

[Paul M]

The reason is in post #20.

No reason to close this that I can see. :)

[punchbowl]

We have no need for ads*, simple as that.

*apart from sigs, links from mods etc

:eek: (only jesting!)

I'm totally cool with there being no ads and happy with the staffs answers. Less than happy at people attacking me for things I haven't said at all.

Well actually I don't care about that either. I was just interested and thank all for their contribution even if they are a bunch of hippy commies!:erm::D

[Distance]

Instead of quoting everything that people have said that you 'just wish to get your last little words in on' could you reference to a post where people are attacking you or even accusing you of saying things you haven't?

Example, post #24 where you accused me of

Insisting that I want vbulletin to advertise competitor products? I never said that. Don't make me your straw man.
Just to re-quote and 'dumb down' what I said just to make sure you're not feeling abused;

Unless moderated competitor software will advertise

This is the only sentence I found in the paragraph you quoted that I was insisting you wanted competitor ads that mentions competitor software.

Unless it's just me I recall only saying that unless the adverts were moderated, competitor software would grasp the opportunity and take ad space on the website.

The only possible way that this could even relate to you is if you own the rights to your own forum software and are offended as I am suggesting your successful company would need to advertise on such a site.

Since that's the only logical way it could be, I would like to apologize and re construct my comment so it can't offend you or any others;


It's possible that, unless moderated, competitor software could advertise on the website (with the exception of punchbowl, who has no intention of advertising or supporting advertisements on vBulletin of any competitive nature)

Happy now? :D

[deezelpope]

Ads detract from the look of a site/forum - I personally like a site with no ads, rather than one full of ads.
I concur! Cannot stand ads.:down:

[punchbowl]

why should they clog up the forums with competitors software? :)

:up:

[Hornstar]

There's a few under the "Quick Links" menu. :p lol Dismounted, that hardly gives much notice to vbulletin.com
I've been a member here for a while but still never bothered to click on quick links lol. I think a simple nice looking button advertising vb.com or a buy it now button would boost sales while keeping the site 'ad free' if it were.

[Paul M]

Generally speaking, members here have already bought vb, so they dont need anything advertising vb.com. :)

[punchbowl]

Generally speaking, members here have already bought vb, so they dont need anything advertising vb.com. :)

the blog and project tools products are selling so well that a few links from here would kill vb.com

I may have to go over to the .com boys and complain as .org is some sort of freelove fest.

Hey yeah man, chill

[Distance]

I may have to go over to the .com boys and complain as .org is some sort of freelove fest.

Yes, i'm sure the users on vBulletin.com are totally the different to the ones on vBulletin.org :rolleyes:... LOL...

[punchbowl]

"The .org TLD is mostly associated with non-profit organizations"

[Shelley_c]

Most of the content on this site is provided by the members, Not Jelsoft. That will be one of the reasons why jelsoft won't be supplying this forum with annoying ads to the hilt, thus making money off of a site, the members built the submissions they post that makes this forum worth visiting.

You may look at the site as a money making engine, and feel that jelsoft and the powers that be deserve some comission off the backbone of the members work but that's all they do is run the site nothing more, nothing less. It's the members that provide the content.

Same rule goes for the staff, and like you said, they are just that. volounteers. They joined with the intent of running and maintaining this site, not rewarding them for something they actually volounteered to do and that myself and many others do every day.

If anyone needs rewarding it will be the memberbase not the volounteers that are expected to do the task(s) that they were recruited to do.

Anyway, ads are nothing but a nuisance. It wouldn't go down well with the majority of contributors. :D

[iAnj]

It just ruins the style and look, and people just don't like them, i guess 0.9% of people click them. Not much.

[Videx]

ads are nothing but a nuisance.Then just turn them off. I wouldn't think that would be such a difficult task for a coder. Never heard of Adblock?

But on my community forums these ads are placed by local businesses and offer a small revenue stream for our nonprofit, and are a source of local information for readers. We don't allow any flashing banners. I encourage our members not to turn them off.

Again, vb really needs a built-in well implemented ad system for those that want it. For those unfamiliar with ad blockers, I suppose an option to turn them off could be added in the UserCP.

Anyway, this topic has strayed way too far. The simple question "Why doesn't vb.org have advertising? Because we don't want to." has turned into some kind of bash fest against in-your-face advertising in general.

[bluesoul]

I found a rather nice paid ad system in the form of GAB from thevbgeek.com. It's a bit intimidating at first but gives you complete control over your ad content.

[Shelley_c]

Then just turn them off. I wouldn't think that would be such a difficult task for a coder. Never heard of Adblock?

But on my community forums these ads are placed by local businesses and offer a small revenue stream for our nonprofit, and are a source of local information for readers. We don't allow any flashing banners. I encourage our members not to turn them off.

Again, vb really needs a built-in well implemented ad system for those that want it. For those unfamiliar with ad blockers, I suppose an option to turn them off could be added in the UserCP.

Anyway, this topic has strayed way too far. The simple question "Why doesn't vb.org have advertising? Because we don't want to." has turned into some kind of bash fest against in-your-face advertising in general.

Adblock may hide the ad but experience with other vbulletin resources is that ads which are surrounded by tables leaves a good bit of redundant spacing. Anyway, I have nothing against ads, they are just not the klind of thing you want here. If you even bothered reading my response you would have read that I gave a good explanation on why ads wouldn't work here, and why vbulletin should never implement ads on this forum. You quoted about 5% of my actual response.

So let me explain, Shelley = hasn't got a problem with ads. Shelley = (and i'm sure many users) would have a problem with ads being placed here. Yes they are a nuisance, and yes I know certain forums depend on them for additiional income so you see, shelley doesn't have a vendetta towards ads.

On a related note. A certain vbulletin resource forum I staffed at which was a nice thriving community was taken over by a top vbulletin seo company which placed ads to the hilt and that alone killed the community. Everyones work had gone to waste at the expense of the people who contributed by a company that really didn't need to advertise their product. And I'm not speaking about the odd ad, I'm talking about ads in every page you visited and the memberbase didn't like this one little bit. Now, the forum is dead. :)

Hopefully, I put my point and my mediocre example across a little better to you. :rolleyes:

[Brad]

Personally I have no problems with ads but I do set my ad-blocker to stun. I also block certain page elements on certain ad infested sites to take care of this issue;

Adblock may hide the ad but experience with other vbulletin resources is that ads which are surrounded by tables leaves a good bit of redundant spacing.

Back on topic; I have to agree with most of the others. This site has no need for ads and I would hate to visit one day and find them placed here.